Gran Turismo World Series (Manufacturers Cup 2025 Exhibition Season 2: 12 Mar - 22 Mar)

[Fezzik]

What are the best cars for the tomorrows Nation race? other than Supra that is

Leaderboards are full of 2018 GTRs and a few RX Visions. One or two using McLaren or Genesis. It’s looking like a two horse race.

I’m personally over a second faster than those in something else (and half a second clear of my Ferrari time). Not many on the leaderboards that I can see, I’ll likely run that as a stealth contender.

 

[Cabelmania]

My take on the race lengths is slightly different. I don’t think GT2/3 have been nerfed at all. They look like the traditional race lengths. It’s more like GT1 has been changed to endurance races.

It’s going to fundamentally change the GT1 dynamic, whilst 2 and 3 remain as they were. As a GT1 driver I’m not yet sure how I feel about it.

THIS

That's one of my main problems: all races are too long if was 6 races "Daily C + a couple of laps more" length and one endurance, I might have considered doing this season, even with my momentarily busy life schedule

But not like this: an all Scirocco Gr.4 race with a side of chicane of death sounds strangely intriguing......but not for 28 LAPS

 

[Roggers]

Well i would say i'm really disappointed with this change of format but GTWS has largely been a disappointment for a while now so i'm not surprised by this. It feels like just another short exhibition. Not happy with having to wait another month for Manufacturers though.

Can only assume this is some kind of push by PD to impress or appease sponsors.

I quite like the fact they split the series into two separate season. When manufacture starts at least I can just concentrate on that series without having to think about Nations in the middle.

FIA? FIA were at last years events to sign a new contract but they needed approval the game was in a stable position. Make me wonder if FIA need to have these set race lengths?

This whole division of GT1 from the the others does smell a little. Not all GT1 players are pushing to qualify for the word finals. Only 3 slots sucks and seems a bit insulting that they assume GT2 players etc don't want tire wear in qualifying and don't want longer races, or worse, aren't good enough for them. I don't mind the longer races, but personally when they're pushing 40 mins or more, thats too long for me. 30 mins is just about the limit of my attention span!

I am not defending PD's decision to nerf the race lengths of GT2/GT3, but I feel like they must know the rates of people finishing races and see that there are so many casuals who just give up too easily.

After thought about this dilemma a bit more deeper. For me the big issue is why do it to GT2. GT3 fine, those are mostly the newbies and if you are very experienced and still there, I don't know what to tell you 😅 So I don't mind their "junior treatment" and still give them a chance to get a feel for more serious races. But GT2, yes there are casuals who do not really care that much about racing and who barely practice, yet still have enough pace to be say B DR. But then there are the hardcore players, who take racing seriously, but still lack some pace to become A DR or higher. And players with potential to become GT1 drivers, but just aren't there yet, etc. A very mixed bunch of drivers. Why nerf their races?

I used to be B DR for a very long time in GTS almost one year I think. Then all of a sudden something clicked after a week I did lots and lots of races at Nurb 24h Daily Race C in an Aston Martin gr3. Gained lots of DR and then started to get top3-4 positions in FIA after that week, a few good dailies and got myself to A DR. Never looked back since. I can't understand why potential A DR and higher drivers in GT2 still should have to do shorter races, why should they not get the same treatment that they would meet in GT1 races? And if you're a hardcore average B DR driver you won't mind longer races either. Just doesn't make sense. Lots of GT2 drivers are potential GT1 drivers and there are hardcore players who just like racing.

I maybe wrong here, but here is what I think about the races in GT2 and 3 having less laps and softer rules:

I'm at DR A. Back in january this year my wheel broke, and I started to play in another account with the dual shock, started from DR E and went up to almost DR A with the controller. During this period I have entered some races in the the exhibtion series, when they had the same rules for all leagues. More Specifically the race in Spa that took almost 1 hour to finish, the lobby started with 16 players, 1 of them quit or disconnected during qualify, 15 started the race, but only 5 cars crossed the line at the end.

I think it's hard to please everyone, and I also don't agree with the rules being different for GT1/2/3 leagues, but I also think it's ok for it to be different, what I don't like and agree is that they give no option for you to be in a long or short race, the only determintating factor being our DR.

It is not the hardest thing in the world to get to DR A, but everyone has their priorities, someone maybe give it all to get to DR A and fail, while some other person don't really care about DR, and just want to race.

My take on the race lengths is slightly different. I don’t think GT2/3 have been nerfed at all. They look like the traditional race lengths. It’s more like GT1 has been changed to endurance races.

It’s going to fundamentally change the GT1 dynamic, whilst 2 and 3 remain as they were. As a GT1 driver I’m not yet sure how I feel about it.

As for all your comments on race length etc… I think all make valid points. After reading everyone points of views, Ive actually time to digest all the info and I’ve come to realise the race distance isn’t actually the thing that is annoying me as I originally thought. I think what annoys me more is the fact people don’t have the option to replicate the GT1 league like @st3vao says.

As for race distance I think @xxPinkyKissxx & @D_Dragline have made two valid points. Agree with @xxPinkyKissxx here and I think the perfect race distance is about 30mins, 40mins at a push. This allows a good amount of racing and if people do have a spin or tangle with another driver in theory they should be enough time to recover your race if it early at the start.
As @D_Dragline said the GT1 races have just extended into endurance races and GT2 & GT3 haven’t changed. It does look like all 6 races are of a similar time frame and not a few shorter races like previous seasons.
People saying GT2 & 3 have shorter races due to players quitting, I wonder how many will quit in GT1 in these longer races? I guess the limited number slots will keep players still in the race. GT1 leagues should have more available slots for people who are unable to make the 3 slots, but I do think they should limit all users to 3 races only and in GT1 make 3 slots official points scoring rounds.

 

[MIE1992]

I admit I'm a bit disappointed that the car regulations for the Nations Cup don't really interest me. I might just stick to entering this year's iteration of the TGR Cup instead, as that looks much more fun. I especially don't mind waiting until the potential return of the FIAGTCs to enter the Nations Cup, either - and I thought they were planning to bring them back this year, too. Maybe I just misinterpreted what some article/interview said.

Like, yeah, the Nations Cup is going to feature both versions of the SF23 and a one-make with the Scirocco Gr.4, but I'd rather see something like how last year had a Gr.1 race that was specifically limited to four newer prototypes. Maybe for that Gr.1 race on this year's calendar, they could've limited things to the various Group C racers within Gr.1, or maybe even have players pick from the trio of LMP1 cars that specifically entered the 2016 LM24.

While it's also nice to see brake balance being an option - especially for the rear-heavy MR cars in Gr.3 - it still feels weird that at least one round of the exhibition series let us tinker with downforce, whereas for this year's Nations Cup, no other settings options seem to be available.

 

[Egghaus88]

I like the longer races in GT1, but not a fan of the car selection, Gr.1/2 and SF23 are good, but the rest should be road cars/rally/one-make races. There's a whole series dedicated to Gr.3/4 but they continue to fill Nation's Cup with them. Track selection also seems a bit tired to me, only 3/7 are real world circuits.

 

[GTWolverine]

What are the best cars for the tomorrows Nation race? other than Supra that is

The '18 GT-R seems to actually be the best in terms of overall pace. Having to rev the crap out of 5th down Kemmel might be an issue if you're in GT1 with the longer race requiring extra fuel.

Please PD, Gr3 Blue Moon Bay Speedway!!

Yes please! Only if they have the oval BoP sorted though so it's not another 5-class race like the Gr.4 race was... Can you believe it's been over a year since BMB Speedway was used for ANYTHING in Sport Mode??

 

[NotSoFast_YT]

I used to really care about my DR, and managed to get to mid A tier for about a year. This involved preparing for races, putting time into qualifying and selecting combos where I was strong to either maintain or increase my DR. Over the last 6 months I’ve taken online far more casually. Often starting from the back and doing races for fun. As it is I’ve fallen to a high DRB and therefore into the GT2 category. At the same time, the races I’ve enjoyed the most have been the longer GTWS races. My new rating allows me to join a race with minimal preparation and generally get a good result.

To have the chance of participating in a longer race taken away from me because of the way I choose to enjoy the game seems arbitrary and unfair. So much so, that I briefly considered putting a bit of effort in to regain my A rating over the last few days. But that approach endorses PD’s misguided decision to split the player base in this way. As it is I’ll probably do a handful of Nations/Manu over the next month, and hope that my lack of dedication and that of the other players tells PD that they called this one wrong.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Welp, the proof will be in the pudding tomorrow when people start posting up how many people finished the race in all leagues. I’ll be curious to see the results

 

[bduddy]

Will Fraga even be competing? Seems like he'd be fairly occupied with GT300.

He's practicing with Hellzfire now so... I guess he found time. I mean, even Max Verstappen still does a lot of serious simracing.

 

[D_Dragline]

I haven’t done any practice lobbies, so I don’t know what the consensus on strat is for GT1, but my testing gives me a one-stop in the RX-V as optimal. Likely 10m14h or 14h/10m, both with a refuel. The race alone is going to be over 50 minutes.

 

[tankuroded]

Heads-up:

• Mandatory number boxes are back, just like in GT Sport days (and the current season of the GR GT Cup).
  
  
  
  
• The T&C also has a clause that a top-ranking Croatian player would receive a GT World Series t-shirt. No idea if this is a local law thing or finals location hint. (Phone photo because I am not sure if the game will allow screenshots of it - the game wouldn't let me record it last year.)
  
  

 

[Fezzik]

T&Cs also say that DR Cs should be in GT2 with the Bs. They’ve said this before and the Cs have ended up in GT3, so we’ll see if it changes this time.

Those number boxes are going to mess up all my hard work making a livery

 

[Mercia]

I don't enter Nations, so haven't really got an opinion on the races chosen for it

Why wouldn't you enter Nations?

 

[05XR8]

Wow. A 24 Lap race. Didn’t realise it was the WTC800 Spa event. Also funny how last weekend was the Hankook 12H of Spa. . It’s good track, but my last time at Spa was in Gr.4 Daily Race. Would like a different track. I’ve got an hour to make up my mind.

 

[SUPRASTAR0003]

World Series started in Oceania today. Everything was going decent until this happened.

 

[watto79]

Happy for someone to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure yesterday that the UK races times in game were 6pm, 8pm and 10pm. Logged in today and they now show 3pm, 5pm and 7pm?

 

[xxPinkyKissxx]

 

[05XR8]

Wondered why only two slots

 

[xxPinkyKissxx]

Why wouldn't you enter Nations?

Usually main reason is because I don’t like driving road cars and non GT cars etc, but also I just don’t like the way it often ends up a one car meta race if you do get Gr.3 and Gr.4 races.

Not keen on the gr.3/4 races picked for nations. Although I may be tempted into the Gr.2 race at Fuji. See how my practice lap time are looking before I commit

 

[D_Dragline]

Just finished Oceania slot 1, same race as @SUPRASTAR0003 . The race is loooong.

The Supras are still meta. My best qualy lap got ruined by someone who was cruising and looked like they were letting me past through Blanchimont and then pushed me wide for a track penalty. Ended up Q10.

The race itself was mostly pretty good. Started on Hards and some wipeouts (assisted and unassisted) saw me up to p7 pretty early. Got in a small tangle with a Corvette who was hell bent on diving and door banging. Eventually he managed to unbalance me into Les Combes and I lost 3 spots. The Corvette then started running a few other people off up ahead and I got 2 spots back.

Pit stops started around lap 8 and by the time I pitted on lap 14 I was p4. Came back out in p9 on the fresh mediums. The Rx-V handles so well on the meds and I quickly picked up 2 spots. Nabbed another one when a Supra spun at Malmedy.

With 2 laps left of this endurance test I was 6 seconds behind the Corvette in 5th and 6 seconds in front of 7th. “Just keep it straight, don’t do anything silly”.

And then the aggressive Corvette caught p4 on the Kemmel and the yellows came out as I approached Bruxelles. The Corvette was in the sand and the p4 Supra was only 2 seconds ahead with a 3 sec penalty.

The last lap was an exercise in controlling my nerves as I brought it home safe and sound for p4. About 240 pts banked.

BTw, there is definitely a matching bug for GTWS. One of (if not THE) highest ranked players in Oceania was sorted into second split and won by 40 seconds. I can’t imagine he’s happy about the points on offer. Given he’s an NPC in the game, I imagine PD will find out about it shortly…

 

[05XR8]

Going in with the AMG EVO. Might as well try the new car in a “real” event.

 

[bduddy]

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Is Hizal working for PD now?

 

[ShiftingGears]

The problem with 55 minute races is that you still have absolute mouthbreathers who will try to punt you in the last few laps for having the audacity to pass them.

 

[05XR8]

Congrats to Shifting Gears.

Now, this some BS. I purposefully qualified on RH to be down the bottom. 13/13. I was going to cruise around. I wound up 12/13(about 4-5 seconds behind pole and 2 seconds off P11). A Genesis behind me didn’t set a time.

Race is on and I think someone went off. I was behind this black Supra that was all over the place. Lap 3, the Supra goes off. It kept going off. Some J.KnuckLe head guy. He side bumps me for a pass.

Anyway, I ran long to Lap 17. A red Supra had penalties. I didnt know where it started, but I was out of the way. The Supras were fast on the straights. I was moving over, but the Supra was getting another penalty. I was around P3 or P4. ShiftingGears was way back and catching. When the red Supra goes by, he side bumps me. So, I flashed him. Whatever.

I can see the AMG needs more fuel. I added about 8 laps with 7 to go. No fuel saving as I’m 11/13 when I exit the pits. Sitting 12/13, I’m catching the three cars ahead. Passed a BRZ and then a GT-R, when we caught that J.Knucklehead. All on worn tyres.

Was about to run out of fuel before Blanchimont. Pulled off the line as those cars went past.

Same old post race chatter.

Edit: @ShiftingGears, thought you won that.

 

[Mercia]

Started 5th in an all B/S lobby, no doubt helped by the amount of Spa runs we've had over the last few weeks in the daillies.

Quickly slipped back to 7th in race as I was just too hesitant off the start. Once settled down I was running a bit better, got up to 4th as the pole sitter seemingly fell back through the pack and caused a few wide corners and door bangers on the way, then quit out so not sure what happened to them.

Was running with the lead pack and decided to pit early as I could see we were losing ground to the cars coming up behind, came out in 5th and got taken by a couple of quick runners in the final part of the race, fair play to them. Put me in 7th and that's where I finished.

Not particularly amazing result or race but i'm unlikely to get a higher place in another go. Out to watch the footy now but may be tempted into another run later, will have to check the schedule and my blood/alcohol level once I'm back.

Have fun out there

Up the Toon!

 

[Roggers]

Welp, the proof will be in the pudding tomorrow when people start posting up how many people finished the race in all leagues. I’ll be curious to see the results

That is something I'd like to see too. If people posted at the end of there reports how many quit. Be interesting to see what the average is across the 3 leagues.

The problem with 55 minute races is that you still have absolute mouthbreathers who will try to punt you in the last few laps for having the audacity to pass them.

Imagine a game with a decent penalty system and a report system that can stop stuff like this happening.


So this a copy of the T&C and the last point they added is just a waste of time.

Forbidden Actions
　- It is forbidden for a competitor to simultaneously participate in the same Championship and Season with multiple accounts.
　- It is forbidden to participate using another person's account for PlayStation™Network.
　- It is forbidden for a competitor to intentionally support another player during a race where they are not part of the same team.
　- It is forbidden for a competitor to exploit unintended gameplay mechanics and issues found in the software in order to gain any type of advantage.
　- Unsportsmanlike conduct.

If players are found to be engaging in such forbidden activities, they will be dealt with accordingly, including but not limited to being banned from the Championships.

 

[RobertHammer]

GT2 B - I tried it with the RCZ just for fun , its not bad car

Qualified in P12 with 2.21 slow i know ha

Race went okayish not much really happened , my tactic was use the RM tyres as much as possible which i did but in 10 lap they been pretty much done so i went RH after 10 lap , i been from P12 up to P6 but of course after pit i ended up in P9

eh enough for me , at least did my objective

 

[Fezzik]

Decided to use the Ford GT LM Race - it was over a second faster for me in practice than the likes of the Supra, GTR and 458.

Euro GT2. Went out last in qualification. Managed my best lap of the week, only good for P10. Started on the hards, was really tricky on fresh tyres and full fuel. Managed to hold position for the first 4 laps as others went off. The GT is beastly in sector 1, flying up the hill - had cars in the slipstream but pulled away easily.

Pitted lap 4 as some traffic approached. Came out P14 on the mediums and had fun working my way back through the midfield. Managed to hold off an AMG in a nice clean battle over the final two laps. Finished P8 for 59 points, my best for a while.

A lot less tyre wear than I was expecting based on my practice race. The leaders went 10 laps on the mediums, I could probably have done the same and pitted lap 2.

 

[ShiftingGears]

　- Unsportsmanlike conduct.

If players are found to be engaging in such forbidden activities, they will be dealt with accordingly, including but not limited to being banned from the Championships.

Yeah it was ridiculous. Literally parked it on the apex, if you went around the outside you'd get run off track. If you made a move stick, he'd accelerate and hit you wide at the next corner. The only way I could've avoided that is by just plowing into him at the bus stop.

 

[benjoi84]

Happy for someone to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure yesterday that the UK races times in game were 6pm, 8pm and 10pm. Logged in today and they now show 3pm, 5pm and 7pm?

Yeah they changed them. There goes my 11pm slot I was silly enough to get excited about.