Gran Turismo World Series (Manufacturers Cup Exhibition Season: Feb 5 - Feb 15)

[peniu]

Finally got around to record a couple of clips from the GTWS this season to share here.

First of all - during the last Nations Cup round in season 3 I learned what is the difference between 4 and 5 second penalties in the GT7.

I got a 5 s penalty for the offense below (I am in the Mclaren). I was fully expecting RCZ to become ghosted and did not really have other ways to go with the lap 1 crowd breathing right into my neck. Of course the Porsche that made the initial bump into RCZ did not get anything.


I spent rest of the race catching back up and by the last lap I was in the P11. What would be the 4 s penalty for you might ask? Well, I've got just the clip for you. Intentional, rage induced (I guess, as Mazda just went outside track limits there) punt from miles back resulting in engine damage with heavy damage on. Thanks for wasting me 40 minutes I guess.


Fortunately I did manage to score a decent result with P4 in the next race. Ended Nations as 9th in Poland and 229th in EMEA in GT1.

Manufacturers - for the first time I decided to go with FR car, after using Alfa and Mclaren in previous seasons to try and learn different behaviours. As I had plenty of practice in Lexus RC F from Bathurst daily race, I decided to go with it.

Skipped first two round as I did not have time so needed decent results on both Bathurst and Nurbugring.

Bathurst again showcased how important the practice is - qualified P1 and after leading almost all race won for 266 points. The only time I was not in the lead was quite funny - Mazda behind saved more fuel and we left the pit inside each other. I went to the outside for T2 as I was worried this would end up in a crash if one of us unghosted while braking in the same line. Thankfully was able to capitalize on his mistake a lap later to get the lead back.


Nurburgring was very back and forth - I botched the quali, as I thought it was going to rain but it was bone dry - P14 on IMs. I started gaining back from the start and was in P4 already on lap 2 entering the Nordschleife section. Fellow Lexus driver, Bonnieval99 did the same mistake in the quali, but seemed faster in the race so after some time I let him go through as I thought it would be safer in the long run to not have him on my back.

We both pitted after lap 3 - I took RHs, while Bonnieval decided to go IMs. Now it was his turn to point me through with an indicator. It looked like he made a bad choice until last couple sectors of last lap. I will let the clip speak for itself.


Finished the Manufacturers 18th in Lexus and 126th in EMEA in GT1.

 

[Yard_Sale]

This would be awesome for Manu:


10 round series, mix of GT4 and GT3 cars for EVERYONE. Minimum of 50 minute races for GT1. In no particular order or preference between gr.4 and gr.3 rounds




- Sardegna B reverse

- Willow springs - Big Willow (my home track besides the fictional SSRX….so I’m partial to this one. Not to mention, I can’t remember the last time it was featured in a Manu season)

- Dragon Trail seaside

- Trial Mountain

- St Croix (B or C layout)

- NBG Nords 24 hour layout (10 laps, dynamic weather, day to night transition)

- NBG GP layout (yup…double up on Nurburgring)

- Autopolis

- Fuji

- Kyoto

 

[Talon16]

This would be awesome for Manu:


- NBG Nords 24 hour layout (10 laps, dynamic weather, day to night transition)

- NBG GP layout (yup…double up on Nurburgring)

 

[bduddy]

I was half expecting a schedule announcement today, but I guess we have to wait a little longer. The exhibition series announcements have been about a week ahead of time, but I just checked and reminded myself that the last official series announcement was only 2 days before the first race! Wonder what was going on with that... Anyway, please, keep delaying, I'm still waiting for wheel repairs...

 

[tankuroded]

I was half expecting a schedule announcement today, but I guess we have to wait a little longer. The exhibition series announcements have been about a week ahead of time, but I just checked and reminded myself that the last official series announcement was only 2 days before the first race! Wonder what was going on with that... Anyway, please, keep delaying, I'm still waiting for wheel repairs...

I wonder if late schedule announcement this year may be so that they'll do it after the Ford GT LM Test Car's BoP bug is fixed first.

 

[Fezzik]

We’ve still got over 2 weeks until the season starts, so a bit early for the schedule to be released.

I’ve got my main account and one of the alternates back up to DR B / GT2, so I’m
ready to go. Can’t decide between Lambo and Chevy so I’m just going to join both. Still don’t think I can do Wednesdays so it’ll likely just be double duty on Saturday mornings. Hopefully the inevitable Nord round is midweek.

 

[Talon16]

I wish they'd announce sooner or than later so I can start overthinking my Manu pick. Will probably wuss out and go McLaren again. And practicing... yea, that too.

 

[RobertHammer]

I had a break with online racing but with the official races - i am thinking about going Renault or Audi , MR car for sure fits better for me for a B pleb controller user - only downside will be the tyre wear eh

 

[Moose78]

For this next season of GTWS races, I'm using the same strategy for picking a manufacturer that I did for the last one: choosing from the least popular ones in my country last season that I haven't already used. In GT1, there were 5 manufacturers that nobody in Canada picked last season -- Citroen, Dodge, Hyundai, Renault, and Suzuki -- so I'm looking at these.

Since no schedule has been posted for the next season, I've started testing these by replaying the races from last season with these cars in Custom Races, starting from pole against a single rival car.

I've gotten through the first two races. Here's how things are stacking up so far...

Rd.1 - Grand Valley - Highway 1:

Manufacturer	Model	Opt time	Best time	Total time	Avg time	Std Dev
Citroen	GT by Citroen Race Car (Gr.3)	1:50.568	1:50.718	18:40.340	1:52.034	0:00.892
Dodge	Viper SRT GT3-R '15	1:51.201	1:51.120	18:45.648	1:52.565	0:00.949
Hyundai	Genesis Gr.3	1:50.572	1:50.633	18:41.170	1:52.117	0:00.979
Renault	RS.0.1 GT3 '16	1:50.556	1:50.967	18:42.320	1:52.232	0:01.353
Suzuki	SUZUKI VGT (Gr.3)	1:51.393	1:51.651	18:48.383	1:52.838	0:01.736

Along with lap times from each of tests -- such as they are:

Rd.2 - Deep Forest Reverse:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Opt time	Best time	Total time	Avg time	Std Dev
Citroen	GT by Citroen Race Car (Gr.3)	13RS-9RM	1:26.959	1:27.337	32:38.212	1:29.010	0:02.821
Dodge	Viper SRT GT3-R '15	8RS-14RM	1:27.014	1:27.025	32:35.250	1:28.875	0:02.552
Hyundai	Genesis Gr.3	14RS-8RM	1:27.048	1:27.134	32:35.970	1:28.908	0:02.843
Renault	RS.0.1 GT3 '16	12RS-10RM	1:27.066	1:27.593	32:42.136	1:29.188	0:02.702
Suzuki	SUZUKI VGT (Gr.3)	14RS-8RM	1:27.098	1:27.517	32:42.927	1:29.224	0:02.901

I chose the strategy on the fly based on how the tire wear was affecting my lap times, so I'm sure they weren't optimal.

And the lap times:

So far, I'm surprised by how well the Hyundai is doing, and how poorly the Renault is.

I'm not at all surprise about the Suzuki, though. I have really been struggling to figure out how to drive that thing. I know I need to short shift, but I'm still not able to get anywhere close to matching the pace of the other cars.

 

[Nakano219]

For this next season of GTWS races, I'm using the same strategy for picking a manufacturer that I did for the last one: choosing from the least popular ones in my country last season that I haven't already used. In GT1, there were 5 manufacturers that nobody in Canada picked last season -- Citroen, Dodge, Hyundai, Renault, and Suzuki -- so I'm looking at these.

Since no schedule has been posted for the next season, I've started testing these by replaying the races from last season with these cars in Custom Races, starting from pole against a single rival car.

I've gotten through the first two races. Here's how things are stacking up so far...

Rd.1 - Grand Valley - Highway 1:

Manufacturer	Model	Opt time	Best time	Total time	Avg time	Std Dev
Citroen	GT by Citroen Race Car (Gr.3)	1:50.568	1:50.718	18:40.340	1:52.034	0:00.892
Dodge	Viper SRT GT3-R '15	1:51.201	1:51.120	18:45.648	1:52.565	0:00.949
Hyundai	Genesis Gr.3	1:50.572	1:50.633	18:41.170	1:52.117	0:00.979
Renault	RS.0.1 GT3 '16	1:50.556	1:50.967	18:42.320	1:52.232	0:01.353
Suzuki	SUZUKI VGT (Gr.3)	1:51.393	1:51.651	18:48.383	1:52.838	0:01.736

Along with lap times from each of tests -- such as they are:
View attachment 1342399

Rd.2 - Deep Forest Reverse:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Opt time	Best time	Total time	Avg time	Std Dev
Citroen	GT by Citroen Race Car (Gr.3)	13RS-9RM	1:26.959	1:27.337	32:38.212	1:29.010	0:02.821
Dodge	Viper SRT GT3-R '15	8RS-14RM	1:27.014	1:27.025	32:35.250	1:28.875	0:02.552
Hyundai	Genesis Gr.3	14RS-8RM	1:27.048	1:27.134	32:35.970	1:28.908	0:02.843
Renault	RS.0.1 GT3 '16	12RS-10RM	1:27.066	1:27.593	32:42.136	1:29.188	0:02.702
Suzuki	SUZUKI VGT (Gr.3)	14RS-8RM	1:27.098	1:27.517	32:42.927	1:29.224	0:02.901

I chose the strategy on the fly based on how the tire wear was affecting my lap times, so I'm sure they weren't optimal.

And the lap times:
View attachment 1342409

So far, I'm surprised by how well the Hyundai is doing, and how poorly the Renault is.

I'm not at all surprise about the Suzuki, though. I have really been struggling to figure out how to drive that thing. I know I need to short shift, but I'm still not able to get anywhere close to matching the pace of the other cars.

I'm surprised to see Renault in this category of "nobody in a country picked them" - I thought the RS01 had always been at least okay, even before this latest buff pushed it into the meta.

 

[OJBrit]

For this next season of GTWS races, I'm using the same strategy for picking a manufacturer that I did for the last one: choosing from the least popular ones in my country last season that I haven't already used. In GT1, there were 5 manufacturers that nobody in Canada picked last season -- Citroen, Dodge, Hyundai, Renault, and Suzuki -- so I'm looking at these.

Since no schedule has been posted for the next season, I've started testing these by replaying the races from last season with these cars in Custom Races, starting from pole against a single rival car.

I've gotten through the first two races. Here's how things are stacking up so far...

Rd.1 - Grand Valley - Highway 1:

Manufacturer	Model	Opt time	Best time	Total time	Avg time	Std Dev
Citroen	GT by Citroen Race Car (Gr.3)	1:50.568	1:50.718	18:40.340	1:52.034	0:00.892
Dodge	Viper SRT GT3-R '15	1:51.201	1:51.120	18:45.648	1:52.565	0:00.949
Hyundai	Genesis Gr.3	1:50.572	1:50.633	18:41.170	1:52.117	0:00.979
Renault	RS.0.1 GT3 '16	1:50.556	1:50.967	18:42.320	1:52.232	0:01.353
Suzuki	SUZUKI VGT (Gr.3)	1:51.393	1:51.651	18:48.383	1:52.838	0:01.736

Along with lap times from each of tests -- such as they are:
View attachment 1342399

Rd.2 - Deep Forest Reverse:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Opt time	Best time	Total time	Avg time	Std Dev
Citroen	GT by Citroen Race Car (Gr.3)	13RS-9RM	1:26.959	1:27.337	32:38.212	1:29.010	0:02.821
Dodge	Viper SRT GT3-R '15	8RS-14RM	1:27.014	1:27.025	32:35.250	1:28.875	0:02.552
Hyundai	Genesis Gr.3	14RS-8RM	1:27.048	1:27.134	32:35.970	1:28.908	0:02.843
Renault	RS.0.1 GT3 '16	12RS-10RM	1:27.066	1:27.593	32:42.136	1:29.188	0:02.702
Suzuki	SUZUKI VGT (Gr.3)	14RS-8RM	1:27.098	1:27.517	32:42.927	1:29.224	0:02.901

I chose the strategy on the fly based on how the tire wear was affecting my lap times, so I'm sure they weren't optimal.

And the lap times:
View attachment 1342409

So far, I'm surprised by how well the Hyundai is doing, and how poorly the Renault is.

I'm not at all surprise about the Suzuki, though. I have really been struggling to figure out how to drive that thing. I know I need to short shift, but I'm still not able to get anywhere close to matching the pace of the other cars.

The Hyundai got a bit of power and lost some weight. A double boost.

 

[Interemptor]

Gonna decide once I see what tracks we race on. In the end it's gonna be Lexus, Ferrari or Alfa I guess. Did AMG and Honda so far. Would like to Honda again because I love the NSX but you gotta try different things sometimes 😂

 

[bduddy]

I'm surprised to see Renault in this category of "nobody in a country picked them" - I thought the RS01 had always been at least okay, even before this latest buff pushed it into the meta.

Combination of being outside the meta, even if they were close, and being a brand that absolutely no one in North America cares about at all.

 

[OJBrit]

Got my Manu picked. Just waiting on the season to show it off.

 

[MCL1974]

Got my Manu picked. Just waiting on the season to show it off.

Curious which manufacturer you picked!! Still can not decide myself, concidering to stay with Ferrari...maybe Citroen.

 

[Talon16]

Got my Manu picked. Just waiting on the season to show it off.

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Curious which manufacturer you picked!! Still can not decide myself, concidering to stay with Ferrari...maybe Citroen.

Y'all brave deciding without seeing the combos yet. I have a short-list but am waiting it out.

 

[Fezzik]

Y'all brave deciding without seeing the combos yet. I have a short-list but am waiting it out.

Combos don’t matter, I can be slow on any track in any car.

 

[Nakano219]

One more bit of help for those undecided - this is a list of manufacturers by the drivetrains of their cars, so people who are picking something new but want to avoid, say, MR Gr.3s or FF Gr.4s can know what they're picking in advance.

I'm only listing cars you might actually use for manufacturers that could come under multiple headings - nobody is touching the FF Mégane, for instance, so Renault is only under MR/MR

FR Gr.3, FF Gr.4

• Mazda (using the Mazda3 in Gr.4)
• Suzuki
• Volkswagen (using the Beetle in Gr.3)

FR Gr.3, FR Gr.4

• Aston Martin
• BMW
• Chevrolet
• Dodge
• Ford (using the Mustang in Gr.3)
• Hyundai
• Jaguar
• Lexus
• Mercedes-AMG
• Nissan (using the Silvia in Gr.4)
• Toyota

FR Gr.3, 4WD Gr.4

• Genesis
• Mitsubishi
• Nissan (using the GT-R in Gr.4)
• Subaru

MR Gr.3, FF Gr.4

• Audi
• Peugeot

MR Gr.3, FR Gr.4

• Ford (using any Ford GT in Gr.3)

MR Gr.3, MR Gr.4

• Alfa Romeo (using the 4C in Gr.4)
• Citroën
• Ferrari
• Honda
• McLaren
• Porsche
• Renault

MR Gr.3, 4WD Gr.4

• Alfa Romeo (using the 155 in Gr.4)
• Lamborghini

 

[guitargeek]

Does anyone else feel like their performance is wildly different in these races than in the daily's? I do a lot of practice race prep for these, so maybe that's the difference, but every time I do daily's I question my abilities and DR, then I go do Manu Cup and feel like
"oh yeah, I guess I can do this."

For example, I tried 5 daily C last night... Watkins is a track I'm good at, I like group 4, I set a quali/practice time well quicker than my usual performance level (in proportion to the top time), NSX tire wear was passable. Yet still only had one decent race, and 4 bad ones (basically all my own doing, not the fault of other drivers). Yet, I get in the Manufacturer Cup, and more often than not I'm running in the top 5.

I know late night west coast USA time zone driving means thinned out pool (Randall Haywood was in my first 3 lobbies and I'm a low A, so not exactly an evenly matched lobby). But still, I wreck myself out, or miss a brake point and go off, get a silly penalty... something almost every race.

Anyway, eagerly awaiting the schedule so I can go practice and hopefully have a good season

 

[bduddy]

It's a different mindset. In GTWS races you know you have more time, you've prepared, you know it counts so you're not going to try anything dumb... I do a lot better in them, too, I barely do daily races these days to try to protect my DR because I usually lose it there lol

 

[Yard_Sale]

Dudes are generally taking a lot less risks with overtakes and line choices, as well as the big equalizer being one-shot qualifying, which generally does a good job of setting you where you should be in the grid.

For me personally, I do t put a lot of time into daily races qualifying, so I’m usually coming from somewhere near the back

 

[guitargeek]

It's a different mindset. In GTWS races you know you have more time, you've prepared, you know it counts so you're not going to try anything dumb... I do a lot better in them, too, I barely do daily races these days to try to protect my DR because I usually lose it there lol

True. I don't do much daily in and around WS seasons because I spend the time practicing and prepping, and it protects the DR as a side effect. Side note, I just realized you're in Federal Way, that's only like half an hour from where I live. Small world!

Dudes are generally taking a lot less risks with overtakes and line choices, as well as the big equalizer being one-shot qualifying, which generally does a good job of setting you where you should be in the grid.

For me personally, I do t put a lot of time into daily races qualifying, so I’m usually coming from somewhere near the back

For sure, and GT1 heavy damage may help there as well. I definitely notice T1 being a lot smoother in those races, especially the longer ones. And the one shot qualifying (in the car you intend to race)... I much prefer this model. All the FP time gaining consistency can really payoff there, as long as everyone understands to "leave a gap"!

 

[OJBrit]

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Curious which manufacturer you picked!! Still can not decide myself, concidering to stay with Ferrari...maybe Citroen.

I say picked. I randomise the process. The only clue I'll give away is that it will require a bit of testing before some of the rounds.

Y'all brave deciding without seeing the combos yet. I have a short-list but am waiting it out.

Combo shombo! I'm not going to the world tour so I don't have to match it. More power to you for doing so.
I randomise my choice otherwise I'll either be stuck not being able to pick or end up in the Jaaag everytime.

 

[Moose78]

Does anyone else feel like their performance is wildly different in these races than in the daily's? I do a lot of practice race prep for these, so maybe that's the difference, but every time I do daily's I question my abilities and DR, then I go do Manu Cup and feel like
"oh yeah, I guess I can do this."

I'm definitely in the same boat. In daily races, I tend to place in the mid-pack, while in the GTWS events, I consistently do better. I'm guessing that is down to a few things:

1. Preparation and practice - I spend quite a lot of time practicing for these races in advance. I feel like I'm better prepared for them than a lot of drivers.
2. Closer matching - Because of the limited number of GTWS slots there is a bigger pool of drivers in each one. That makes for a narrower range of DR levels in each lobby, compared to Daily Races.
3. In-race qualifying - I'm not so great at buffing my qualifying time for Daily Races, so I tend to start further back. In the GTWS events, I'm usually able to bank a decent lap, so I'm starting much closer to the front.
4. Longer races - I find my driving style is better suited to these longer races. I might not have the best pace on the track, but I can often get through the race without any serious self-inflicted wrecks. I see a lot of faster drivers pushing too hard and binning it as a result.

That's been my experience in the GT2 league, anyways. I'm not sure what to expect for this next season, now that I'm in GT1. I feel like there is a strong possibility that I might only be in GT1 for the Nations Cup and it will be back to GT2 for Manu Cup. We'll see.

 

[Interemptor]

Longer races - I find my driving style is better suited to these longer races. I might not have the best pace on the track, but I can often get through the race without any serious self-inflicted wrecks. I see a lot of faster drivers pushing too hard and binning it as a result.

Exactly the same for me. I usually need some time to really get into the race and when I'm finally in my grove the daily race are, most of the time, over.

I only really enjoyed the longer one, Suzuka 20 laps was a good example.

I hope the next season brings longer races (in GT2). I would love 10 laps Nordschleife or 30 laps Spa... or something in that direction. 😅

 

[05XR8]

I own a Toyota. I'm picking Toyota. Simples.

 

[Pfei]

I own a Toyota. I'm picking Toyota. Simples.

I own three Subarus. I'm picking Subaru. Simple. 🙂

 

[guitargeek]

I own a Ford so... gimme that super overpowered BOP mistake from the last update

If GT1 is still only Group 3, I'm considering running the RCZ. I drives well for me, and it's less common in the Americas region. But if it's 3 and 4, I'll stick to my trusty AMG or maybe try out Porsche.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Well, judging by the current vibe in the thread, maybe I should go with Ford. My Van does have the same motor as the 2018 Gr.3 Race car after all 😂

 

[Hasnain282]

Looks like we'll be getting announcements for this today
Though judging by the reactions of the Esports drivers on Twitter they're not happy with whatever format that PD have come up with