Gran Turismo World Series (Manufacturers Cup Exhibition Season: Feb 5 - Feb 15)

[Rangeraus]

Ignoring the live event and qualification discussion for now.

I enjoyed these official championships much more when there were more races in a season and more official seasons in a year. It is more enjoyable racing against drivers who put in full effort because there are prizes on the line.

Now, the official seasons only run for a bit over 2 weeks each and, as was the case last year, some top drivers can (and will) turn up for only 3 races (i.e. one week) to score enough points and that's it for an entire year.

I'm hoping there are a few more interesting events this year than there have been in the past few years.

Reposted from the other thread for reference:

Exhibition seasons are not really representative... Half of the GTWS drivers either don't compete in them, or don't compete as hard as they otherwise would in an official season, because there is nothing to win apart from Driver Rating (if they really need it) and some internet points.

As a result of there being less interest and less competition, exhibition seasons aren't really that rewarding in my opinion, which is a bit of an issue now that they run for 9-10 months a year, where in years past it used to be half of that.

 

[jimihemmy]

The official seasons should be longer than 6 rounds. I say 10 minimum.

As for having something for those of us who will not be making the finals, that is what the exhibition seasons are for although they need to be longer too. I miss the GT Sport days of 8-10 round seasons with a week or two between one ending and the next starting.

 

[xxPinkyKissxx]

6 Manu races is really really poor. Was hoping to give the official season a go again through the summer but it’s literally 2.5 weeks long and then nothing for the rest of the year!

Was it GT7 or Sport where they did the two 10 race seasons and you were locked into the same manufacturer for both? That went on for months. Was brilliant. I really miss those Sport FIA days

 

[MCL1974]

6 Manu races is really really poor. Was hoping to give the official season a go again through the summer but it’s literally 2.5 weeks long and then nothing for the rest of the year!

Was it GT7 or Sport where they did the two 10 race seasons and you were locked into the same manufacturer for both? That went on for months. Was brilliant. I really miss those Sport FIA days

GT Sport.....good times.

 

[watto79]

6 Manu races is really really poor. Was hoping to give the official season a go again through the summer but it’s literally 2.5 weeks long and then nothing for the rest of the year!

Was it GT7 or Sport where they did the two 10 race seasons and you were locked into the same manufacturer for both? That went on for months. Was brilliant. I really miss those Sport FIA days

The 2021 Season in GTSport was exactly that. 2 seasons of 10 races each taking around 2 months per season.

I really miss that. It seems to be a thing of the past though with seasons getting shorter and shorter. They may as well just do a 3 race "season" where all races count at this point.

 

[Nakano219]

A consequence of the shorter season that I just thought of that could potentially cause some controversy:

I'm pretty sure there are more than 16 drivers in EMEA that have maximum DR, which means the top lobbies should all give the same scores in each race. Rounds all giving the same points + not many rounds to differentiate drivers = a high potential to people to have the same results and thus equal scores. If there's a tie for 5th in EMEA... well, you get the picture.

 

[watto79]

A consequence of the shorter season that I just thought of that could potentially cause some controversy:

I'm pretty sure there are more than 16 drivers in EMEA that have maximum DR, which means the top lobbies should all give the same scores in each race. Rounds all giving the same points + not many rounds to differentiate drivers = a high potential to people to have the same results and thus equal scores. If there's a tie for 5th in EMEA... well, you get the picture.

They have a rule for that, and my word I'd love to see them have to enforce their final tie break rule 🤣

 

[Famine]

They have a rule for that, and my word I'd love to see them have to enforce their final tie break rule 🤣
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I started playing three days before launch

 

[Akmuq]

I booted up the game at 00:05 launch day so I'm cautiously optimistic in that tiebreak scenario.

Now all I need to do is find a couple of seconds a lap.

 

[jimihemmy]

The 2021 Season in GTSport was exactly that. 2 seasons of 10 races each taking around 2 months per season.

I really miss that. It seems to be a thing of the past though with seasons getting shorter and shorter. They may as well just do a 3 race "season" where all races count at this point.

Wasn't it two 20 races seasons (or one 10 race and 1 30 race)? It was supposed to be one 40 race season and something happened that they split it? Am I remembering that right?

 

[watto79]

Wasn't it two 20 races seasons (or one 10 race and 1 30 race)? It was supposed to be one 40 race season and something happened that they split it? Am I remembering that right?

That was way back in 2019. Nations was 40 races split over 4 stages. Manufacturers was supposed to be the same but it got delayed so was 20 races over 2 stages. I can't remember what caused the delay though.

 

[MCL1974]

Wasn't it two 20 races seasons (or one 10 race and 1 30 race)? It was supposed to be one 40 race season and something happened that they split it? Am I remembering that right?

If I remember correctly they split that season because Corona happened....ended up as 30 races but it was intended as a 40 race season

 

[jimihemmy]

That was way back in 2019. Nations was 40 races split over 4 stages. Manufacturers was supposed to be the same but it got delayed so was 20 races over 2 stages. I can't remember what caused the delay though.

If I remember correctly they split that season because Corona happened....ended up as 30 races but it was intended as a 40 race season

Geez 2019? I guess that might be right...my memory all runs together nowadays!

I still wish they would do something like that again. You really get to know your cars when you have to do more than 3-4 races in them (gr4 and gr3) in a season.

 

[MCL1974]

Geez 2019? I guess that might be right...my memory all runs together nowadays!

I still wish they would do something like that again. You really get to know your cars when you have to do more than 3-4 races in them (gr4 and gr3) in a season.

The more I think of it the more I get miffed about it. A whole Manufacturers (or Nations) season cramped into a few measly weeks with only six races. If you happen to have booked a holiday then you might miss most of it.
Got work or a social life? tough luck, you will miss most of it. How can you call this a proper season?

It is like the whole Premier League season stuffed into one Month with a game about every 3 days...and the rest of the year a few exhibition matches.

only a few days between each race, hardly any time to train or prepare. (Although likely most venues will be sprint races with hard tyres...)

Why not at least a week between each race!?

Likely I will do only a few races that I can actually attend and try to have fun with those and not care about the actual competion. That will influence which car I will use though....

 

[Talon16]

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Likely I will do only a few races that I can actually attend and try to have fun with those and not care about the actual competion. That will influence which car I will use though....

Pretty much how I treat them all. I ain't qualifying for beans anyway so not like it matters if I miss one or more...

 

[MCL1974]

Pretty much how I treat them all. I ain't qualifying for beans anyway so not like it matters if I miss one or more...

But being in a competion is supposed to be fun. And fun for all, not just the top. I remember in GTS being in competition with several other B-riders, including, amonst others, @OJBrit. And for me the best thing was that to get the points you needed you sometime had to get out of your comfort zone. F.E. I disliked riding ovals but one time needed to race at one because I needed the points and in the end had an awesome race and got the points needed.

But when PD does not provide a serious competion then people will not treat it as one. And that will influence attendence and car selection.

 

[Talon16]

But being in a competion is supposed to be fun. And fun for all, not just the top. I remember in GTS being in competition with several other B-riders, including, amonst others, @OJBrit. And for me the best thing was that to get the points you needed you sometime had to get out of your comfort zone. F.E. I disliked riding ovals but one time needed to race at one because I needed the points and in the end had an awesome race and got the points needed.

But when PD does not provide a serious competion then people will not treat it as one. And that will influence attendence and car selection.

THat's fair. I too wish the schedule was longer and better. I don't like having two races a week as it doesn't allow people with, you know, real life responsibilities like a job or family or the other million things we all have going on, to practice... if even make some of the races at all.

I guess I've just unwittingly lowered my expectations as a pseudo-defense mechanism with this game and PD's decisions. That being said I never played GT-Sp online so GT7 is all I know. Heck, I didn't even participate in the first few WS events in GT7.

So, the way I approach these is basically a Venn Diagram: left circle is races I am interested in; the right circle is the races I have time for (practice and participate); and the bit in the middle is the races I do. But yes, I agree that PD decisions sure make that center piece smaller that it could/should be.

 

[Yard_Sale]

So, like….


Any news? Rumors perhaps? Is the sky still falling amongst the kids in the twitter-sphere?

 

[Moose78]

Just waiting for race details for Manu Cup to drop.

I've done about as much testing as I care to on the Gr.3 cars from my shortlist of manufacturers -- the least popular in Canada: Citreon, Dodge, Hyundai, Renault, and Suzuki -- by running test races from prior seasons. The Citreon is bad on fuel. The Dodge is bad on tires AND fuel. I can't drive the Suzuki fast. So I'm finding myself with a two-horse race: Hyundai versus Renault.

The biggest unknown for me at this point is whether they will bring Gr.4 cars back into GT1. I've been working on the assumption that they won't since they didn't show up in the exhibition seasons, but if that changes, it might make some of those other manufacturers viable.

But for now, it is just waiting.

 

[Roggers]

Just waiting for race details for Manu Cup to drop.

I've done about as much testing as I care to on the Gr.3 cars from my shortlist of manufacturers -- the least popular in Canada: Citreon, Dodge, Hyundai, Renault, and Suzuki -- by running test races from prior seasons. The Citreon is bad on fuel. The Dodge is bad on tires AND fuel. I can't drive the Suzuki fast. So I'm finding myself with a two-horse race: Hyundai versus Renault.

Hyundai? Has that thing been buffed? Or do you mean the Genesis X? I pick Hyundai one season. The tests for the 2 tracks meant I could compete with it, but Gran Valley got replaced with Nurburgring as they was a pit lane bug. At Spa it was wet so you didn’t notice too much the poor top end speed.

It’s looking like MR cars are the favoured cars right now. I hate to pick it, but I’m leaning towards the McLaren. I must jump back onto the game. Haven’t had chance since Tuesday last week.

The biggest unknown for me at this point is whether they will bring Gr.4 cars back into GT1. I've been working on the assumption that they won't since they didn't show up in the exhibition seasons, but if that changes, it might make some of those other manufacturers viable.

But for now, it is just waiting.

I think PD have moved away from Gr4. They don’t use them at the finals so it’s a pointless using them in the qualifiers. Plus I know last time they had Gr4, a lot of GTWS drivers skipped them rounds.

 

[Famine]

Any news? Rumors perhaps?

If you want a full schedule, it's probably going to be coming this Wednesday/Thursday.

 

[Moose78]

Hyundai? Has that thing been buffed? Or do you mean the Genesis X?

Yep, the Hyundai Genesis, not the Genesis X. It had a buff in the recent updates, but I doubt it is anywhere close to being near the top cars. So far, I'm finding that it is a pretty good all-round car, though. Good on fuel. Good on tires. Decent pace compared to the other cars.

I think PD have moved away from Gr4. They don’t use them at the finals so it’s a pointless using them in the qualifiers.

With all the work PD has done recently to rebalance the Gr.3 and Gr.4 categories, I could see them bringing Gr.4 back into the fold. I'm not expecting they will, but I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they did.

 

[MetalApe]

Is this the place for the Toyota Gazoo Racing GT Cup? Because we have one now. Seven rounds from 28 April to 25 August

TOYOTA GAZOO Racing GT Cup 2024 Online Qualifiers Start 28 April! - Sport Mode - Gran Turismo 7 - gran-turismo.com

Gran Turismo Official Website

www.gran-turismo.com

 

[Fezzik]

all players will receive a new matt black 2024 livery edition 'TOYOTA GR010 HYBRID '21' for entering the Online Qualifiers

Nice.
Sad for the GT1 players that this one is doing the 3 slot format as well.

Track schedule for the Nations Cup is up

gran-turismo.com

Gran Turismo Official Website

www.gran-turismo.com

Le Mans (Gr2), Watkins (yay!), Trial Mountain, Maggiore Reverse, Daytona Road Gr 1 (yay!), Spa (yay!).
Proper tracks, I like it a lot.

 

[watto79]

Interesting that this has one more round than GTWS and takes 24 players to the finals rather than 12. So the Toyota Cup is somehow a bigger event than GTWS.

Find it very strange there's no GT-One round, yet there is a Prius round 😜

 

[Fezzik]

 

[jenson86]

Nice.
Sad for the GT1 players that this one is doing the 3 slot format as well.

Track schedule for the Nations Cup is up

gran-turismo.com

Gran Turismo Official Website

www.gran-turismo.com

Le Mans (Gr2), Watkins (yay!), Trial Mountain, Maggiore Reverse, Daytona Road Gr 1 (yay!), Spa (yay!).
Proper tracks, I like it a lot.

Looks pretty good indeed! I hope Le Mans and Spa have weather. The Wednesday race is only possible in the evening, I hope the ones on Saturday are also in the afternoon.

 

[Nakano219]

Interesting that this has one more round than GTWS and takes 24 players to the finals rather than 12. So the Toyota Cup is somehow a bigger event than GTWS.

Find it very strange there's no GT-One round, yet there is a Prius round 😜 View attachment 1345192

The thing I find strange here is that we have the last round of the Toyota Cup... without a Toyota in it.

I know there's a Lexus so there's still a Toyota-owned manufacturer there, but still, it's strange.

 

[tankuroded]

I know there's a Lexus so there's still a Toyota-owned manufacturer there, but still, it's strange.

Was it payback for the RC F not being in last year's GR GT Cup Gr.3 race?

 

[Moose78]

I only see the tracks listed under the Event Schedule at the Nation Cup event site -- no race details (damage, tire wear, fuel consumption, etc), like we had for the last exhibition season. Is that what everybody else is seeing or am I just not looking in the right place?