Gran Turismo World Series (Manufacturers Cup Exhibition Season: Feb 5 - Feb 15)

[Zorz]

Thanks for that info, @Zorz !

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I started doing some Nord laps on my three accounts' manufacturers (Toyota, AMG, McLaren respectfully). Nothing to the detail Zorz did, but just some TT laps. I did like three laps in each car. In the limited laps, in my hands:

Toyota - 7:58.8X
AMG - 8:02.0X
McLaren - 7:59.2X

The AMG felt really good around the track but it's just a dog on the straights. I don't remember the exact numbers but pretty sure it was slower than the McLaren. The McLaren actually surprised me as it's got some decent top end and less than .500" behind my Supra time. But the McLaren has very good tire wear (to the Supra's horrible tire wear) and good on fuel as well. This car will be strong IMO.

All that being said, this might be a BRZ show. It's good at everything! Currently on top of the leader-board and after watching a replay I just couldn't believe how late they were braking; and it has legs on the straights too.

If you prefer straight line speed, maybe give the SLS Gr.3 a try on your AMG account and see how it feels. As unpopular as it is in general, I'm getting the feeling it could be a viable alternative here. Although considering I seem to be the only SLS (that I've been able to find at least) on the leaderboards right now... 😅

It seems a bit better on fuel than the AMG, a bit worse on tyres and quite a bit faster on the straights. The AMG gets up to around ~260kph down the Döttinger Höhe before the gantry, whereas the SLS gets up to ~270kph. With dynamic weather at play and a tyre change seeming to be worth it regardless if it stays dry, I'm honestly thinking it could have a good shot here.

Also hello...

 

[Talon16]

If you prefer straight line speed, maybe give the SLS Gr.3 a try on your AMG account and see how it feels. As unpopular as it is in general, I'm getting the feeling it could be a viable alternative here. Although considering I seem to be the only SLS (that I've been able to find at least) on the leaderboards right now... 😅

It seems a bit better on fuel than the AMG, a bit worse on tyres and quite a bit faster on the straights. The AMG gets up to around ~260kph down the Döttinger Höhe before the gantry, whereas the SLS gets up to ~270kph. With dynamic weather at play and a tyre change seeming to be worth it regardless if it stays dry, I'm honestly thinking it could have a good shot here.

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Ha, that is awesome!

I didn't even think to try the SLS, but I will. Your speeds on Dottinger seem the same as mine, which is like 161-162mph. That... if I am being frank... is horrible. The McLaren was like 167 and the Supra/GT LM II are like 170. Heck, even the BRZ is in the high 160s. Ugh, not looking too good for the 20 AMG.

 

[Yard_Sale]

I’ll be curious to see what PD does with this race. If there’s any rain that requires wets/inters, we’re looking at race times that are easily going to go over 1hr in GT1!

What would be an interesting race, would be for us to start in rain that required inters/wets, and then by the end of the second lap, the track was dry enough for RH’s that you would have to fuel/tire save to the finish, or you could risk trying to run wet tires for an extra lap on a dry track. I’m not expecting a great finish in my 458, but any kind of meaningful tire-saving isn’t really an option for me. This car wants to step out more than normal on you, by the beginning of lap 3

 

[GTWolverine]

I’ll be curious to see what PD does with this race. If there’s any rain that requires wets/inters, we’re looking at race times that are easily going to go over 1hr in GT1!

What would be an interesting race, would be for us to start in rain that required inters/wets, and then by the end of the second lap, the track was dry enough for RH’s that you would have to fuel/tire save to the finish, or you could risk trying to run wet tires for an extra lap on a dry track. I’m not expecting a great finish in my 458, but any kind of meaningful tire-saving isn’t really an option for me. This car wants to step out more than normal on you, by the beginning of lap 3

The entire session is gonna be over 1 hr no matter what. Qualifying alone will be over 15 minutes and even a dry race will still average over 8 minutes/lap in Top Split, so the absolute quickest race will still take over 56 minutes. Wet races might push 1.5 hours including qualifying.

 

[mobilmasher]

So tonight I learned during Nurburgring practice that the two Ford GT LM Spec IIs are BoPed quite differently. I'd assumed they were like the M6s and would be similar but not really as it turns out!

I have no idea which Ford Gr.3 car I'm going to race on Wednesday.

I drive for Ford and personally I'm going with the Spec II, I feel the transmission is better suited to the track. Also it's easier to drive then the test model.

 

[Talon16]

I’ll be curious to see what PD does with this race. If there’s any rain that requires wets/inters, we’re looking at race times that are easily going to go over 1hr in GT1!

What would be an interesting race, would be for us to start in rain that required inters/wets, and then by the end of the second lap, the track was dry enough for RH’s that you would have to fuel/tire save to the finish, or you could risk trying to run wet tires for an extra lap on a dry track. I’m not expecting a great finish in my 458, but any kind of meaningful tire-saving isn’t really an option for me. This car wants to step out more than normal on you, by the beginning of lap 3

This race will definitely be more than an hour, especially when you consider the ~20 min total qual time (12 mins + I am assuming eight more). Then, as you mentioned, the weather.

But, there are two hours between races in GT1. So that shouldn't be a problem.

 

[dkstz]

Check the slots! I'm only getting two!

GT1, South America region...

 

[Talon16]

I just did some more laps in the Supra and knocked a second off my previous time; literally exactly one second. Down to 7:57.858 with so many mistakes. I don't know if it was colder this TT session due to clouds but man that car is a handful. It wants to kill you on every exit. I turned TC on at one point and am not even ashamed to admit it. This car on RH tires is a pig; if it weren't for its top end it'd be worthless. Regardless, might not be the META this time around; there are only three Supras in the top 40.

It is, however, still my fastest time. I need more laps in the other cars, though... hasn't been fair in that regards.

Check the slots! I'm only getting two!

GT1, South America region...

I just checked, I have three: 19:00, 21:00, & 23:00.

 

[kjeldsen]

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[Yard_Sale]

As much as I want this race to be pretty straight forward…

Man, PD really has an opportunity to do something special here. There’s so much room for them to make this a very interesting race. Pretty much any rain that’s hard enough to warrant a change to wet tires, has the potential to make this a 2-stop

 

[Talon16]

@Zorz So I tried the 2011 AMG and you are right, it's definitely quicker. Only took one lap to beat my 20 AMG time. It was hitting 168mph as I was going under the bridge on Dottinger and the 20 AMG was at 161. I can't believe how top end slow the 20 AMG is. Leave it to PD to release an updated GT3 car and make it slower than an old one (again). The absolute lack of top end might make that 20 AMG a non-starter. I can't imagine giving up 10+ mph to the Supra down that whole straight. Now I am curious about the 16 AMG.

I am bummed because I was on a flyer of a lap, up 1.5 seconds over my previous best which would've had me in the 7s but completely screwed up the second half and lost it all. Then had a bad first half but a great second half. Anyway, there's a 7 in this car for me I think.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Could also be the more aggressive Aero of the newer car that’s holding it back in the straights. Just speculation tho. I’m more of an MR guy myself

 

[shio]

I expect the rain to be random per lobby, that's how it was for the Le Mans race in the GT Cup. Also free practice is different each time you run it, so it's likely gonna be a dice roll on what weather you get. Think it's just running R01 weather preset. I've had practice sessions that are pouring rain and would require wets, others that IMs would be fine on, and other settings that were dry for multiple laps.

Guess we'll see how it works out, rain in the GT Cup worked in my favor well in GT3 because evidently a lot of people don't bother practicing for rain despite it being a possibility. So many people ran slicks in my race and did horribly as a result.

 

[TheWeapon874]

Ok, so some (really) dumb questions....

I imagine people are getting dry conditions to run free practice laps given those times....is it a complete lottery, or do you just park and wait for the rain to clear?

For the race, how do we tell what the weather is like at the start? I recall doing one where qualifying was dry, and I started on slicks but it was pouring rain when the race began....

 

[shio]

Ok, so some (really) dumb questions....

I imagine people are getting dry conditions to run free practice laps given those times....is it a complete lottery, or do you just park and wait for the rain to clear?

For the race, how do we tell what the weather is like at the start? I recall doing one where qualifying was dry, and I started on slicks but it was pouring rain when the race began....

So what I did during my GT Cup race was jump into warmup before qualifier started, check the weather radar, adjust accordingly. The surface water level percentage on the lobby menu seems possibly inaccurate.

Also at the end of qualifying I checked the weather to see what to expect. At least in the GT Cup race, the weather at the end of qualifying seemed to carry over to the race, so I knew to run IMs. Not sure if it always behaves like that.

EDIT - oh and make sure to check the wind direction on the lobby menu so you know which way the clouds are roughly gonna move, to avoid changing to IMs or Wets if the rain is moving away from the track

 

[Dep Fishtail]

Ok, so some (really) dumb questions....

I imagine people are getting dry conditions to run free practice laps given those times....is it a complete lottery, or do you just park and wait for the rain to clear?

For the race, how do we tell what the weather is like at the start? I recall doing one where qualifying was dry, and I started on slicks but it was pouring rain when the race began....

Definitely a lottery.
As far as trying to get a no rain goes, I jumped into the free practice and checked weather radar as my lap began. A restart keeps the same weather so if you mess something up off the bat, a restart is fine.

To get different weather i clicked all the way out of manu page back to sport mode page and back in to see if the weather roulette was favorable.

It is also important to watch which direction the weather is traveling.
After about 15 tries and thinking I’d never get dry, I hit the jackpot with no weather on the radar whatsoever.

GL

 

[Fezzik]

Did some testing in both the 458 and Corvette, way off the pace as expected. I'm okay for the first half of the lap but after the Karussell I really struggle. Just too many corners and sectors where I can't remember when I need to slow and when I can be flat out. On my own it's ok but in a race with others I would become a liability.

As I've never raced the B variant of Sardegna with Gr3 cars, I'm going to skip tomorrow and just concentrate on practicing that layout for Saturday instead. Much more chance of a good result and less chance of causing a pileup.

Good luck to everyone tomorrow.

 

[Talon16]

Ok, so some (really) dumb questions....

I imagine people are getting dry conditions to run free practice laps given those times....is it a complete lottery, or do you just park and wait for the rain to clear?

For the race, how do we tell what the weather is like at the start? I recall doing one where qualifying was dry, and I started on slicks but it was pouring rain when the race began....

As others have said, it's a crapshoot. I had to exit and re-enter many times to get a dry track. Worst part is, when you start on a dry track, are having a great lap, and six minutes in it starts raining!

I really wish you could choose what you want before a practice lap: dry, IM level mid-tier wet, full wet, or even just dynamic. Of course, I want a dry lap to try and set a purple time. But I also want to practice in the wet as well! So I'll likely be doing the same as above until I get some rain.

On the race, you gotta be quick. As soon as you can, do the 'free run' before the race starts and check the radar. That's the only way to know what the weather will be like... at race start anyway.

Did some testing in both the 458 and Corvette, way off the pace as expected. I'm okay for the first half of the lap but after the Karussell I really struggle. Just too many corners and sectors where I can't remember when I need to slow and when I can be flat out. On my own it's ok but in a race with others I would become a liability.

As I've never raced the B variant of Sardegna with Gr3 cars, I'm going to skip tomorrow and just concentrate on practicing that layout for Saturday instead. Much more chance of a good result and less chance of causing a pileup.

Good luck to everyone tomorrow.

Just remember, unless you're a king alien, no one does a good lap around Nord. Your best laps is just basically your least worst lap.

 

[OJBrit]

For the race, how do we tell what the weather is like at the start? I recall doing one where qualifying was dry, and I started on slicks but it was pouring rain when the race began....

When they started to do weather races the weather in the race mimicked the qualy weather.

 

[CMB350]

The absolute lack of top end might make that 20 AMG a non-starter. I can't imagine giving up 10+ mph to the Supra down that whole straight. Now I am curious about the 16 AMG.

The ‘20 AMG is so nice on the rest of the track though. Other than the lack of straight line speed, do you feel the ‘20 AMG is as good or better than the others?

I did a little testing in the wet on inters and it was very predictable and relatively easy to drive too. Much better than a lot of GT3 cars in the rain. Still very difficult to get a mistake free, fast lap though.

 

[Nakano219]

The surface water level percentage on the lobby menu seems possibly inaccurate.

What is happening here, I'm pretty sure, is that the surface water percentage is correct for the exact moment the race loads. But then the weather system, like with fuel, is also acting between that loading frame and the actual start of the race (and for GTWS this time gap is very long as it includes the grid walk). So if it's raining at the beginning, you can get a race that is "0%" surface water on frame one but inters-ready by the time the race actually starts.

 

[gunmetalskyline]

Looking forward to this next round of the Manufacturers cup, quick Q, has anyones GR3 and GR4 cars that you own and used in the Nations cup series, gone missing after it ended?

Apologies if this is the wrong thread

 

[Talon16]

The ‘20 AMG is so nice on the rest of the track though. Other than the lack of straight line speed, do you feel the ‘20 AMG is as good or better than the others?

I did a little testing in the wet on inters and it was very predictable and relatively easy to drive too. Much better than a lot of GT3 cars in the rain. Still very difficult to get a mistake free, fast lap though.

I've only tried three cars, for my three manufacturers on my three accounts because for some reason PD won't let you test with any car at any point, regardless if you've picked a Manu or not.

Anyway, you can see from my screenshot the 20 AMG isn't on it. My best time in the 20 AMG was an 8:02.002. Honestly, the 11 was not only quicker on the straight but the rear seemed more planted; although, it had more understeer.

Depending on how much time I have tomorrow, I might run the 20 AMG anyway as it's my 2 account so I am not worried about it. But, the stopwatch doesn't lie. Super bummed because I really like the 20 AMG otherwise (it's the reason I picked AMG for Manu!) and had good success with it at Grand Valley.

I think the McLaren is the sleeper of the group. I only did three laps in it, whereas the Supra I did probably eight. There's a mid 58 or better for my in that car for sure.

Looking forward to this next round of the Manufacturers cup, quick Q, has anyones GR3 and GR4 cars that you own and used in the Nations cup series, gone missing after it ended?

Apologies if this is the wrong thread

Are you sure you owned them? When you sign up with a Manu, you're provided with a Gr3 and Gr4 car from that manufacturer. Once the series is over, they are 'taken back' so to speak and you lose them. If you purchase them from the dealership, you'll have them forever.

 

[Fezzik]

Looking forward to this next round of the Manufacturers cup, quick Q, has anyones GR3 and GR4 cars that you own and used in the Nations cup series, gone missing after it ended?

Apologies if this is the wrong thread

The cars you get loaned from your chosen manufacturer get taken back at the start of the next series. I haven't seen cars I've actually bought disappearing.

 

[jimihemmy]

The cars you get loaned from your chosen manufacturer get taken back at the start of the next series. I haven't seen cars I've actually bought disappearing.

Only if you choose another manufacturer. If you don't the cars stay in your garage until you choose a different one. If you don't sign up at all, the cars are still in your garage.

 

[Mastasidaz]

If it rains is it faster to drive with tc? I’m the dry the GTR is already a handful for me.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Yes

 

[shio]

I turn up TC if it's rainy. I usually run online with TC 1, but depending on how bad it is I ramp it up. One spin out that could have been saved from an additional level of TC in crappy conditions should save more time than would have been gained otherwise, is my thinking.

I'm not a high level driver though, so if you can handle it in the rain go for it, that's just personally what I run. I use TC 1 online for the same reason, risk-reward. Offline I run no TC.

 

[Zorz]

If you're struggling in the wet, don't hesitate to turn the TC on/up. I know people say using the assists is slower than not but if you're not confident driving the car, that in itself will cost you more time, especially if you lose control!

I personally go to TC3-5 whenever it starts getting wet, depending on how bad the conditions are, and I'm in A+. Would much rather survive!

 

[SPL170db]

Depends on what tires you're on at the time. If you're on RH tires and it starts to rain then TC probably would help. If you're on IM or W you shouldn't really need it. Although countersteer assist @ weak can also help a bit depending on the car you're in.