Grip bug thread

[Brunoblak]

 

[QTheRacer_31]

Obrigado! Must admit it’s an incredible video you just made.

Almost looks like he has Ultra Soft tires. I’ll let the pros analyze it but it’s crazy...

 

[zzz_pt]

We can't see the input data and speed for a good duration of the video but it's obvious something is wrong with his account.

 

[Devilsgrave72]

Doodle isn't bugged. He is legit and a GTP member.

Legit member's are not bugged ! Don't say what you don't know is fact

 

[Shottah072]

Legit member's are not bugged ! Don't say what you don't know is fact

So you confirm you have the bug have you tried a second account ?

How much were you off on your second account ?

 

[BigDawg_1281]

Legit member's are not bugged ! Don't say what you don't know is fact

That's what I said, he is not bugged.

 

[Spurgy 777]

Legit member's are not bugged ! Don't say what you don't know is fact

Doodle isn't bugged, fact.

 

[AdamA998]

I don't notice increased grip, I always get decreased grip during race(not because of worn tires or slip stream) when I'm starting in front of everyone.

 

[Brunoblak]

We can't see the input data and speed for a good duration of the video but it's obvious something is wrong with his account.

If you need to analyze me and add I share these replays ok

 

[MPowerX]

Tell me that is just the replay and that he is not really turning like Automan!

 

[Nando deBem]

Tell me that is just the replay and that he is not really turning like Automan!

What’s automan?

 

[Spurgy 777]

The videos are rubbish it clearly doesn't show things same in my style

Oh and missed this, sorry about the quality of your video, was the best I could get my hands on that was uploaded to YouTube. If you could share some replays then maybe could so a better comparison to highlight the difference? Would look similar to @Brunoblak's video of Gordo above though. As others have suggested might be worth making a second account so you can feel the difference for yourself.

 

[phil_75]

Why aren't GTplanet putting this on the main news page to draw attention to it?
It's pretty big news imo.

 

[HellzFire]

All he replied is: You’re also from Brazil? Haha I didn’t know! I will abandon this account. It really has the bug!

Right?

He actually used the verb abandonar (to abandon) in the past tense there, so in fact hes saying hes already stopped using it, which isn't true, at least for qualifying in sport mode.

The rest is what you said

 

[ShiftingGears]

I've shared some screenshots to Spurgy of Devilz vs L-Shooter at Bathurst, at the point of maximum yaw at the dipper. It looks like there is no visible tyre deformation on vehicles with the bug.

EDIT: Disregard. Bugged cars show tyre deformation as well as non bugged.

 

[Amaru]

This is just turning it into a joke at this point.

This is just beyond rediculous, the guy isn't even at 100% throttle on the straights... he's idling his throttle around 93-95%.

The most annoying thing about this grip bug is that there are a lot more people affected by this than we think. I have been involved in at least 25-50 races where at least one person in the lobby seemed to have this grip bug -as in you'd see people miss their braking point by at least 50m and they'd still be able to save their car from going off track and on top off that exit the corner while being able to floor the throttle where clean drivers couldn't even have their throttle at 70% or they'd wipeout...

It is very obvious to me what has caused this grip bug, the introduction of fixed setups came in the last week of October and this is exactly the same timeframe when this grip-bug started to happen.

Go have a look at @gtr3123 his live streams. At the end of October when the fixed setups were introduced in daily races, all off a sudden Sennna was faster than any other top10 driver in South America, by seconds.

The patch that introduced "fixed setups" is the cause of this bug, I'm 100% convinced of this.

 

[Devilsgrave72]

I've shared some screenshots to Spurgy of Devilz vs L-Shooter at Bathurst, at the point of maximum yaw at the dipper. It looks like there is no visible tyre deformation on vehicles with the bug. EDIT: Disregard. Bugged cars show tyre deformation as well as non bugged.

Lol what's going on

The replays don't show much bcz the videos are poor quality

 

[Spurgy 777]

The replays don't show much bcz the videos are poor quality

He has a replay of one of your races with L-Shooter, I’ve asked him to share it so I can record it.

 

[Devilsgrave72]

He has a replay of one of your races with L-Shooter, I’ve asked him to share it so I can record it.

I'm not happy with all this investigating ! Seems like you ppl are making me out to be a hacker of some sort ! Why don't Sony or psn talk to me I'm sure they know about this issue

 

[zzz_pt]

I'm not happy with all this investigating ! Seems like you ppl are making me out to be a hacker of some sort ! Why don't Sony or psn talk to me I'm sure they know about this issue

Go back to the beginning of the thread and see if anyone called @RA1784 a hacker or cheater at any point.

This "investigation" is only happening because there are people who care about the game being fair (including RA1784). Not because they're out to get you. We should be glad there are people trying to figure out what's happening for the sake of everyone who plays GTS.

 

[Devilsgrave72]

So you confirm you have the bug have you tried a second account ?

How much were you off on your second account ?

Whether I have this bug or not . I ain't no begginner and still have to sweat to get a top 10 time ! Just because I'm a new kid on the block the top 10 regulars are complaining and I'm really getting sick of listening to ppl because I have put a lot of hard work in my game


I'm not confirming nothing . Only on the conditions that I have no idea who I am talking too ! So please if you wish more questions to be answered find me on gtsport send me a request so I can talk to who ever on party chat

 

[ShiftingGears]

Whether I have this bug or not . I ain't no begginner and still have to sweat to get a top 10 time ! Just because I'm a new kid on the block the top 10 regulars are complaining and I'm really getting sick of listening to ppl because I have put a lot of hard work in my game

It's whether you have the bug or not, and why. You were mentioned because it looks like you do. Whether you're a regular or not is irrelevant to this discussion.

 

[Mikyll]

No one ever called you a hack or cheat. No one is accusing you of doing any wrong. They believe you have the bug. If you do, it’s not your fault. They are hoping that if you do, they can learn something that helps solve it since PD either isn’t listening or is silently working on it. Only thing asked of you ... Try a different account and run the same lap times. Thanks

 

[zzz_pt]

Whether I have this bug or not . I ain't no begginner and still have to sweat to get a top 10 time ! Just because I'm a new kid on the block the top 10 regulars are complaining and I'm really getting sick of listening to ppl because I have put a lot of hard work in my game

No one of the people affected by this bug is to blame that they are experiencing the issue. But it's normal for other people to ask questions if they see something is wrong. Don't take it personally. This is a failure of the game, not of the players.

RA also had put a lot of effort and hours into his playthrough but started from scratch because he knows what he got was achieved with an unrealistic advantage, even if not by his choice.

I'm not confirming nothing . Only on the conditions that I have no idea who I am talking too ! So please if you wish more questions to be answered find me on gtsport send me a request so I can talk to who ever on party chat

Why not be open about it and talk with us here? I don't even know you from the game so I have no idea about your times/laps. But wouldn't it be nice to find out if something is wrong asap with the help of the people who are here, interested in making this issue go away too? I don't believe you'd prefer to ignore the situation and continue playing with that doubt in your mind to then discover (when PD fixes it, because they have to) that you were affected by this bug all along and could have started a new game way earlier, with the correct grip levels.

Ofc you're free to ignore this thread. But since you have a GTP account and came here, would be cool if you could help us out as @RA1784 did. If not, that's OK too. It will just take more time.

 

[GT_Alex74]

Whether I have this bug or not . I ain't no begginner and still have to sweat to get a top 10 time ! Just because I'm a new kid on the block the top 10 regulars are complaining and I'm really getting sick of listening to ppl because I have put a lot of hard work in my game

Hey, don't get salty there. You're the one on the defensive there. For the record, several people involved in those investigations are top simracers for years, and they certainly have millions of miles behind them. We're not calling you a noob, but understand some guys here, in addition to their dedication, also have raw talent. They know what's possible and what's not. It's not a matter of complaining someone is faster, it's basically their everyday job to analyze the best laps out there to know where they can gain those little tenths here and there. I practically never took part into seasonal time trials in GT5 and GT6, no one ever came to me to complain my top 10 laps looked strange on GTS when I score some.

We're not negating the fact you might put a great dedication into GT Sport right now (you're not the only one to do that btw), but really, you want to try driving on another account, putting a lot of miles everyday with that bug would do more harm to your driving technique than it would benefit it. I know it's not fun having people suddenly telling you your laps should be 3 seconds slower, but 3 seconds off the times you're putting right now still makes for very respectable lap times.

Bugged cars show tyre deformation as well as non bugged.

Thanks, that's something I was really curious about.

 

[ShiftingGears]

He has a replay of one of your races with L-Shooter, I’ve asked him to share it so I can record it.

I'm getting hit with server communication problems every time I attempt the upload. I can take screenshots of tyre deformation on request, however. It's a bit hard thinking how to do a more methodical visual analysis given the different racing lines of the two players, but as mentioned, I have observed tyre deformation in the bugged vehicle.

 

[GT_Alex74]

I'm getting hit with server communication problems every time I attempt the upload. I can take screenshots of tyre deformation on request, however.

Yeah, sharing a replay is always a huge pain in your plumbing. As for tyre deformation pictures, if both guys have it, then there's not much to learn there. For me, just check if there's any difference showing up in a low speed and in a high speed corner, and share pics if it does.

 

[Stiggy]

Having raced with @Devilsgrave72 a few times I am under the impression that his save is affected by the bug - racing at Bathurst in a Gr.4 daily I noticed his Megane was getting great drive out of the corners compared to my M4, which seemed rather bizarre for a front wheel drive car to be getting better drive out of corners than a rear wheel drive. I couldn't save the replay for that race for evidence of this, since I was disconnected from the session at the results screen.

 

[Devilsgrave72]

Hey, don't get salty there. You're the one on the defensive there. For the record, several people involved in those investigations are top simracers for years, and they certainly have millions of miles behind them. We're not calling you a noob, but understand some guys here, in addition to their dedication, also have raw talent. They know what's possible and what's not. It's not a matter of complaining someone is faster, it's basically their everyday job to analyze the best laps out there to know where they can gain those little tenths here and there. I practically never took part into seasonal time trials in GT5 and GT6, no one ever came to me to complain my top 10 laps looked strange on GTS when I score some.

We're not negating the fact you might put a great dedication into GT Sport right now (you're not the only one to do that btw), but really, you want to try driving on another account, putting a lot of miles everyday with that bug would do more harm to your driving technique than it would benefit it. I know it's not fun having people suddenly telling you your laps should be 3 seconds slower, but 3 seconds off the times you're putting right now still makes for very respectable lap times.




Thanks, that's something I was really curious about.

I'm not changing accounts over a bug this is my only account . If Sony or pds patch it up great

 

[ZeroApex]

It's whether you have the bug or not, and why. You were mentioned because it looks like you do. Whether you're a regular or not is irrelevant to this discussion.

Whether I have this bug or not . I ain't no begginner and still have to sweat to get a top 10 time ! Just because I'm a new kid on the block the top 10 regulars are complaining and I'm really getting sick of listening to ppl because I have put a lot of hard work in my game

First point.
There is NO WAY you are getting the lap times you have been posting without hacks, bugs, exploits, voodoo magic, or a combination of these.

Second point.
The other issue is intent, as in, do you have intent to cheat or are you (like other players) getting a massive advantage without any explicit knowledge.

It is going to be up to you to figure it out, and trust me, you can figure it out real easy by trying to achieve your own lap times on an alternative account. Because at this point, there is no use in trying to fool other people there is no problem. The question is, are you going to delude yourself. That is why it sucks for you - that PD created a broken product. If you go through the entire thread, you can see how one player had to deal with all this - I do not envy anyone stuck with this problem as the game is by nature competitive and social.

Here is the evidence as it relates directly to you.
You have been consistently posting top #1 times in Asia Pacific (and setting WR times) using a DS, without analogue acceleration or braking, using automatic transmission and multiple assists. That alone is sufficient to warrant all the attention. Using AT alone rings alarm bells! Replays of your hotlaps are public, and people try to emulate your times. Impossible to do. Seriously, and this is going to sound harsh, but you must be in complete denial if you think your mad skillz alone are letting you consistently beat the best players in Asia.

We now have a number of players worldwide who seem to exhibit remarkably similar things to you, and some of those players can now attest to the fact that something has been broken for them. At this stage nobody knows exactly what the issue is, or how to replicate it.

To make it clear that this aint about YOU it is about the broken game that we all want to enjoy, we have two absolutely game breaking issues that are currently live and have gotten ZERO response from PD:
1) the 'grip' bug
2) majority of the tracks are still exploitable with pit area glitch (park your car near pit entry for 20 seconds and you get first position, lap incremented by 1) in ALL modes (including cup events)

Both of these render the idea of a competitive esport absurd. Indeed, the whole premise of the game as it is sold and marketed is fraudulent.

So, you have been given the information, up to you to deal with it. This is where it really is all about you, because how you decide to deal with this is going to be about more than just playing a video game. I am sorry you have to go through this.