Grip bug thread

[Spurgy 777]

I remember some guy braking like 10 metres before the 5th turn in Alsace and easily navigating through it, you want to tell me that is normal?

I would have to see the replay to know if it's normal or not, do you have it saved?

It's not that I am salty about people being faster, I just view it as potentially game breaking.

I don't think you're being salty, it's just that as I've said to others it's easy to become paranoid knowing that people could have extra grip, and that it's important to remember we have no evidence of this being remotely widespread so it's best just to assume everyone you're racing against is driving with the same physics as you are as it's very unlikely that they're not.

 

[Baron Blitz Red]

I'm expecting to see a massive drop off in talent from more than just a few. If you're not that good at all, 3-4 seconds a lap puts you into the A and High B group. We have all seen poor drivers in those races and have wondered how they manage to get decent laps in with the way they drive. All we have been able to see, for sure, is a handful of decent guys with impossible laps.

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Can't argue that... but without proof, we are just clutching at straws while trying not to drop our tin foil hats.

I agree that it's more likely to affect more than just a lottery winning odds amount of people... but, and I do mean but, we can't be hyper vigilant or hyper suspicious either. Have I been shaking my head at some people's times that are no where close to the top 10? YES. Is this problem the cause of it? MAYBE. Is it right to assume that the people I don't think are capable of these lap times aren't actually capable? NOPE.

Until the ACTUAL problem has been identified by PD, I think we should just hold off lighting the torches, keep the pitchforks in the barn where they belong, and stop giving Trump yet another reason to build a wall. Again, just my 2 cents worth...

Cheers

 

[wingman1659]

Do you think it has something to do with the difference we see in times from practice sessions and daily races, even in ones where there’s no fuel or tire consumption?

I don't know if you have been replied to on that but I have definitely thought the car felt different between practice/qualifying and the daily race.

 

[GTFraker]

I would have to see the replay to know if it's normal or not, do you have it saved?


I don't think you're being salty, it's just that as I've said to others it's easy to become paranoid knowing that people could have extra grip, and that it's important to remember we have no evidence of this being remotely widespread so it's best just to assume everyone you're racing against is driving with the same physics as you are as it's very unlikely that they're not.

That's the thing, I never thought it was a bug and I passed it off as me being inferior, seeing this thread reminded me of it. It was back when I was still in DR:C.

 

[Spurgy 777]

That's the thing, I never thought it was a bug and I passed it off as me being inferior, seeing this thread reminded me of it. It was back when I was still in DR:C.

Well the chances are it was nothing and they were just braking later than you, as I've said again and again, getting paranoid about this doesn't help anyone, especially yourself.

 

[JacksHerer]

It's possible that there are some guys in the lower ranks with it, but I would think anyone in mid DR:B and above would be touching the leaderboards if they had the bug.

 

[dabz343]

Also, and I'll repeat it again, we only know of 4 people with extra grip out of 100,000's of players and we haven't a clue how they got the extra grip or even if this is being done on purpose or not (we are currently trusting that these players are telling the truth as that is the only reasonable thing to do as we have absolutely no evidence to suggest they are lying). So with there being so few people known with extra grip, knowing basically no details on how it happens, or if we did how easy it would be for PD to pick up then saying that PD should have picked this up in testing is and unreasonable thing to say.

So I would say just keep playing this game as if nothing is wrong as that is the only sensible thing to do at this point as all the information we do have at the moment suggests that this isn't very widespread at all.[/QUOTE]


Continuing to assume this bug affects only 4 accounts seems delinquent, unless you have data that supports that claim?

We just do not have enough sampling to be sure. I agree that 4 accounts are suspect, but concluding all others are clear seems premature. We should continue to be seeking credible evidence as PD gets their head around this and delay our need for judgement. IMO it would be helpful to refrain from making assertions that this bug is limited or rampant.

 

[TheGeologist]

If four of the top ten have been affected by this bug, there should be reason to believe there are more out there with the same "Issue". 4/10 is forty percent of the top ten, and while this is a very small sample size, it wouldn't make sense for a bug to affect only top 10 players. If this is truly a random bug, and not an exploit, then more must be out there. Unfortunately, this will be tough to prove because if the bug raises a slow drivers lap time by a couple seconds, most slow drivers will still be slow to average at best.

 

[QTheRacer_31]

I think it would be hard to blame PD for not catching this...

As stated above, WE only know of about 4 people amongst 100's of thousands of people. That's WAY less than 1%. You'd be more likely to meet someone that's been hit by lightning, or has a superfluous nipple or has been kidnapped by aliens than has been affected by this bug. A little leniency should be afforded in this circumstance. Just my 2 cents worth.

Cheers

Haha I gotta invite you in my next stream so you can be my Wikipedia assistant once again! That made me laugh

Imagine how widespread this thing would be without online game saves... Thank PD for doing it even if it’s unpopular!

 

[GTPorsche]

If four of the top ten are effected, there must be more that are effected as well. 4/10 is forty percent of the top ten. While this is a very small sample size, it wouldn't make sense for a bug to affect only top 10 players. If this is truly a random bug, and not an exploit, then more must be effected. Unfortunately, this will be tough to prove because if the bug raises a slow drivers lap time by a couple seconds, most slow drivers will still be slow to average at best.

Actually it's 4/30 as it's, well was, 2 in NA/SA, 1 in Europe who has since resolved it, and 1 in Asia-Pacific. We can only go by what we can get from leaderboards, unfortunately.


And I just watched TRL_SENNNA's Alfa lap for today's Race B. He's using 80% throttle for most of the lap. I'll have a recording of it uploaded later.

 

[Spurgy 777]

Continuing to assume this bug affects only 4 accounts seems delinquent, unless you have data that supports that claim?

We just do not have enough sampling to be sure. I agree that 4 accounts are suspect, but concluding all others are clear seems premature. We should continue to be seeking credible evidence as PD gets their head around this and delay our need for judgement. IMO it would be helpful to refrain from making assertions that this bug is limited or rampant.

I'm not making any assertions beyond that there are 4 accounts with extra grip, it's entirely possible that there are more accounts than that but we have no evidence, so going around saying "this persons faster than me, must be bugged" doesn't make any sense.

What is less useful is lots of people making claims about people having extra grip when they can't tell the difference between a normal lap and a bugged one. I'm simply reminding people of the facts we have and speculating that it could be more widespread is meaningless and pointless without evidence.

If four of the top ten have been affected by this bug, there should be reason to believe there are more out there with the same "Issue". 4/10 is forty percent of the top ten, and while this is a very small sample size, it wouldn't make sense for a bug to affect only top 10 players. If this is truly a random bug, and not an exploit, then more must be out there. Unfortunately, this will be tough to prove because if the bug raises a slow drivers lap time by a couple seconds, most slow drivers will still be slow to average at best.

Technically 4 drivers out of everyone capable of getting within 2-3 seconds of the top times under normal conditions as any of those drivers with the bug would likely get in the top 10 if they wanted to. So that raises it from 4/10 to 4/1000s most likely.

 

[Jpdaigle]

Actually it's 4/30 as it's, well was, 2 in NA/SA, 1 in Europe who has since resolved it, and 1 in Asia-Pacific. We can only go by what we can get from leaderboards, unfortunately.


And I just watched TRL_SENNNA's Alfa lap for today's Race B. He's using 80% throttle for most of the lap. I'll have a recording of it uploaded later.

I noticed he don't use 100% of the accel too... even in straight lines.

 

[TheGeologist]

Actually it's 4/30 as it's, well was, 2 in NA/SA, 1 in Europe who has since resolved it, and 1 in Asia-Pacific. We can only go by what we can get from leaderboards, unfortunately.


And I just watched TRL_SENNNA's Alfa lap for today's Race B. He's using 80% throttle for most of the lap. I'll have a recording of it uploaded later.

Thank you for the correction. Interested to see that video as well

@Spurgy 777 You raise a fair point as well, and I'm now inclined to agree with you

 

[PirovacBoy]

Happend yesterday. I joined the FIA race. More for testing than racing, and my lobby was full with SS and AS drivers because my rating didnt reset and is still on AS. I had no chance to be competitive on day 3 without bug. I should be in C or D lobbys.

Hello RA I just coincidentally recognized that I have a replay saved on my PS4 from your daily race on 06.01.18 on Nürburg Gp. You were No1 on the Leaderboard that day with a 1:54:093. I was trying to learn where I am loosing time and couldn’t believe how grippy your Car was in certain sectors. I tried to mimic it but no chance. I only use the 458 for Gr3 and even bought a 911 to see if it’s the Car that makes the difference.Crazy.I just started to read about this bug and remembered your Name when I saw it. So this Lap was this so called bugged Lap?! Right?!

 

[TheGeologist]

Is there a plausibility that a user may mod their wheel some how to achieve higher/faster turning speed?

I have no explanation for the 80% throttle on the straights though... Maybe deliberately trying to slow themselves down in an attempt to avoid an even more ridiculous looking lap time?

 

[RA1784]

So this Lap was this so called bugged Lap?! Right?!

Yes!

 

[Spurgy 777]

Is there a plausibility that a user may mod their wheel some how to achieve higher/faster turning speed?

I have no explanation for the 80% throttle on the straights though... Maybe deliberately trying to slow themselves down in an attempt to avoid an even more ridiculous looking lap time?

My guess would be that any controller/wheel mods wouldn’t affect the times physically possible, only makes getting the best possible time more achievable. So using that reasoning it is unlikely to be the cause of what we see as they are doing things that are impossible using normal physics.

 

[dabz343]

I'm not making any assertions beyond that there are 4 accounts with extra grip, it's entirely possible that there are more accounts than that but we have no evidence, so going around saying "this persons faster than me, must be bugged" doesn't make any sense.

What is less useful is lots of people making claims about people having extra grip when they can't tell the difference between a normal lap and a bugged one. I'm simply reminding people of the facts we have and speculating that it could be more widespread is meaningless and pointless without evidence.


Technically 4 drivers out of everyone capable of getting within 2-3 seconds of the top times under normal conditions as any of those drivers with the bug would likely get in the top 10 if they wanted to. So that raises it from 4/10 to 4/1000s most likely.

Agree, it's entirely possible that more than 4 accounts may be affected and we should be seeking evidence that leads us to making a credible assertion about the distribution of this bug. So let us all take part in having a coherent dialogue and let the facts lead the way.

I also agree that it is not useful to have individuals call out faster drivers without some tangible evidence that points to this bug. If anyone wishes to call out a suspect driver, then it would be most beneficial to include a video where everyone can witness the unreal traction that is clearly tied to this bug.

Sidebar, I've created another account and confirm I do not have the bug. It was the only way to be sure.

 

[Jpdaigle]

Is there a plausibility that a user may mod their wheel some how to achieve higher/faster turning speed?

I have no explanation for the 80% throttle on the straights though... Maybe deliberately trying to slow themselves down in an attempt to avoid an even more ridiculous looking lap time?

it's possible to modify the hardware to change or alter sensibility but that would not allow the car to pull more G's in braking or turning.

What I'm wondering is how the game or the system react to different input signal....

 

[kimkafwan]

I'm expecting to see a massive drop off in talent from more than just a few. If you're not that good at all, 3-4 seconds a lap puts you into the A and High B group. We have all seen poor drivers in those races and have wondered how they manage to get decent laps in with the way they drive. All we have been able to see, for sure, is a handful of decent guys with impossible laps.

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Well i'm sorry to tell you this but we played a few times in the same lobbies and you're not that fast. We are in the same boat though because a top10 player bullied me these past few days letting me overtook him several times per races and then managed to win so easily when i'm struggling behind my wheel ... there is always better than us.

 

[QTheRacer_31]

Maybe deliberately trying to slow themselves down in an attempt to avoid an even more ridiculous looking lap time?

That’s what I thought. Must be hard to give up being 1st. Just try to get realistic times with the bug. Pretty pointless though.

 

[JacksHerer]

Does he already have the psn trophies? I think I would get it over with and start fresh like RA. But if I was close to the trophies and saw them in sight, I hate to say it, but I would probably get them before wiping.

 

[UGA95]

Technically 4 drivers out of everyone capable of getting within 2-3 seconds of the top times under normal conditions as any of those drivers with the bug would likely get in the top 10 if they wanted to. So that raises it from 4/10 to 4/1000s most likely.

I don't know if I'd say it's that few and far between. I'd bet there's probably 1-3 people per 100 on the leaderboard that have no idea they have the bug or that a bug even exsists.

 

[wingman1659]

Hi guys, he sees the problem (couldn't match his world record or get in the top 10 with the new account we made). He doesn't want to talk here but he says if anyone wants to discuss it, send him a friend request to DevilzGraveyard7 and either message him or discuss it through party chat.

So how big of a house do you get?

 

[cleanLX]

I'm expecting to see a massive drop off in talent from more than just a few. If you're not that good at all, 3-4 seconds a lap puts you into the A and High B group. We have all seen poor drivers in those races and have wondered how they manage to get decent laps in with the way they drive. All we have been able to see, for sure, is a handful of decent guys with impossible laps.

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

I would "guess" that there is more than 4, so, like you expect to see folks come and go... I would also guess that it'll be more of a shuffle'n than a drop off... Bug'd S guys will fall into A/B, top A drivers will advance to S... and so on down through the ranks.
Me being a 60%B guy... assuming I'm not bug'd (and judging buy how I get eaten up on the brakes, and spin out of corners, I'm not) will see only the names of my competitors change... I'm not going anywhere (magically to A) as a result.

 

[Spurgy 777]

I don't know if I'd say it's that few and far between. I'd bet there's probably 1-3 people per 100 on the leaderboard that have no idea they have the bug or that a bug even exsists.

Why? There are definitely 100s or more likely 1000s of people capable of setting times within 2-3 seconds of what is possible. Given what we know if any of them had the bug they would be setting top 10 times if not lap records. So if since the games release only 4 people have set a top 10 time using it as far as we’re aware then betting that 1-3/100 have it makes no sense based on the evidence we have. A logical bet would be 4/1000 but even that would be a guess on the actual numbers. After all we don’t even know what causes these grip levels and can’t say for certain it isn’t done on purpose so we can’t really say there are anymore than the ones we know of.

 

[UGA95]

Why? There are definitely 100s or more likely 1000s of people capable of setting times within 2-3 seconds of what is possible. Given what we know if any of them had the bug they would be setting top 10 times if not lap records. So if since the games release only 4 people have set a top 10 time using it as far as we’re aware then betting that 1-3/100 have it makes no sense based on the evidence we have. A logical bet would be 4/1000 but even that would be a guess on the actual numbers. After all we don’t even know what causes these grip levels and can’t say for certain it isn’t done on purpose so we can’t really say there are anymore than the ones we know of.

If someone is 1000th on the leaderboard you can't say he or she would set a top 10 time with the bug. You don't know that. They could be consistently setting a 20th-30th place time and we would never see it. You're making just as much of an assumption as I am. Just because one person gains 2-3 seconds with the bug doesn't mean another person would only gain 1.5-2 seconds and therefore might not show up on the leaderboard. My opinion is that of the top let's say ~3% of people that play this game there is more than just these 4 people that have this bug. This also isn't even taking into account the people who don't even race in sport mode. I have many people on my friends list who are super fast and have no interest in sport mode at all because they just like racing with friends. I could be wrong and it could indeed be 4/1000's but I think that's wishful thinking honestly.

 

[NommyNom]

Good to know, I always wondered how some people racing in front of me could brake so deep in a corner and then casually clear the corner like they were in an F1 car. Once or twice I tried to emulate them, since I thought my braking points were too conservative, with disastrous results

could also be an explanation for a few of the punters who are used to braking much later than everyone else (rare cases)

well we all know this bug exists, even though its just 3 or 4 for now. how many players are there in GTS? what percent of them consistently do sport mode? what percent of them are on this forum? and what percent are top ten? so many factors that reduce the numbers drastically. Tip of the iceberg right now, but in my opinion I think this affects more than we think, its just a lot are not showing up on the leaderboards.

the other day at Kyoto, I was in a pretty high ranked room and an M6 who qualified 19th and was able to finish around 11th I think, in a room with half DR:S and half DR:A and only 1 car going off track the whole race. Either he's very skilled and fibbed the qualifier for fun or has the bug.

 

[Spurgy 777]

If someone is 1000th on the leaderboard you can't say he or she would set a top 10 time with the bug. You don't know that.

No, which is why I'm not saying it. I'm confident, based on the number of drivers I've raced with over the years, that there are at least 1000 people who are better drivers than some of the people with this bug and who are getting world records with ease. Therefore if your 3/100 assumption was correct we would expect to have seen more people with extra grip in the top 10 leaderboards.

You're making just as much of an assumption as I am.

I am making evidence based assumptions, or guessing based on the information we have, you are not, you're just plucking numbers out of thin air based on nothing.

Just because one person gains 2-3 seconds with the bug doesn't mean another person would only gain 1.5-2 seconds and therefore might not show up on the leaderboard.

Again, just plucking ideas out of thin air, we have no evidence to suggest these people are any more capable of going quickly with the bug than anyone else, the most likely event is that they gain an average amount. And seeing as we can estimate that all 4 of the drivers with the bug appear to be going 2-3 seconds faster with it based on their driving and the times they do that on average that is the time gained by the bug. It is of course most likely track/car dependent as well.

My opinion is that of the top let's say ~3% of people that play this game there is more than just these 4 people that have this bug.

Assuming it is a bug, which again, we don't know, and that the % of bugged accounts is uniform, a fair assumption, then yes, you would expect more than 4 people in the top 3% of people, maybe even just in the top 3% of people that play sport mode. But that isn't what you have been saying. You're saying that rather than there being more than 4 in the top 5400 people who play sport mode, or 90,000 who have the game, that there are more than 4 in the top 133 players.

This also isn't even taking into account the people who don't even race in sport mode. I have many people on my friends list who are super fast and have no interest in sport mode at all because they just like racing with friends. I could be wrong and it could indeed be 4/1000's but I think that's wishful thinking honestly.

Non sport mode players are irrelevant when we are talking about %s.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Can't someone from the dev team just post a "hey, we know, we're working on it". Is that too much to ask for? Other games manage to do that. There's a system for it in the game ffs! There are people whose job it is to write and publish these types of updates. Why no word? At the end of the day, this is all I want to make me feel better right now. Some acknowledgement that they actually care about the people responsible for their incomes over the last two decades.