Grip bug thread

[HellzFire]

Why? Nobody will judge him. In fact, he might be of great help like RA has been. It wasn't his fault.

What was the gap on laptimes?

 

[FPV MIC]

Hi guys, he sees the problem (couldn't match his world record or get in the top 10 with the new account we made). He doesn't want to talk here but he says if anyone wants to discuss it, send him a friend request to DevilzGraveyard7 and either message him or discuss it through party chat.

At least he's acknowledged there's an issue. 👍

 

[Tou2istTrophy]

Why? Nobody will judge him. In fact, he might be of great help like RA has been. It wasn't his fault.

What was the gap on laptimes?

Yep, on daily race 3 with the grip bug using the Megane, he got a 2.24.155.

With the new account, he must not have liked the physics very much because he didn't complete a full lap, I guess he had enough of it pretty quickly.

At least he's acknowledged there's an issue. 👍

Well... sort of. He truly believes he deserves those times. You can't really blame the guy, he has almost 1300 sport mode races completed and more hours driven than probably everyone in this thread combined. It's unfortunate, because he really is putting in a lot of dedication into this game. I have a good feeling he's not going to stop with the times either.

 

[GTPorsche]

That's to be expected, tbh. These guys had no idea they were hit with a bug in the game and thought they were setting legitimately fast times. That being said, it's probably better for them to clear the issue now and adjust to what everyone else has than to have PD fix the issue and them be stuck wondering why they've suddenly lost pace. Ultimately it's their choice and we can't force them to fix it on their own.

 

[UGA95]

With the new account, he must not have liked the physics very much because he didn't complete a full lap, I guess he had enough of it pretty quickly.

This makes my curious as to what driving with the bug feels like. I imagine it must be like racing two different games if he couldn't even make it a lap without quitting.

 

[jasguer]

Kinda makes me a little sad. Gordo is my hero, I must have about 20 of his replays saved that I watch over and over in hope that one day I’d be that fast.

 

[QTheRacer_31]

Kinda makes me a little sad. Gordo is my hero, I must have about 20 of his replays saved that I watch over and over in hope that one day I’d be that fast.

That’s why you must always remain skeptical when someone is dominating by too much of a gap (Lance Armstrong) etc.

I’m sad for him now that his bubble is about to burst.

 

[UnkaD]

Those lap replays look like the cars are being AI-driven. Very slow apex speeds, but the entrances and exits are beyond normal.

 

[Tidgney]

Quick question: do we know already if this bug affects FIA races too?

I believe it does from 1 lap I saw the other day as I couldn't get within 3 mph on the apex. Could be something else not sure, but I'm going to do side by side comparison and have a look a bit more. Could be a mega lap because it is a good lap as well but every corner I was 2/3 mph down on every apex, any more speed on each corner meant I ran wide.

 

[JacksHerer]

At least there is someone talking, I guess now is the time to think up any other tests that weren't already done with RA.
Hopefully green highlighter guy will keep practicing on a sub account, ready for the day this gets fixed.

 

[racer_xis]

I always watch gordos replays, and he always use CSA, even with the FF cars, which seens odd to me, and so I thought that people were doing better because they could somehow understand and explore this assistance pros and cons ...
But this bug, its gamebreaking

 

[F4H Rosso]

Wow, did not know this existed.

Makes a lot of sense though, I remember watching a replay of one of the guys that has been posted multiple times in this thread on Maggiore in the Megane and finding it absolutely impossible to replicate his times using the lines he was. That and the fact he was using automatic gears! Hopefully this gets remedied asap, for all concerned.

 

[MPowerX]

apologize my English, why we call this a bug and not an exploit?

If it was me that was affected by this bug I also would be very sad to discover I'm not as good as I thought.
Do we have a specific thread where we discuss about joypad driver that has some kind of help?
Because I agree that they are often their racing line is very poor but can get out o the corner faster than me.

 

[ASH32]

apologize my English, why we call this a bug and not an exploit?

If it was me that was affected by this bug I also would be very sad to discover I'm not as good as I thought.
Do we have a specific thread where we discuss about joypad driver that has some kind of help?
Because I agree that they are often their racing line is very poor but can get out o the corner faster than me.

Because the guys with it did nothing to get this magic grip, which would be an exploit, it just happened to their save at some point, so it is a bug and as you said some will likely have it and not even know they have it and it will come as an awful shock to them if/when it's fixed.

 

[GT_Alex74]

We call this a bug rather than an exploit because that's not something actively triggered by people benefiting from it. Most don't even realize there's something wrong with their game.

 

[Rinsky]

I don't know if this has been mentioned but it sounds like the boost feature is activated all the time for a select few. Even though they are not chasing anyone or even have it selected. Sounds like it could be a bug that has it turned on all the time and is allowing people to go faster no matter how bad they drive.
I say this because others have mentioned no real tire squeal and that's kinda acting the same as being in a room with boost activated.
It was just a thought.

 

[HellzFire]

Sennna just replied me and said he has acknowledged the bug and abandoned his account. I don't know if he's going to help us here, so any questions you might want to make him tell me i can ask him.

 

[RA1784]

Sennna just replied me and said he has acknowledged the bug and abandoned his account. I don't know if he's going to help us here, so any questions you might want to make him tell me i can ask him.

Can he confirm the resetting driving preferences issue?

 

[BigDawg_1281]

I could be wrong here...

Are the physics different between a wheel and a DS4? Meaning, to allow a DS4 user to be competitive with a wheel user.

I am just wondering, if they are different. Maybe these accounts are assuming the user is competing with a DS4, yet they are using a wheel. I don't know if it would make that much of a difference though or not.

 

[Spurgy 777]

Sennna just replied me and said he has acknowledged the bug and abandoned his account. I don't know if he's going to help us here, so any questions you might want to make him tell me i can ask him.

Unlikely, I think an update will be coming later.

I could be wrong here...

Are the physics different between a wheel and a DS4? Meaning, to allow a DS4 user to be competitive with a wheel user.

I am just wondering, if they are different. Maybe these accounts are assuming the user is competing with a DS4, yet they are using a wheel. I don't know if it would make that much of a difference though or not.

Senna said he was using a Scuff controller so don't think he has anything to do with that. Plus it's been said that the driving aids for the controller just helps smooth out and correct your inputs as opposed to actually making your car faster than a wheel user, so same physics just the game drives for you a bit.

 

[QTheRacer_31]

Sennna just replied me and said he has acknowledged the bug and abandoned his account. I don't know if he's going to help us here, so any questions you might want to make him tell me i can ask him.

So this means there’s only one left that we know of?

Honestly, if I were them, I’d be so mad at PD that I would sue them... Not like it’s a known widespread bug. It’s a rare issue that made you waste months of practice and all your progress.

Bugs happen but this one is the worst I’ve seen in a game for years. I feel really bad for them now. They bought a game, played it as is and now realize their incredible pace was really just a fluke. It’s not like everyone will react like the players in this thread with RA.

I’d start a new account and hope no one knows who I was to avoid being targeted by those who called me a hacker/cheater.

 

[iFerrari]

I could be wrong here...

Are the physics different between a wheel and a DS4? Meaning, to allow a DS4 user to be competitive with a wheel user.

I am just wondering, if they are different. Maybe these accounts are assuming the user is competing with a DS4, yet they are using a wheel. I don't know if it would make that much of a difference though or not.

Both wheel and DS4 player here, I can assure you that physics don’t change between the 2, if you manage to be smooth enough with the DS4 stick you can do same lines as wheel users. The main difference is that you cannot overturn a corner with the DS4 like you can with the wheel, you are stuck at a certain steering lock threshold that changes with the speed you’re going. That means that faster cars (LMP) for example are much harder to drive with the DS4 just because you can’t use all the grip they offer at high speeds. That being said I still think GTS is the sim-arcade game with the best DS4 experience.

 

[RA1784]

I’d start a new account and hope no one knows who I was to avoid being targeted by those who called me a hacker/cheater.

Thought about that too but i made a lot of positive experiences since the topic is transparent!!

 

[jasguer]

That’s why you must always remain skeptical when someone is dominating by too much of a gap (Lance Armstrong) etc.

I’m sad for him now that his bubble is about to burst.

Ah, touché. I was a really big Armstrong fan, and thought since he almost died from cancer why would he take that kinda risk?

 

[Sean Renon]

@DriftMethod @GT_Alex74 and everyone else, you're making this far more complicated that it needs to be. Senna is only 1.6 seconds slower on his other account because he is using the M4, a car that is likely to benefit a lot less from this bug than the Megane, which is the car normally used to set times 3 seconds faster than should be possible (track dependent). The Meganes biggest weakness is lack of front end grip on power, especially in traction zones and this bug dramatically improves that, so by removing it's weaknesses you are just left with the benefits PD have given it in order to compensate using normal physics, i.e. lower weight and more power.

Adding to this, the grip bug would benefit different tracks more than others.
As far as I have come to understand it, braking is better & low speed grip while accelerating is better.

So it would make sense that tracks that have a lot of hairpins or heavy braking points like Nurb GP would benefit the bugged drivers more than a track like Big Willow for example.

 

[BigDawg_1281]

Unlikely, I think an update will be coming later.



Senna said he was using a Scuff controller so don't think he has anything to do with that. Plus it's been said that the driving aids for the controller just helps smooth out and correct your inputs as opposed to actually making your car faster than a wheel user, so same physics just the game drives for you a bit.

I thought I had seen he was using a G29, must have been someone else I was thinking of.

I knew it smoothed you out. That's why I was thinking it could be something like that. Where it would allow you to push harder with a wheel.

If sennna is not using a wheel tho, then it doesn't matter.

Both wheel and DS4 player here, I can assure you that physics don’t change between the 2, if you manage to be smooth enough with the DS4 stick you can do same lines as wheel users. The main difference is that you cannot overturn a corner with the DS4 like you can with the wheel, you are stuck at a certain steering lock threshold that changes with the speed you’re going. That means that faster cars (LMP) for example are much harder to drive with the DS4 just because you can’t use all the grip they offer at high speeds. That being said I still think GTS is the sim-arcade game with the best DS4 experience.

I started out with a DS4, I haven't used it since I switched to a wheel. I just remember in some ways it was more forgiving. I know braking and turning were different. I am faster with a wheel, I have to be much smoother tho.

 

[Spurgy 777]

I thought I had seen he was using a G29, must have been someone else I was thinking of.

I knew it smoothed you out. That's why I was thinking it could be something like that. Where it would allow you to push harder with a wheel.

If sennna is not using a wheel tho, then it doesn't matter.

RA is using a G29, that's probably what you were thinking of.

 

[Voodoovaj]

It's really hard to say who is truly faster and who is benefiting from extra grip.

https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/replay/1197461/5044050289521329176

I suspect a couple of the leaders in this race. The winner qualified with a 2:03:4. On the final lap of this race, his scruffy, sliding, mistake filled lap is 2:04:4. It's interesting to see the telemetry from each car at the front as well. (FYI, just hit the circle button if you didn't know that).

My current qualifying lap is 2:05:9 and I don't think I can find another 2.5 seconds.

 

[Spurgy 777]

It's really hard to say who is truly faster and who is benefiting from extra grip.

My advice then would be to stop trying to find people with extra grip if you can't tell the difference, you will just end up paranoid about anyone and everyone doing times you can't see being possible when 99.9% of the time they will be perfectly normal.

https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/replay/1197461/5044050289521329176

I suspect a couple of the leaders in this race. The winner qualified with a 2:03:4. On the final lap of this race, his scruffy, sliding, mistake filled lap is 2:04:4. It's interesting to see the telemetry from each car at the front as well. (FYI, just hit the circle button if you didn't know that).

My current qualifying lap is 2:05:9 and I don't think I can find another 2.5 seconds.

I watched the race and knew as soon as I saw who was in 1st and what the fastest time in Europe was that there was nothing wrong. Turismo-lester has been playing for years and is a very quick driver and his lap looks scruffy because it's at least 2.5 seconds slower than what is possible (fastest time in Europe is a 2:01.9).

 

[Voodoovaj]

(fastest time in Europe is a 2:01.9).

I'm already paranoid about it... And terribly bummed.

2:01:9? How? No, really, how?

But seriously, and remember no one is saying anyone is cheating or that their skills are diminished, not one of us currently knows what is legit and what is not. None us know if this bug is binary (you either have it or you don't) or proportional (you have it to some degree). I hit my marks and go 4 seconds slower than the best in Europe?

I'm just super bummed about the whole GTS experience so far. Not enough content on the whole, a "sport" focus but a pittance of Sport mode specific content, content being held back, no curated place for me to race the street cars online, no Gr1 races online, a pointless single player, and now the only mode worth playing is marred by skepticism over every action I make.

Am I good, but bugged to go slow? Am I terrible but bugged to go faster? Is the next guy? I'm hanging on by hope here. This is my favourite diversion from work in my day, but with each day I grow a little more frustrated by the feeling that I have been duped, and I tend to be pretty forgiving of this product.