GT 6 (False advertising)

[Lawndart]

I hear a lot of claimes and arguments based on very erroneous points because no one can really argue otherwise, or just to make ones self feel better. So id like to just point out a few things;

100 people is not a small dev team at all.

PD have been recycling a code base for 15 years, don't be fooled by a new branch of tech.

PD are technically and aesthetically competent.

PD have no designers.

PD's problem is, and has always been, lack of focus, direction, and creativity. Add age and it only erodes more over time.

Sony doesn't control PD any more than naughty dog, beyond any promotion that has money behind it. PD are more independent than any studio with a publisher partnership/owned affiliation.

So let's draw some conclusions;
We are 6 months past release, the game is in the bargain bin and used versions saturate shelves.

VGT was a bust and has no residual value as a retention mechanic anymore. It looked good on paper but failed in execussion.

Senna content is likely less than originally planned do to a limited install base and has more value being rolled into the next version.

Most perplexing, PD is still dead set on shutting down GT 5 and GT 6 online isn't on par with GT 5, the home to the bulk of their players. So this is the last chance pd has to update the online of GT 6.

To cut this list short, GT 6 is on life support as any further effort is a wash if it doesn't have a direct application to GT 7.

 

[Soulfresh_ACV]

I hear a lot of claimes and arguments based on very erroneous points because no one can really argue otherwise, or just to make ones self feel better. So id like to just point out a few things;

100 people is not a small dev team at all.

PD have been recycling a code base for 15 years, don't be fooled by a new branch of tech.

PD are technically and aesthetically competent.

PD have no designers.

PD's problem is, and has always been, lack of focus, direction, and creativity. Add age and it only erodes more over time.

Sony doesn't control PD any more than naughty dog, beyond any promotion that has money behind it. PD are more independent than any studio with a publisher partnership/owned affiliation.

So let's draw some conclusions;
We are 6 months past release, the game is in the bargain bin and used versions saturate shelves.

VGT was a bust and has no residual value as a retention mechanic anymore. It looked good on paper but failed in execussion.

Senna content is likely less than originally planned do to a limited install base and has more value being rolled into the next version.

Most perplexing, PD is still dead set on shutting down GT 5 and GT 6 online isn't on par with GT 5, the home to the bulk of their players. So this is the last chance pd has to update the online of GT 6.

To cut this list short, GT 6 is on life support as any further effort is a wash if it doesn't have a direct application to GT 7.

Without starting each point with "PD", I almost thought that was in reference to Microsoft

 

[Lawndart]

Without starting each point with "PD", I almost thought that was in reference to Microsoft

Lol, good point, I suppose a few publishers would fit that mold...

 

[mistersafeway]

I hear a lot of claimes and arguments based on very erroneous points because no one can really argue otherwise, or just to make ones self feel better. So id like to just point out a few things;

100 people is not a small dev team at all.

PD have been recycling a code base for 15 years, don't be fooled by a new branch of tech.

PD are technically and aesthetically competent.

PD have no designers.

PD's problem is, and has always been, lack of focus, direction, and creativity. Add age and it only erodes more over time.

Sony doesn't control PD any more than naughty dog, beyond any promotion that has money behind it. PD are more independent than any studio with a publisher partnership/owned affiliation.

So let's draw some conclusions;
We are 6 months past release, the game is in the bargain bin and used versions saturate shelves.

VGT was a bust and has no residual value as a retention mechanic anymore. It looked good on paper but failed in execussion.

Senna content is likely less than originally planned do to a limited install base and has more value being rolled into the next version.

Most perplexing, PD is still dead set on shutting down GT 5 and GT 6 online isn't on par with GT 5, the home to the bulk of their players. So this is the last chance pd has to update the online of GT 6.

To cut this list short, GT 6 is on life support as any further effort is a wash if it doesn't have a direct application to GT 7.

100 people may not be overly small in general, but it's a lot smaller than many 1st party studios, some of whom make lower profile IPs (well, Guerrilla does), which presumably means less turnover, and, likely, less profit.

Sony:

Naughty Dog
Sony Santa Monica
Guerrilla Games

Microsoft:

Rare
343 Industries
The only information Wikipedia has on Turn 10's staff is over 300 nearly 5 years ago.

No, I'm not a PD apologist (for one thing that paints them as a fascist organisation ), I just think that a lot of the flak they take is unfair. They do need to move with the times, no denying that, and the first step is employing ~100 new people so they at least have a chance to catch up to their rivals.

 

[GTPVenomZombie]

Really because what's odd is you coming into this thread and becoming the classic GT dogmatic fan that can't seem to live a day with a critique such as this unfolding upon the internet-sphere. Oh the humanity how could these people say such things!!! Then you moan about it by complaining yourself, when you could have simply glossed over it and moved on with life instead of now becoming a victim of your own asinine rhetoric.

Many of us don't like certain things on this forum, but we seem to handle our day quite well going around it as if it doesn't exist. Perhaps you should try that on, instead of talking in crazy mumbles about barbies and what not.

You really expect me to take note of that crap? All I said was `why don't you do something about it`. I wasn't the one complaining mate. You want me to simplify what I said? Okay, why don't you give GT6 in if you think so low about it? Are you happy now? Or am I just going to get a paragraph of you talking absolute nonsense again? No need for your trash talk at all.

 

[Soulfresh_ACV]

100 people may not be overly small in general, but it's a lot smaller than many 1st party studios, some of whom make lower profile IPs (well, Guerrilla does), which presumably means less turnover, and, likely, less profit.

Sony:

Naughty Dog
Sony Santa Monica
Guerrilla Games

Microsoft:

Rare
343 Industries
The only information Wikipedia has on Turn 10's staff is over 300 nearly 5 years ago.

No, I'm not a PD apologist (for one thing that paints them as a fascist organisation ), I just think that a lot of the flak they take is unfair. They do need to move with the times, no denying that, and the first step is employing ~100 new people so they at least have a chance to catch up to their rivals.

That's definitely one way to help alleviate some of the issues if really they are tight on human resources. I have no doubt on it. However, this might also compound to even much more unrealistic expectations that they might set upon themselves.

I think the fundamental problem like any businesses or government institutions these days often try to address or increase productivity by focusing on increase staff while what they actually need is finding ways to be more efficient to maximise outcomes be it quality and quantity.

I would suggest a great read for PD that it might learn a thing or two like how Ford started and evolutionise the manufacturing process to maximise their output back in the day.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

You really expect me to take note of that crap? All I said was `why don't you do something about it`. I wasn't the one complaining mate. You want me to simplify what I said? Okay, why don't you give GT6 in if you think so low about it? Are you happy now? Or am I just going to get a paragraph of you talking absolute nonsense again? No need for your trash talk at all.

Really, cause it sure seemed like it, especially with that bit about the barbies quite mature for something that wasn't a complaint. I turned mine in long ago, don't tell me. And yes I'm quite happy to get a slight return on what I spent. I wasn't trash talking I was being honest, if you have issue with that there are plenty of outlets that help you report when someone has done such a thing. However, I'm pretty sure I've done no such trash talking.

How was my last post before this nonsense? It was quite simplistic, you have an issue with this thread and to fix said issue instead of flaming, just avoid this thread.

 

[GTPVenomZombie]

Really, cause it sure seemed like it, especially with that bit about the barbies quite mature for something that wasn't a complaint. I turned mine in long ago, don't tell me. And yes I'm quite happy to get a slight return on what I spent. I wasn't trash talking I was being honest, if you have issue with that there are plenty of outlets that help you report when someone has done such a thing. However, I'm pretty sure I've done no such trash talking.

How was my last post before this nonsense? It was quite simplistic, you have an issue with this thread and to fix said issue instead of flaming, just avoid this thread.

The last four words was all you needed to say.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The last four words was all you needed to say.

If that was the case then why didn't you understand me the first time I told you that? Anyways glad you get it now.

 

[sailworksman]

Seriously, some of you have to give this up. There is life after GT. Several new titles are going to be released for the remainder of this year on many platforms. Also there are still great titles out there now. Stop trying to get into PD's brain and figure them out.

It's ok to move on, it really is.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Seriously, some of you have to give this up. There is life after GT. Several new titles are going to be released for the remainder of this year on many platforms. Also there are still great titles out there now. Stop trying to get into PD's brain and figure them out.

It's ok to move on, it really is.

DriveClub here I... Oh wait it hasn't released yet. :\

 

[starknight97]

Seriously, some of you have to give this up. There is life after GT. Several new titles are going to be released for the remainder of this year on many platforms. Also there are still great titles out there now. Stop trying to get into PD's brain and figure them out.

It's ok to move on, it really is.

Done that already.