GT Academy: Fedup with folks who go off the track? Not playing clean?

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R1600Turbo
For now, yeah. Hopefully they fix it. If not, then oh well. No GT Academy for me.:indiff:
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From wikipedia: The phrase sour grapes is an expression originating from "The Fox and the Grapes," one of Aesop's Fables . It refers to envious behaviour, especially pretending to not care for something one does not or cannot have, a condition called cognitive dissonance.

Stop complaining people. Its a game that has certain rules. Whoever is the best within those sets of rules wins the game, its as simple as that.

The driving physics are so off in GT anyway, comparing it to real world racing is a fools errand.

c-ya in the next round of the academy ;)
 
TRC factory
If other drivers were using a runoff area of the track to maintain momentum and run faster laps, and the governing body of this event was allowing it, I would expect my drivers to do it as well. If they instead chose to take the moral high ground and therefore lose time and the race, I would be quick to replace them with someone who would.
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There's a difference between using a runoff area, and going way the hell off the track though. I haven't seen the replays, but if they are crossing a patch of grass to get to this so called "runoff" area, then it shouldn't be allowed at all. Period.

fizzer
Stop complaining people. Its a game that has certain rules. Whoever is the best within those sets of rules wins the game, its as simple as that.
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Go home newb. The game is only allowing it because PD either forgot or didn't think to put a penalty system in place for those areas. If they are going to allow it, and not do anything, then they should be ashamed of themselves for letting it happen.
 
There is a physical difference yes, but not a technical difference. The point I was making was that in any competition the rules apply to every competitor equally. You either have to decide if you want to win, or if you want to watch from the stands.


I think it sucks that anyone can do this, and so does TRC Hunk. However, the game allows it, and even if everyone on this board decided to not do it because it is not within our definition of fair play, there would still be others that did use it, giving them an advantage.

That is why I say that I think you should use every means available to you for this particular competition, because no amount of debating in this thread is going to change the rules this round, and it would be a shame to see someone with skills get left out just because they didn't like the rules they had to work with.
 
TRC factory
... it would be a shame to see someone with skills get left out just because they didn't like the rules they had to work with.
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Then Sony and PD are going about this the wrong way and they will end up with the wrong people at the end. There's really no other way to look at it.
 
R1600Turbo
Then Sony and PD are going about this the wrong way and they will end up with the wrong people at the end. There's really no other way to look at it.
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Sucks for you! You can't even enjoy the comp because you so worried about what others do. I don't like the cutting but i am having a hell of alot of fun anyway!
 
R1600Turbo
Then Sony and PD are going about this the wrong way and they will end up with the wrong people at the end. There's really no other way to look at it.
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This I agree with. However, I have no doubt that no matter what the rule set was, the same people would be there in the end. TRC Hunk has won several competitions in Forza, including a trip to the 2010 LeMans in France. None of these guys are fast because of cheating, they are fast because they are fast, and would be regardless.

If you want to hate on anyone, hate on PD. It is their rules, not ours.
 
TRC factory
TRC Hunk has won several competitions in Forza, including a trip to the 2010 LeMans in France. None of these guys are fast because of cheating, they are fast because they are fast, and would be regardless.
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Then why doesn't he just do it the right way? Teach everyone else that it can be done by staying on the track where you belong? Seems like I would have more respect for the guys up top if they did it that way.
 
R1600Turbo
Then why doesn't he just do it the right way? Teach everyone else that it can be done by staying on the track where you belong? Seems like I would have more respect for the guys up top if they did it that way.
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That is what I have been trying to say with my posts. According to the rules of the competition, he IS doing it the right way. Again, their rules, not ours. You can't expect anyone to chance losing out on the prizes offered in GT Academy just because YOU don't like the rules, can you?

We all respect your concerns, and your opinion. But the fact remains that if PD allows it, people will do it. Why should Hunk sacrifice his chances?
 
TRC_Hunk
Lol, thats ridiculous!

Ok how about this one...if you were just outside the cutoff, and making the cut meant going to the GT Academy finals but you knew the only way you could make it would be to do something you felt was wrong, would u do it? =)

Maybe you are refraining from doing it because you aren't in this situation, but I bet if you were then you would be singing a different tune.
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Nice job AJ #1 in the nation. Factory do you have a PS3?
 
R1600Turbo
Go home newb.
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And you wonder why GT is the laughing stock of the sim racing community. Its not the game so much as the constituents of the community.

I've been sim racing since virtua racing deluxe on the genesis, have played all GT games, lfs, iRacing, and NetKarPro and am currently ranked well in the top 100 in the nation in GT academy with less than an hour invested in my laps.

GTP newb? Maybe. Sim racing newb, not so much :) To use a cliche (apt in this circumstance), don't hate the player, hate the game.
 
Respect? I know my friends would respect me more for being just as fast using the correct line. IDK, I've always grown up with the saying "just because you can, doesn't mean you should". In this case, I'm going to stick with it.

Say what you want, but it's just not kosher with me. End of story. I'm out.
 
R1600Turbo
Respect? I know my friends would respect me more for being just as fast using the correct line. IDK, I've always grown up with the saying "just because you can, doesn't mean you should". In this case, I'm going to stick with it.

Say what you want, but it's just not kosher with me. End of story. I'm out.
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You have a really nice pedestal there. Do you need oxygen that far up there? Give it up man.

Sounds like someone took a leak in your cheerios yesterday.
 
Ive read a good bit of the posts and wanted to chime in. I agree with the OP and Turbo makes some very good points, as well. I don't drive off of the track either, but I am also not in the top yet.

I also agree with with Hunk and Choate. They did not ""cheat" because it is available for anyone to do. They do not have an unfair advantage because we all are able to use that part of the track if we want. If that is how the rules are set up, then there are no rules being broken. :)

I don't agree that the rules should be like that but they are. But I also don't think that this is the best way to find out who is the best. IMO, for someone who pushes the car to its limits like the leaders do for a lap, how many times did they wreck it? To me, racing is more than just the quickest qualifying lap. I wish it was something like the best time for 10-15 laps. That would show consistant fast racing. But I'm sure I'm in the minority on that one.

Hopefully, after Christmas, I can have some good time to really give this a try, and I'll be honest, if I get close to the top, I be damned sure that I use everything possible to my advantage because that is how this competition is set up.

Happy racing:tup:
 
R1600Turbo
Exactly.

If Sony and PD are going to allow this, then it's not worth running the contest to me. I don't want to be part of something where people are allowed to cheat to win.
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Deuce350z
I hate seeing the top guys on the score board often going off the track, hell even on the cape ring track one guy exits coming off the track to the side road exiting the S bend before the long loop.

My opinion, these laps should be invalidated, don't take this as a cry for "Oh his too good", but this should be clean racing to find the best drivers, am I not right? I like to keep it clean and find my fastest lap times without having to take 2 tires into the grass, so should the GT academy tournament.

So why are they allowing this type of driving when it would not be tolerated in Real Life? As long as your inside tires are not going over the rumble strip, it should be counted, if the inside tires go off the rumble strip the lap should be invalid.

Screen shot below of the lap I was talking about on cape ring, this should have been invalidated, but instead he topped the scoreboard.

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Nope you didn't accuse me of anything huh?
 
Choate51
Nope you didn't accuse me of anything huh?
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I was talking about people in general that were doing it. I didn't specifically say your name. And I do now see where people are skipping over the grass on to the exit of that pit lane, which I do still say should be a no-no.

Your YouTube video is about 98% how it should be done.
 
You guys should all relax. I doubt getting in the top 128 is a problem for any of you guys no matter the circumstances, and you all should just be happy about that!

This is really a great event, no matter what anyone says or does, and any discussion that diverts from the competitions greatness should be shunned! :lol:
 
Choate, please, give me a break. If you were any kind of real racer, or were any good at this game, you would not be taking that jump like you do. There's no way the car would survive that landing. That's why all the really good, true racers have been slowing down to a safe speed making sure to keep all four on the tarmac over that jump, which really should just be a crest.

Is the sarcasm getting through?
 
R1600Turbo
What these people don't get is that they would not be allowed to do that on a real track, in real life. Therefore they should not be allowed to do it in the contest.
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Like Alex Zanardi's pass of Bryan Herta on the last lap at Laguna Seca in 1996?
 
luskiiimj
Choate, please, give me a break. If you were any kind of real racer, or were any good at this game, you would not be taking that jump like you do. There's no way the car would survive that landing. That's why all the really good, true racers have been slowing down to a safe speed making sure to keep all four on the tarmac over that jump, which really should just be a crest.

Is the sarcasm getting through?
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Heck yeah it is. If it was a real sim i would have had a few basal skull fractures as my head bounces off the dashboard when I mess up turn 6
 
That looked like an accident to me. Sure he meant to dive in there to take the position, but I doubt he thought about cutting the corner like that in the process. It just...happened. Different circumstances I think.
 
R1600Turbo
That looked like an accident to me. Sure he meant to dive in there to take the position, but I doubt he thought about cutting the corner like that in the process. It just...happened. Different circumstances I think.
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The point here is this. At that race, in that time period, the officials of the race allowed a clearly(by today's standards) illegal move. If anyone tried that today, they would be black flagged. Just like PD is allowing these runoff issues in GT Academy at the moment. Zanardi used the rules, or lack thereof, to win the race. Can you blame him?
 
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