GT Academy: Fedup with folks who go off the track? Not playing clean?

[CodeRedR51]

That's the same kind of example as the Zanardi Laguna Seca incident, and I honestly don't think either of them are good examples. They didn't purposely cut those corners.

 

[LeftyWright69]

What I’m trying to get at is this, after you run off the track your suppose to go slower not faster. Crazy lines that aren’t suppose to work and are capitalized on to make a very unconventional move pay off, are the kind of thing that only the best driver will ever be able to pull off. Just like those plastic tires we have to drive with on the Tsukuba challenge, only the best drivers will be able to utilize to their maximum traction and pull away when your still trying to turn.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Oh I don't disagree with that at all. It's the grass hoppers I have a problem with. The pit exit is just that, a pit exit. It's not part of the normal driving line. If you mess up and go over there on accident, then whatever. But purposely using it to gain an advantage is not ok.

 

[s32]

IMO it is unfortunate that they allow cutting of the corner which happens to be faster, but since they do you gotta just deal with it and use it to your own advantage too. IMO it is no different than taking a line thru a drainage ditch because it is faster than the "normal" line

 

[Deuce350z]

What I’m trying to get at is this, after you run off the track your suppose to go slower not faster. Crazy lines that aren’t suppose to work and are capitalized on to make a very unconventional move pay off, are the kind of thing that only the best driver will ever be able to pull off. Just like those plastic tires we have to drive with on the Tsukuba challenge, only the best drivers will be able to utilize to their maximum traction and pull away when your still trying to turn.

Your analogy of a good driver is completely wrong man, i'm not trying to be harsh but you're comparing two different type of situations. If I see a driver make a bad judgement call that takes him 5 feet away from the track, i'm not going to have much faith in him. Now if I see a driver that gets his wheels up on the rumble strip on the apex point with the tires slightly coming off the rumble strip, that'll be my boy. Yes you will see real drivers going off the track, it happens, that's why it's called the 2 warning system and your out. This is a hot lap season where the best drivers compete in setting the best lap times, the screenshot you posted is a competitive race. Sometimes drivers are forced off the track due to something that is out of their control, like a bad driver in front of them that blocks their exit point. Also, i'm not sure who it was that mentioned the Nascar race on Toscona but i've watched a few videos today and turn 5 is a tight corkscrew turn forcing the cars to bunch up or go off the line, I don't see how this could be related to the topic at hand.

As of last night I had the fastest time at the Cape WITHOUT using that extra bit of track to shut up the naysayers. Proving that you can actually run faster without it. 2.46.642 as of today.

We were never pointing fingers at you bud, not sure why you keep thinking this. If i'm pointing any fingers, it's at PD and Sony. I also watched your latest replay today, it's much better man, though not 100% but still it makes me happy to see you didn't jump to the far right side.

BS I am sorry, only because any person who respects the sport wouldn't even "think" that this line would be available let alone use it. So how can you say "utilize everything". It is obvious this shouldn't be allowed, stop defending it.

You're 100% right, I've only been racing on the local tracks for a couple years now, but i've attended some professional racing classes and this is one of the #1 rules while on the track.

The guys that "respect" the sport are guys running towards the back in any series, Cope, Speed I can keep going. They guys that will win at any cost are usually the champions. Senna, Schumacher, Earnhardt, and so forth.

I'm sorry but that's not correct, show me some examples where Earnhardt is purposely cutting through the track to cut his time and isn't warned or black flagged. Mind you this doesn't include another car running or forcing him off the track.

It's obvious the few guys in this thread defending the racing line are guys who have or do race regularly on local tracks, we have a certain level of respect for the rules of racing and we abide by these rules in real life or in a sim racing game. With the GT Academy in sight for the top winners, we want to know that the right folks are being picked for the top winners and have that same level of respect, understanding of racing. Don't take this as a direct assault, i'm not pointing fingers at anybody. If you recall last years GT Academy winners, you'll remember the pop quiz they had to take before entering the track, well guess what some of those questions consist of? I'll give you a hint.

 

[dothackRAVE]

I think this whole argument can be solved with one question:

WWASD? What Would Ayrton Senna Do?

 

[Deuce350z]

I think this whole argument can be solved with one question:

WWASD? What Would Ayrton Senna Do?

Heel toe down shifting in dress shoes, got to love the guy! I bet he would have done it if they dragged him out in his boxers and bunny slippers.

 

[Dapper]

There are some new tactics on the leaderboard. Dudes whole car is in the grass and he bounces off the wall between turn 11 and 12.

 

[xe2bls]

I think this whole argument can be solved with one question:

WWASD? What Would Ayrton Senna Do?

He would cut the track so hard it would make it cry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko94oniszuA

 

[dothackRAVE]

He would cut the track so hard it would make it cry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko94oniszuA

Exactly what I was thinking Senna would do. "I race to win".

 

[LeftyWright69]

He would cut the track so hard it would make it cry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko94oniszuA

That was one cool cat. He really puts things into perspective. Talk about tellin ya how it is

 

[CodeRedR51]

There are some new tactics on the leaderboard. Dudes whole car is in the grass and he bounces off the wall between turn 11 and 12.

Yeah, good luck to him keeping that time. Cause it has disqualification written all over it.

 

[GT Motion]

He would cut the track so hard it would make it cry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko94oniszuA

Senna was not competing in a video game championship where this kind of stuff is obviously a bug.

He raced in real life where the race stewards would penalize him for any such nonsense, so saying that Senna would cut the track is irrelevant because it would never be allowed in real motorsports sorry buddy.

The only thing I have seen was when the track was cut at Laguna Seca in the corkscrew and that was very controversial as to why there was no penalty.

 

[GT Motion]

I am not attacking you personally, I just don't see why everyone is so hard on the leaders. After all, that is why they are the leaders. They found something that everyone else hasn't and perfected it. But now that everyone knows about it, its fair game to either duplicate their moves, or find a new line of your own that I'm sure someone else will say is also cheating.

My question to you is, what happens if I duplicate his moves and then my laps, along with his laps get deleted because Sony decided to delete the laps of people who cut the track.

I am now in a dilemma where I either cheat like the others just to try and post a competitive time, or drive normal without cutting and hope that Sony DQ's those bogus laps.

 

[Dapper]

I am now in a dilemma where I either cheat like the others just to try and post a competitive time, or drive normal without cutting and hope that Sony DQ's those bogus laps.

That is not true. A clean lap will still get you in the top 10 nationally... for now.

Yeah, good luck to him keeping that time. Cause it has disqualification written all over it.

Guess what, a new p1 was set using the same awesome move.

 

[Deuce350z]

That is not true. A clean lap will still get you in the top 10 nationally... for now.


Guess what, a new p1 was set using the same awesome move.

Haha, nice! Now that my PS3 is not freezing up, i've ran a 2:50.5 on cape ring, still small improvements to make and i'll get it down to 2:49.xxx - but still nothing to what these guys are doing, unless i want my tires to go beyond the rumble strip.

Looks like i'm currently 44th on the track, but let's see where the standings are in a few weeks when everyone has had a chance to go off roading.

 

[Neenor]

I'm pretty sure that all the top GT Academy laps were validated in the european one. If they felt someone cheated then they were not invited to the finals.

If it was me, I would set the fastest clean lap I could. I'd hate the embarassment of being DQ'd.

 

[Stanley145]

That looked like an accident to me. Sure he meant to dive in there to take the position, but I doubt he thought about cutting the corner like that in the process. It just...happened. Different circumstances I think.

WOW man! Do you own stock in this games outcome? Really man relax,its just a game. Take some of that pent-up aggression and tell us what you would do if you actually won this thing....

P.s. Calm down

 

[CodeRedR51]

WOW man! Do you own stock in this games outcome? Really man relax,its just a game. Take some of that pent-up aggression and tell us what you would do if you actually won this thing....

P.s. Calm down

The contest may be run using a game, but the prize certainly is not.

No way in hell I'm winning this thing, I'm not that good. But I wouldn't have a problem being beat by someone who runs a fast, clean lap. I do have a problem being beaten by someone who cuts corners and uses part of the track that is not the racing surface to wiggle their way to the top.

Big difference between the two. 👍

 

[Stanley145]

The contest may be run using a game, but the prize certainly is not.

No way in hell I'm winning this thing, I'm not that good. But I wouldn't have a problem being beat by someone who runs a fast, clean lap. I do have a problem being beaten by someone who cuts corners and uses part of the track that is not the racing surface to wiggle their way to the top.

Big difference between the two. 👍

My bad I didn't realize all of the people ahead of you where cheating...... Thanks for clearing that up. 👍

 

[xSLOW POKEx]

The contest may be run using a game, but the prize certainly is not.

No way in hell I'm winning this thing, I'm not that good. But I wouldn't have a problem being beat by someone who runs a fast, clean lap. I do have a problem being beaten by someone who cuts corners and uses part of the track that is not the racing surface to wiggle their way to the top.

Big difference between the two. 👍

Dude we get your stand on cheating! You don't have to remind us every other post! We get it you are a very moral person.👍
I just noticed your post count. I guess you can't help it.

 

[CodeRedR51]

My bad I didn't realize all of the people ahead of you where cheating...... Thanks for clearing that up. 👍

That's not what I said. Nice way of twisting my words.

 

[jato4x4]

No way in hell I'm winning this thing, I'm not that good.

Maybe if you would spend half of the time you do in here preaching about "clean" than you would be able to post a top clean lap.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Maybe if you would spend half of the time you do in here preaching about "clean" than you would be able to post a top clean lap.

First of all, my internet will not be activated until tonight. Second, I am at work, unlike some people. Don't spout nonsense unless you know the facts.

 

[blindsidefive0]

First of all, my internet will not be activated until tonight. Second, I am at work, unlike some people. Don't spout nonsense unless you know the facts.

I'm just glad you aren't in my region once your intertubes are finally connected.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I'm just glad you aren't in my region once your intertubes are finally connected.

I honestly don't know how I'm going to do. I ran three laps a couple nights ago in a stock 370Z on Comfort Softs around Tsukuba and managed a mid 1:05. But I don't really like the other two tracks, so it's hard to say.

 

[jato4x4]

If your internet isn't connected how do you even know that there are "dirty" laps? Other than going off of what someone else has said? Talk about nonsense. Also, some people have real jobs. Where they get time off for Christmas.

 

[CodeRedR51]

If your internet isn't connected how do you even know that there are "dirty" laps? Other than going off of what someone else has said? Talk about nonsense

Hearing it from multiple people who can see the laps is more than enough reason to cause a stir. Nonsense it is not.

 

[jato4x4]

So you really have no idea what you are talking about then do you? As you have yet to see any of it first hand. Good luck on your crusade against the "dirty". Hope you enjoy 129th place.

 

[blindsidefive0]

So you really have no idea what you are talking about then do you? As you have yet to see any of it first hand. Good luck on your crusade against the "dirty". Hope you enjoy 129th place.

This seems like more of a philosophical debate at this point anyway - "is it OK to use software glitches to gain an advantage in a competition?"

You don't need specific examples - it's not like any single driver is being called out anyway, just a general discussion about the "ethics" of course cutting.