GT Academy: Fedup with folks who go off the track? Not playing clean?

[CodeRedR51]

Even one of the guys that was hopping over to the pit lane exit on Cape Ring stated it himself that he was doing it before he posted a clean lap that was faster.

Not going to argue with you dude, I'll see if for myself tonight.

 

[blindsidefive0]

Even one of the guys that was hopping over to the pit lane exit on Cape Ring stated it himself that he was doing it before he posted a clean lap that was faster.

Not going to argue with you dude, I'll see if for myself tonight.

I will admit that I posted a lap briefly last night where I slid onto the grass at the pit exit - just got excited and pushed too hard. Luckily within that same session I posted a faster lap by a couple hundredths.

 

[xe2bls]

You guys (Turbo) talk as if YOU WANTED to cut the track, you'd be just as fast. DREAM ON

 

[kmac540]

Exactly what I was thinking Senna would do. "I race to win".

Perfect example of a racer's mindset...

The videogame "trials" stage of this GT Academy are less about proper racing techniques and more about doing what it takes to win. Cape Ring is not a real life track and if all of this "cheating" has not been singled out by PD/Nissan as cheating than quite plainly it is fair.

If you have the mentality to do what it takes to win, they can make a clean, fair race driver out of you. Its the natural skill comnbined with that type A personality that is willing to do what is necessary to win that they are looking for.

I understand that but to get to that point, you first have to win this competition, and I'm just saying that if they think its good enough to win you a spot on a real team, then why wouldn't I try to do whatever will get me to that point?

We're just looking at it differently and I don't believe any of us are going to come to a mutual agreement. Looks like we're going to have to just agree to disagree.

R1600Turbo, not picking on you at all, but if you do end up having quick enough times to compete then you would sorely be missing the boat by not taking the quickest line. At the end of the day I would never miss out on an opportunity because of "the right way" to drive on a race track. If Rahal Letterman Racing (using them because I live in the Columbus, OH area) were to scout a young kart racer and see something special about the way he drives, I doubt they would hesitate to try and develop him purely because he likes to take an incorrect or improper racing line. They would simply think he has what it takes. Period.

Do what it takes to keep up with the fastest or fall behind, that is ultimately racing in a nutshell. Let someone else decide what is a violation and what isn't and I won't lose a wink of sleep if I post a fast time by taking an improper line if it doesn't DQ me.

Just my 2 cents...

 

[CodeRedR51]

You guys (Turbo) talk as if YOU WANTED to cut the track, you'd be just as fast. DREAM ON

How do you know buddy? You don't know how fast I am or could be. Idiots like you make us look slow because of your wild antics. Sure it takes skill to hop around the track like you do, but in the end if we both ran CLEAN laps, I bet the outcome would be a bit different. You are officially on countdown to my ignore list.

R1600Turbo, not picking on you at all, but if you do end up having quick enough times to compete then you would sorely be missing the boat by not taking the quickest line.

My problem, no matter how I or anyone looks at it, that is not a racing "line". It's a pit exit. No more, no less. There's even a patch of grass between the two that confirms my statement.

 

[kmac540]

My problem, no matter how I or anyone looks at it, that is not a racing "line". It's a pit exit. No more, no less. There's even a patch of grass between the two that confirms my statement.

Understood, you've had plenty of posts to drive that point home...

All I'm saying is in the real world if this were a time attack and the official response (or non-response) indicated that was ok to do - you would be wasting efforts if you did anything else. If at the end of the day that was the quickest way around the track and you refused to do it you would only be punishing yourself.


Basically my advice is this:
Race what is fastest and let the "officials" do the officiating. Otherwise you would be much better off being a race team manager - not a driver. Not trying to be overly harsh, just saying simply do what is fastest. If you can't stomach that because of your real life racing roots (which I have as well), I can understand that too. Still missing out on a great opportunity if you let it hang you up...

 

[CodeRedR51]

All I'm saying is in the real world if this were a time attack and the official response (or non-response) indicated that was ok to do - you would be wasting efforts if you did anything else. If at the end of the day that was the quickest way around the track and you refused to do it you would only be punishing yourself.

Basically my advice is this:
Race what is fastest and let the "officials" do the officiating. Otherwise you would be much better off being a race team manager - not a driver. Not trying to be overly harsh, just saying simply do what is fastest. If you can't stomach that because of your real life racing roots (which I have as well), I can understand that too. Still missing out on a great opportunity if you let it hang you up...

I honestly don't think if that were a real track that people would be driving over grass to take the fast line.

I'm just going to run as fast as I can, clean, and let Sony and PD make the decision. If they want grass hoppers and short-cut takers so represent the way they run things, then more power to them.

 

[kmac540]

I honestly don't think if that were a real track that people would be driving over grass to take the fast line.

I'm just going to run as fast as I can, clean, and let Sony and PD make the decision. If they want grass hoppers and short-cut takers so represent the way they run things, then more power to them.

If that was a real life track I would agree, but the section in question would be "real world" faster if you took that line. Not to say you can't keep up if you stay on the actual track, but lets face it - those at the top of the leaderboard do a qhole lot of advanced racing techniques very well throughout the course to get those times. They are not you're average run of the mill cheaters...

Just something to consider when you do watch those replays because there is a lot more to those laps than a tenth or two of "grasshopping."

 

[Deuce350z]

Understood, you've had plenty of posts to drive that point home...

All I'm saying is in the real world if this were a time attack and the official response (or non-response) indicated that was ok to do - you would be wasting efforts if you did anything else. If at the end of the day that was the quickest way around the track and you refused to do it you would only be punishing yourself.


Basically my advice is this:
Race what is fastest and let the "officials" do the officiating. Otherwise you would be much better off being a race team manager - not a driver. Not trying to be overly harsh, just saying simply do what is fastest. If you can't stomach that because of your real life racing roots (which I have as well), I can understand that too. Still missing out on a great opportunity if you let it hang you up...

I understand what you're trying to say, but also understand what we're saying. There's a gap between the two roads filled with grass, judges would not allow this.

 

[Deuce350z]

If that was a real life track I would agree, but the section in question would be "real world" faster if you took that line. Not to say you can't keep up if you stay on the actual track, but lets face it - those at the top of the leaderboard do a qhole lot of advanced racing techniques very well throughout the course to get those times. They are not you're average run of the mill cheaters...

Just something to consider when you do watch those replays because there is a lot more to those laps than a tenth or two of "grasshopping."

I've admitted in previous post that some of the guys on the leaderboards do have skill and are very good. If the rules were too change and grass hoping was not allowed, I would expect a number of those guys to stay at the top.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I've admitted in previous post that some of the guys on the leaderboards do have skill and are very good. If the rules were too change and grass hoping was not allowed, I would expect a number of those guys to stay at the top.

I agree with this, which is why I am confused as to why they are even doing it in the first place.

 

[Choate51]

I agree with this, which is why I am confused as to why they are even doing it in the first place.

Because it is the fastest way through there period! End of story.

 

[Deuce350z]

I agree with this, which is why I am confused as to why they are even doing it in the first place.

Well I think part of the reason is because they want to win, so they will do whatever it takes to get that podium finish, but then guys like us just can't bare the thought of using these tactics because we know it's morally wrong.

I'm holding 44th place with a 2:50.5 lap time that's done completely clean, which I know I can get down to 2:49 and that should get me around 33rd place or so. For now it seems like running clean is going to get you by fine and hopefully Sony/PD gets this issue sorted out for next season.

 

[kmac540]

I've admitted in previous post that some of the guys on the leaderboards do have skill and are very good. If the rules were too change and grass hoping was not allowed, I would expect a number of those guys to stay at the top.

I agree with this, which is why I am confused as to why they are even doing it in the first place.

Not sure if they would have to do it, but for now, it is faster (thanks for chiming in Choate51). My point is it is only .1 at the most (guess) that they are gaining. Better racing line = shorter distance to the next turn. Improper line = faster exit speed, although a slightly longer distance travelled. Not cheating in my opinion because, as you both agreed, they would likely be at the top regardless...

I say roll with the punches and have fun... R1600Turbo / Deuce350z - don't let it ruin the competition for you, get out there and turn in some fast times...

 

[Deuce350z]

Because it is the fastest way through there period! End of story.

Kicking open the side gate and driving straight through the track is also the fastest way around the course, should it be utilized if it was there?

 

[Choate51]

Kicking open the side gate and driving straight through the track is also the fastest way around the course, should it be utilized if it was there?

If an official ain;t there to tell me not to do it, Hell Yes!

 

[Choate51]

I just don't understand how some can't grasp the mentality of some racers. The guys that want to win at any cost will don anything to win. If that means running their own mother off the track, they will do it. If it means shortcuting a chicane "Montoya" they will do it. If that means wrecking the guy in front of them to win the championship they will once again DO IT!

As soon as the switch is turned on, for most drivers they dont give two ****'s about others' feelings.

 

[Deuce350z]

Not sure if they would have to do it, but for now, it is faster (thanks for chiming in Choate51). My point is it is only .1 at the most (guess) that they are gaining. Better racing line = shorter distance to the next turn. Improper line = faster exit speed, although a slightly longer distance travelled. Not cheating in my opinion because, as you both agreed, they would likely be at the top regardless...

I say roll with the punches and have fun... R1600Turbo / Deuce350z - don't let it ruin the competition for you, get out there and turn in some fast times...

No worries there mate, i'm working on setting the fastest/cleanest lap time I can and will be damn proud of it when compared to a grass hopper. I'll keep pushing it to shave off another .1 off my lap time until they take the tournament offline.

 

[SLAPHAPPYFRANKY]

I plan to just wait until the 2nd round and see the tracks change which I hope they do. People using this exploit cant rely on it forever if that happens.

 

[Deuce350z]

I just don't understand how some can't grasp the mentality of some racers. The guys that want to win at any cost will don anything to win. If that means running their own mother off the track, they will do it. If it means shortcuting a chicane "Montoya" they will do it. If that means wrecking the guy in front of them to win the championship they will once again DO IT!

As soon as the switch is turned on, for most drivers they dont give two ****'s about others' feelings.

Who is it that has the true passion for racing? The guy looking to jump the curbs to set the fastest time, or the man who will sit in the car for hours upon days of weeks and months gradually increasing his time to show that you don't have to jump curbs to be fast? practice makes perfect.

 

[Choate51]

I plan to just wait until the 2nd round and see the tracks change which I hope they do. People using this exploit cant rely on it forever if that happens.

Yup, the challenge will change but I'm sure there will be a place to exploit the rules.

 

[kmac540]

Kicking open the side gate and driving straight through the track is also the fastest way around the course, should it be utilized if it was there?

Absolutely - it's called a winners mentality. I'm going to ignore the fact that your statement bares resmeblance to the whole "if everyone else jumped off a bridge..." quote.

If an official ain;t there to tell me not to do it, Hell Yes!

Exactly...

I'll do what is allowed until PD says otherwise. Not trying to argue with anyone here, just trying to give a little bit of wisdom. This competition is clearly about finding the GT5 racer with the most potential. I'm pretty sure those guys at the top would understand how to stay within the bounds once they make it to the final round (IF they do...). I'll be done now, just don't really think its cheating....

Saw lots of Senna references - far and above one of the greatest race car drivers to ever get behind the wheel of those out of control F1 cars of the era. Pretty sure he won a championship by taking out the only person who had a chance to beat him simply by wrecking at the first turn. They both DNF, but Senna still wins the championship. That was cheating. Period. But still priceless and clearly the attitude of a winner. And you would be hard pressed to find a more generous person to have ever raced in F1, a shame he passed away long before he should have...

 

[Choate51]

Who is it that has the true passion for racing? The guy looking to jump the curbs to set the fastest time, or the man who will sit in the car for hours upon days of weeks and months gradually increasing his time to show that you don't have to jump curbs to be fast? practice makes perfect.

They both have a great passion for racing, the former just wants to take home the trophy.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I'll do what is allowed until PD says otherwise. Not trying to argue with anyone here, just trying to give a little bit of wisdom. This competition is clearly about finding the GT5 racer with the most potential.

My problem would be this, although it's a little drastic. What if, say, next week PD and Sony decided to do something about it by disqualifying those people and resetting the leader board. If I were to conform to everyone else and follow the leader (which if you knew me, I don't do) and was completely disqualified from competing in the competition at all, then what would I do?

There's always that chance, even if it sounds unlikely.

 

[Choate51]

what would I do?

If it's the difference between 130th and 120th I do it.

Plus all the officials need to do it look at the replays and delete as they go. But I think they realize that the faster guys will still put a time that will get them to round 2.

 

[kmac540]

My problem would be this, although it's a little drastic. What if, say, next week PD and Sony decided to do something about it by disqualifying those people and resetting the leader board. If I were to conform to everyone else and follow the leader (which if you knew me, I don't do) and was completely disqualified from competing in the competition at all, then what would I do?

There's always that chance, even if it sounds unlikely.

Realistically the lap time is all that would be disqualified - good drivers go off the course or take "creative" lines all the time... Only thing that can disqualify you from the competetion is stated in the official rules...

Its not like these guys are racing head to head and punting people off the track...

 

[Choate51]

Only thing that can disqualify you from the competetion is stated in the official rules..

Use the rules to your advantage is what I have been told all through my life! People are doing the same here. Ask any Patriots fan if the hate Bill Belichick because he cheated? Most will say they didn't like it but boy was it fun to WIN!

 

[CodeRedR51]

Well, as I said, I don't follow the leader very often and this will be one of those cases. I believe it is morally wrong and refuse to do it. End of story.

Edit: and don't start with the "you won't win then, blah, blah" cause I've heard it enough.

 

[kmac540]

Well, as I said, I don't follow the leader very often and this will be one of those cases. I believe it is morally wrong and refuse to do it. End of story.

Edit: and don't start with the "you won't win then, blah, blah" cause I've heard it enough.

"You won't win then, blah, blah".... Just kidding bro.

I get it, I really do... But MORALLY wrong? Come on.


People griped the same way about Chris Rado's front wing on his time attack Scion....

Then they started to follow suit.

 

[CodeRedR51]

There's always a better way. Isn't that what everyone is trying to say here? They conformed, I would find a better way.

Edit: I saw that EG hatch in person a couple months ago.