GT Mode / Arcade mode proportion

[Tedehur]

Further to that poll, we had decided (well, I had decided) that we would run 50% GT mode races and 50% Arcade mode races over the january/february period. What we did.

So the question is, do we keep this 50/50 proportion or do you prefer something else ?

 

[SHigSpeed]

More GT! :^)

Of course 50/50 is pretty reasonable I think.

-Scott

 

[Tyre King]

Hey, No fair!

We can't check out who's voted what.

Choice or chance?

Neil

 

[Tedehur]

Hey, No fair!

We can't check out who's voted what.

Choice or chance?

Neil

Nope.
I was expecting people to vote and then give some more details about their opinion in the thread.

Things like "I'd rather have 70% Arcade and 30% GT as we used to have", or "50/50 is OK, but why does it have to be full modded most of the time ?", or whatever.
I voted myself that I like the 50/50 proportion.

 

[Smallhorses]

Personally I'd prefer more arcade stuff, and not necessarily fully modded, some stock races in slower cars are always fun since it's harder to scrape off time in a battle to maintain momentum.
This weeks race is a good example of running without oodles of extra power while still being fun! (and very challenging!)

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

only reason i like fully modded arcade races, are because the times are then submittable in the gtrp.de database

 

[Casio]

I prefer more arcade mode. It gets more people in, everyone has the exact same car as the next person.

 

[SHigSpeed]

I prefer more arcade mode. It gets more people in, everyone has the exact same car as the next person.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... Sure it's the same car, but we're talking another layer of skill which we can use to level the playing field.

If you want pure apples to apples, you'd have to have a time limited, single controller type, arcade mode race with no discussion.

BUT, I know where you're coming from...

I just find tuning fun and to my advantage most of the time.

Bring it!

-SHig

 

[Casio]

Well, take week 42 as an example. It Zikwik had not had posted this settings, he would of won that week by over a second, not purely based on his ability (He's quick, but not that quick).

I personally think it should just be an even playing field. Like I've said before, 90% of people just use hol01's or someone like set-up anyway, so unless you really want a car to have massive power upgrades and what not, I don't see the need to use GT mode.

I can see the other side, that tuning is also a skill that's part of what makes the GT series great. But I sort of feel that's not what WRS is about, spending all week moving sliders back and forth. I just want to know that if I'm faster then someone, it's solely based on my ability to get around the track faster then he/she is, in the same machinery.

 

[MisterWeary]

Well, take week 42 as an example. It Zikwik had not had posted this settings, he would of won that week by over a second, not purely based on his ability (He's quick, but not that quick).

I personally think it should just be an even playing field. Like I've said before, 90% of people just use hol01's or someone like set-up anyway, so unless you really want a car to have massive power upgrades and what not, I don't see the need to use GT mode.

I can see the other side, that tuning is also a skill that's part of what makes the GT series great. But I sort of feel that's not what WRS is about, spending all week moving sliders back and forth. I just want to know that if I'm faster then someone, it's solely based on my ability to get around the track faster then he/she is, in the same machinery.

Awesome post Casio...couldn't agree more!!! Particularly your point about ZikWik's Week 42.

 

[TheWizard]

Arcade Mode races are nicer for two reasons.

Since I don't want to sound repetitive, these reasons are mentioned by Curtis and Casio (sorry, I don't know your first name and I really doubt it is MacGyver ).

Hence my vote: more Arcade Mode races 👍

The Wizard.

 

[ferrari_chris]

I prefer arcade.

I'm no expert at setting up a car, so I think that arcade mode helps to bring the competition together.

That way I know I'm the difference between my times and those of holl01 - not the fact that I'm using an inferior car.

 

[holl01]

i would prefer something like 1/5 races to be gtmode
so thats a 80/20 ratio.

I found arcade way more enjoyable, as lots of the variables from gtmode r removed, so u can focus more on ur driving, and not have this added responsibility to manage ur setup/oil change, which takes time, and isnt very exciting

 

[SHigSpeed]

Well, take week 42 as an example. It Zikwik had not had posted this settings, he would of won that week by over a second, not purely based on his ability (He's quick, but not that quick).

I personally think it should just be an even playing field. Like I've said before, 90% of people just use hol01's or someone like set-up anyway, so unless you really want a car to have massive power upgrades and what not, I don't see the need to use GT mode.

I can see the other side, that tuning is also a skill that's part of what makes the GT series great. But I sort of feel that's not what WRS is about, spending all week moving sliders back and forth. I just want to know that if I'm faster then someone, it's solely based on my ability to get around the track faster then he/she is, in the same machinery.

Well, using holl01's setup may work for some, but I've NEVER been fast using anyone else's setup. OTOH, most go super sucky slow using mine, so I KNOW for a fact that my personal setup parameters are very different from many if not most others.

And since people like Zik and holl are sporting enough to offer their setups every time (and I'll do it as well if anyone cares to try to tame my beasts), then at least you know that you'll have the setup for the inevitable winner anyway so in the end it will still for the most part be a test of driving skill.

That said, I rarely find an arcade car with a setup I like. Yellowbird was close though, as is this week's RX. Obviously I like oversteering tendencies.

That said, it does seem like some prefer the "straight driving skill" test, whereas some like the additional challenge of setup or some that NEED to modify the arcade settings to be able to have a car suit their style.

I guess that's why we do both in WRS. I like 50/50. I'd like 100% GT, but I'll race even if it was back to 33% GT, not as happy, but I'll stay. 100% arcade? I'm out.

I still will submit a time regardless of whether I'm doing well or not though. Still only have missed one week (Infineon, Superbird, Arcade - think I was out of town or something...).

-SHig

 

[Tedehur]

With almost 60% of voters preferring more Arcade races, it looks like I'll change my plans and post an arcade race next tuesday... unless the GT mode fans vote massively this week-end

@Matteo : Casio's profile shows an Instant Messenger address which looks like it contains a clue about what his first name is

 

[TheWizard]

@Matteo : Casio's profile shows an Instant Messenger address which looks like it contains a clue about what his first name is

Stupid me for looking only in the obvious place

The Wizard.

 

[SHigSpeed]

Come on everyone! If you're happy with the status-quo, vote! If you want more GT, VOTE! If you want more arcade, LOOK AT THE MONKEY! EEK EEK! (heh...).

-SHig

 

[Casio]

Since I don't want to sound repetitive, these reasons are mentioned by Curtis and Casio (sorry, I don't know your first name and I really doubt it is MacGyver ).

Aparently I used to look like MacGyver when I was younger. My uncle still calls me that; the rest of my family 'Big B'. I get confused when people refer to people here by their actual name. I always go by usernames, except for Flat-Out, who is Flat-O, for no other reason then to attempt to annoy him ever so slightly .

Well, using holl01's setup may work for some, but I've NEVER been fast using anyone else's setup. OTOH, most go super sucky slow using mine, so I KNOW for a fact that my personal setup parameters are very different from many if not most others.

And since people like Zik and holl are sporting enough to offer their setups every time (and I'll do it as well if anyone cares to try to tame my beasts), then at least you know that you'll have the setup for the inevitable winner anyway so in the end it will still for the most part be a test of driving skill.

I agree with that. There should be some GT Mode races, but maybe we shouldn't allow set-up posting? I think what scares people away the most is that they don't know how to tune the car. Sure, people can just use Hol's set-up or whatever, but like you said, maybe people are just disadvantaging themselves by using a set-up that's not right for them.

Maybe if we made a rule to ban set-up posting, people would develop their own set-up skills, and then they wouldn't be so put off by GT Mode races. Or maybe even less people would race them then now...

 

[Small_Fryz]

Dont ban setup posting, thats how we learn, we can try different ones and see which fits us the best, and then slightly tweak each one.

I personally dont mind a great deal. I'll probably stick with 50/50. If i want arcade races, I'll jump ship and head over to gtrp, they have at least 2 official arcade combo's going on, sometimes more.

 

[Tedehur]

...except for Flat-Out, who is Flat-O, for no other reason then to attempt to annoy him ever so slightly .

Do you prefer the Mighty Red Tick of Doom or an instant demotion to div 3 ?



Cyril (my real first name) is definitely what I prefer to be called. Flat-out sounds stupid but that's the name most people here know, Flat-O or whatever comes to your mind is fine too as long as it is clear that it means me.



Edit :
New race posted in advance... Arcade as promised to the 11 who voted 'more arcade' here.

 

[fasj6418]

Well, take week 42 as an example. It Zikwik had not had posted this settings, he would of won that week by over a second, not purely based on his ability (He's quick, but not that quick).

I personally think it should just be an even playing field. Like I've said before, 90% of people just use hol01's or someone like set-up anyway, so unless you really want a car to have massive power upgrades and what not, I don't see the need to use GT mode.

I can see the other side, that tuning is also a skill that's part of what makes the GT series great. But I sort of feel that's not what WRS is about, spending all week moving sliders back and forth. I just want to know that if I'm faster then someone, it's solely based on my ability to get around the track faster then he/she is, in the same machinery.

if he didn´t posted his settings i would had won that week...

but

hehe, nothing against posting settings, but it would be my first win if it wasen´t for that...

well i voted for more GT races... this arcade thing looks like something from GT4 only... i can´t remember racing without tuning in previous GT´s... drive an understeary car without being able to change that really pisses me off...

also, must be some kind of a old school thing... we would be having this discussion if polyphony hadn´t changed the way arcade mode works...

we will probably go to a rate of 60 or 65% of arcade, and if it is what people want, just give them... but i still hope the GT lovers show up here and vote for us.

but if we are doing more arcade, then please, lets run with race cars. arcade mode + a stupid normal car with a bad setup = 🤬

 

[Small_Fryz]

if he didn´t posted his settings i would had won that week...

Thats what i really liked about Hugo Boss and Holl01. Even when they are winning, they always post their settings. Which for Dan means curtis, and veil when he raced would get them and a have a good chance to win, yet knowing this Dan still posts them. And Hugo always had Tannis or Mr P close on his tail back in GT3 yet every week without fail he would post his setups and always willing to type up some walkthroughs and tips when ever asked.

These guys get a lot of respect from me for doing this.

 

[oldphart]

tossing in my .02 worth

I'm new around here, so sort of a fresh look if you would.

I've enjoyed the 50/50 these past few weeks 👍
One reason is that when set-ups are posted, I get to see where I am in comparisson to those. It's helped my learning curve Learning what adjustments do to the car. As I've posted in the past. I couldn't jump into Holo's set-up and complete a lap LOL ... but kept adjusting the car towards his set up. Always was just a little off, but within the same ballpark .... It's a new aspect of the game for me, settings.

GT mode for me was a bit intimidating at the start seeing the times posted and what I was running But it was a part of the reason I wanted to join.

The arcade side gives me time with everyone, heads-up
Equal cars, same set-ups, less time fiddiling with things. My feedback has come with the postings you all have shared 👍

The 50/50 has been what I've known as the "norm", thus my vote for it.
It's been quite a learning curve

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

understeer fransico, is caused mostly because you are turning in too quickly causing the understeer ~ something that is caused by using the ds2!

but you counter the understeer, by creating oversteer on the entry
simple as that, alot easier to do with the ds2 as well

understeer is not a problem..........................................................

 

[Smallhorses]

but if we are doing more arcade, then please, lets run with race cars. arcade mode + a stupid normal car with a bad setup = 🤬

I totally disagree, since not everyone has had the time to complete the game and therefore unlock all the race cars, I think more normal cars are better, and more fun to drive since shaving time off in such a combo gets trickier as you approach your limits.
Though I'm not suggesting we should all be doing laps of the Test Course in the '63 Daihatsu Midget!

I know there's an ubersave option, but..... I stand by my decision not to use it!

 

[Iceman]

I agree there shouldn't be all race cars, but some road cars in arcade mode just suck Stuff like the NSX and the S2000's are perfect for arcade mode but 4 wheel drive cars and stuff like the speed 12 just aren't arcade friendly cars. I think it's all down to the steward finding a good car/track combo for me, not so much which mode it is in.

 

[fasj6418]

Thats what i really liked about Hugo Boss and Holl01. Even when they are winning, they always post their settings. Which for Dan means curtis, and veil when he raced would get them and a have a good chance to win, yet knowing this Dan still posts them. And Hugo always had Tannis or Mr P close on his tail back in GT3 yet every week without fail he would post his setups and always willing to type up some walkthroughs and tips when ever asked.

These guys get a lot of respect from me for doing this.

i know, it sounded bad on my post. i write that laughing...
but not that i was using a secret setup, my setups are always different than anyone else, never worked for anyone... i still don´t know why...

even though i rarely use, it is a 👍 act to post their settings... i guess its a thing of winning without having any advantage, which is honorable:tup:

 

[fasj6418]

understeer fransico, is caused mostly because you are turning in too quickly causing the understeer ~ something that is caused by using the ds2!

but you counter the understeer, by creating oversteer on the entry
simple as that, alot easier to do with the ds2 as well

understeer is not a problem..........................................................

yes, those are the times that i really hate my DS2...

also if you play with both analog sticks like me, makes the understear thing worst...

i did try a cheap asian wheel, made from naki software...

well, it didn´t work with gt
so i have to stick with the DS2 and its problems for another months...👎

 

[SHigSpeed]

Francisco,

That two stick style definitely kills you for weeks like this one at Clubman's reverse and last at la Sarthe where you want full throttle and a feather of stabilizing brake. Maybe you could remap your DS2 to allow you to keep full throttle on the stick and brake with R2? Don't know what you'd do for NOS weeks, maybe L2?

Anyway, learn the buttons or get a wheel! :^)

-SHig

 

[SHigSpeed]

Cyril,

I noticed that you caved to the "more arcade" minority! Just because more people want more arcad than more GT, you have to put the "Just Fine" into the mix.

Think of it this way, if you do more arcade, you disappoint all the more GT folks PLUS the "Just Fine" folks. As of now, 13 like it fine, if not want more GT, and only 11 are unhappy and want more arcade.

Wouldn't that be a firm vote to keep it at 50/50 and appease the most people?

Just my POV.

-SHig