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I've probably said it before in this very thread but what happened to GT3 being sticking a big rear wing on supercars
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That was GT1
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There is a need for a top level GT series, if it's not GT3 then fine.
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GTE should get an independent world championship. They're the top level of GT right now. I'm surprised the FIA/ACO hasn't considered a sprint world championship for GTE. Then again GTE is really the "GT Endurance" class isn't it?
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That and they cost almost 3 times more then a GT3
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That is on its way, sort of.We should take all the factory supported GT3 teams and put them in their own world championship.
Top level? Maybe in terms of money spent. The laptimes between GT3 and GTE are very similar. Within a second similar.
Silverstone 2015 fastest lap of the winning car
McLaren 650 S GT3 2:02.971
Ferrari F458 Italia GTE 2'01.586
Spa-Francorchamps 2015 fastest lap of the winning car
BMW Z4 GT3 2:18.751
Aston Martin Vantage V8 GTE 2'19.189
Nürburgring 2015 fastest lap of the winning car
McLaren 650 S GT3 1:56.738
Porsche 911 RSR GTE 1'55.798
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Which is why the system is an utter mess.
Why should GTE teams spend ridiculous amounts of money on ground-up racing cars, fielded with some of the best drivers in the world, when a businessman with a bit of cash to fling can buy a car for half the price and be as fast (if not even faster)? What logic is there behind that?
The GTE changes can't come soon enough. It's a backwards system.
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I hope so. At the same time, GT3 cars are probably faster aswell.
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I know, hence why I referenced them?
What makes you think anyone here isn't aware of this? A GT car has to have some degree of road car, no matter how small, to be a GT car.
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Which has scored a Pole position and a 2nd overall in the VLN rounds at the 'ringAnd then there's the Lexus.............
Not bad in its slow, 'unfinished' form.You know, I dont get the big deal on gt3's. If you dont want them being/looking like race cars, why are they race cars? I think theyre spectacular. The '3' in their title is just a moniker. It means little. GT2 became GTE, GT1 is gone and GT3 has held its name but evolved. If you like gt cars with a minimal mods like a little wing, you can try that Continental Sportscar series. GT3 are street cars heavily modified to race cars. I think people have a problem with it because the original GT3 was much simpler. Buut you know what, times change. Maybe the name should too. Perhaps then they can run the current gt4's. But in a few years, people will still misunderstand what gt is because a silly ruleset (or lack thereof).
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GT4 is starting to become old GT3 by the looks of some of the cars lol.
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Some interesting evolutions FIA's GT regs have gone through.
GT3 in 2009:
GT3 in 2013:
Granted it was two different contructors, but it was two different regs as well and look at how different they turned out.
I've always wondered if GT1's demise is what caused this. When you think about it, this is technically the second time the GTE cars have gotten another increase in power and dimensions because the ACO did something similar in 2012 I believe by allowing the GTE cars to have a wider Track.
GT3 in 2009:
GT3 in 2013:
Granted it was two different contructors, but it was two different regs as well and look at how different they turned out.
I've always wondered if GT1's demise is what caused this. When you think about it, this is technically the second time the GTE cars have gotten another increase in power and dimensions because the ACO did something similar in 2012 I believe by allowing the GTE cars to have a wider Track.
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This is why I prefer motorsports where the cars still have look/stature of their street cars. Lost interest in NASCAR a while ago, don't really pay much attention to anything higher than GT4 (I do follow Nissan related teams though). Sure V8Supercars are on a common chassis but the cars still look like their road cars with an aggressive stance and not much aero added other than a large rear spoiler and a couple minor changes to the front end. That 2009 GT3 Ford GT looks the part of an aggressive street car, the 2013 car looks like it was made by a NASCAR team.
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http://m.speedcafe.com/2015/09/28/lexus-opts-against-gen2-v8-supercars-effort/
Get that thing ready for the 12h
Get that thing ready for the 12h
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I think the Am element that has always been a part of GT3's structure is part of the reason why the cars are so fast.
They've consistently worked to make the cars easier to drive for amateur drivers, thus when a Pro driver gets behind the wheel, we see these lightning fast times.
While GTE is much the same way (focused around the Amateur element), they have to design the cars around regulations that have Le Mans in mind, not to mention stricter engine size regulations, thus the slower cars up until next year.
I think the biggest issue GT3 is going to face is the influx of used GT3 machinery taking away some of the bottom end of their customers, who might opt to drive older cars in smaller series if it proves to be more affordable for those rich guys who actually budget their money. It'll be interesting to see how some series handle the possibility of including or excluding older cars in their series. Australian GT and VLN are two good examples of welcome adopters to older GT3 cars.
Anyways, I bring all this common-sense rambling nonsense up to justify why we've seen the evolutions to GT3 that we have. The current cars just work better to their target demographic.
They've consistently worked to make the cars easier to drive for amateur drivers, thus when a Pro driver gets behind the wheel, we see these lightning fast times.
While GTE is much the same way (focused around the Amateur element), they have to design the cars around regulations that have Le Mans in mind, not to mention stricter engine size regulations, thus the slower cars up until next year.
I think the biggest issue GT3 is going to face is the influx of used GT3 machinery taking away some of the bottom end of their customers, who might opt to drive older cars in smaller series if it proves to be more affordable for those rich guys who actually budget their money. It'll be interesting to see how some series handle the possibility of including or excluding older cars in their series. Australian GT and VLN are two good examples of welcome adopters to older GT3 cars.
Anyways, I bring all this common-sense rambling nonsense up to justify why we've seen the evolutions to GT3 that we have. The current cars just work better to their target demographic.
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New GT4
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V12's bonnet looks good on it. 👍New GT4
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Hope he's ok the driver's side looks missing
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