GT Sport Is Not GT7.

[Shirrako]

Many people are confused with what GT Sport is, I've seen trailers of the game on YouTube with the name "GT7 Prologue", which is quite worrying as it will confuse the casual consumer.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Clearly you haven't played GT6 or you wouldn't suggest there is a "complete lack of it".

Ah, you're going to count painting cars and adding a few (predetermined) number plates, then.

Perhaps we have different copies of GT6.

 

[Aussie_HSV]

Ah, you're going to count painting cars and adding a few (predetermined) number plates, then.

Perhaps we have different copies of GT6.

Your bias toward FM has been noted.
And your bias against GT similarly.

This is where the management of GTPlanet have it wrong.
Be a moderator.
Moderate according to the rules.
And do so via PM.

To allow 'moderators' to post general thoughts using their moderator user names is a poor decision from management.
Forumers get to know moderators preferences.
And the line of what should be a private conversation between moderators and forumers quickly becomes blurred.
As does faith in moderation.

Sure, allow moderators to post, but under a different user name.
To have moderators actively posting their opinions in general chat on threads is fraught with danger.
And to start arguments with forumers is poor form.

@SlipZtrEm, perhaps you should be more focused on a recent post using "P$3", (knowing how you hate forumers using M$) than worried about arguing with me about GT6 customisation.


Do what you want.
Ban me, lock the account, whatever.

The failure of this website to moderate it's moderators is it's single biggest failing.
And a major factor of the toxic environment here at GTP.

 

[Samus]

Your bias toward FM has been noted.
And your bias against GT similarly.

This is where the management of GTPlanet have it wrong.
Be a moderator.
Moderate according to the rules.
And do so via PM.

To allow 'moderators' to post general thoughts using their moderator user names is a poor decision from management.
Forumers get to know moderators preferences.
And the line of what should be a private conversation between moderators and forumers quickly becomes blurred.
As does faith in moderation.

Sure, allow moderators to post, but under a different user name.
To have moderators actively posting their opinions in general chat on threads is fraught with danger.
And to start arguments with forumers is poor form.

@SlipZtrEm, perhaps you should be more focused on a recent post using "P$3", (knowing how you hate forumers using M$) than worried about arguing with me about GT6 customisation.


Do what you want.
Ban me, lock the account, whatever.

The failure of this website to moderate it's moderators is it's single biggest failing.
And a major factor of the toxic environment here at GTP.

Sorry but that is utterly stupid. You won't find any forum in the world where moderators aren't allowed to express their opinions as freely as anyone else. Why on earth would they have to post in another username? As long as they stick to the rules like everyone else what is the problem? They are users of the board just like anyone else, the only difference is they also moderate the board.

 

[Earth]

So if GT Sports has beyond that we can expect your return to eat humble pie?
Or will you simply hide in the shadows, and forget your prediction?

That would be the best humble pie I ever ate

 

[cutmeamango]

Ah, you're going to count painting cars and adding a few (predetermined) number plates, then.

Perhaps we have different copies of GT6.

He is not wrong, objectively and even subjectively, though. You'd have to determine a new definition for "livery editor" to deem a "complete lack of".

Sorry but that is utterly stupid. You won't find any forum in the world where moderators aren't allowed to express their opinions as freely as anyone else. Why on earth would they have to post in another username? As long as they stick to the rules like everyone else what is the problem? They are users of the board just like anyone else, the only difference is they also moderate the board.

That's a really old catch of power dynamics. Who watches the watchmen and all that. GTPlanet and a bunch of forums are privately owned though so any incongruencies are the owners' business and theirs only. Users (unless paying for a service) can either accept that (agreeing or not with any issue) or move on and stop accessing that website.

 

[Samus]

The administrators (and owners) watch the watchmen. They appoint the moderators to watch over the forums, and to enforce the rules that they set out. That is the job of a moderator, beyond that they are users just like me and you. To suggest they shouldn't post any opinions or general thoughts in their own name is frankly ludicrous.

 

[Aussie_HSV]

Sorry but that is utterly stupid. You won't find any forum in the world where moderators aren't allowed to express their opinions as freely as anyone else. Why on earth would they have to post in another username? As long as they stick to the rules like everyone else what is the problem? They are users of the board just like anyone else, the only difference is they also moderate the board.

You can't be serious.

Moderators on other forums do exactly that ... moderate.
With no bias, no consideration of their personal preferences, simply moderate.
And if possible, which is almost always, do so via PM.

The last thing they do is involve themselves in arguments.
Let alone instigate them.

 

[Samus]

You can't be serious.

Moderators on other forums do exactly that ... moderate.
With no bias, no consideration of their personal preferences, simply moderate.
And if possible, which is almost always, do so via PM.

The last thing they do is involve themselves in arguments.
Let alone instigate them.

We obviously visit very different message boards then. I'm not sure why anyone would want a role like that personally.

 

[ImaRobot]

You can't be serious.

Moderators on other forums do exactly that ... moderate.
With no bias, no consideration of their personal preferences, simply moderate.
And if possible, which is almost always, do so via PM.

The last thing they do is involve themselves in arguments.
Let alone instigate them.

You can't be serious.

And he is still doing exactly that. His opinion on a subject has nothing to do with moderation. If you want to go overboard with your reaction that is no fault of his and that is solely yours. I don't understand how you think because he posted an opinion, it some how takes away from that fact.

I've yet to encounter one single forum, where the staff do not post there own opinions on matters. As if its against some sort of rules.

What a ridiculous statement, to think that someone shouldn't be allowed to talk, because they are in a position of power.

 

[Aussie_HSV]

We obviously visit very different message boards then. I'm not sure why anyone would want a role like that personally.

It's called being a moderator.

I question a fellow forumers point.

The response is from a moderator arguing that point.

Moderate ... argue ... ?
Make a choice.

Their job is to moderate.
Not to choose sides.

 

[Samus]

It's called being a moderator.

I question a fellow forumers point.

The response is from a moderator arguing that point.

Moderate ... argue ... ?
Make a choice.

So if for arguments sake this forum was like that and you were made a moderator here tomorrow, you would cease posting any opinions and you would come here solely to read and moderate? How dull would that be?

There does not need to be a choice. Moderators are here to post and share opinions as much as anyone else, it's a discussion board. They're not paid to do what they do, why would they stick around solely to just moderate?

Slip is a "fellow forumer" just as much as the person you questioned is.

 

[Tornado]

This spirited discussion about moderator objectivity would carry a bit more weight if it wasn't coming from someone who immediately brought it up to change the subject from an argument that wasn't going well for him.

So "Top Gear Content" means what exactly?

A selection of racing events and challenges that were inspired by/lifted from Top Gear, as well as a couple of Reasonably Priced Cars from Top Gear and contributions/commentary from all three hosts of Top Gear.

A "Full livery editor" in comparison to what? (NFS?)

In comparison to nearly everything else on the market, actually. The only games with functionality more obviously extensive are the PC titles that let you just export textures directly for editing.

"Full online mode" ,,, What does that even mean?

It had online functionality (at launch) a bit more advanced than games from two decades ago. Matchmaking, for example.

Did GT6 not have a "full online mode"?

Arguably not since it was and continues to be lacking popular functionality that GT5 had even after (eventually) adding some things of its own, but it's curious you were so quick to bring up GT6 when he wasn't even talking about it.

And to start arguments with forumers is poor form.

The last thing they do is involve themselves in arguments.
Let alone instigate them.

The argument he instigated by posting 90 minutes after you started arguing with Earth? That argument?

 

[Aussie_HSV]

It's called being a moderator.

I question a fellow forumers point.

The response is from a moderator arguing that point.

Moderate ... argue ... ?
Make a choice.

Their job is to moderate.
Not to choose sides.

Forget it.

Why bother to come here to talk about a game I like, only to ever be involved in arguments?

Seriously, why would I bother?

I come here to talk to like-minded players of a game.
All I ever get is an argument.
All I ever see of other forumers is an argument.

But hey, the moderation of this site is top-notch.
Never involve themselves.
Never include themselves into the argument.

Kinda thought this was a place to talk about GT.
Clearly this is a place to come to to argue about GT.

Forget it.
Why bother?
I'm out.

 

[ImaRobot]

It's called being a moderator.

I question a fellow forumers point.

The response is from a moderator arguing that point.

Moderate ... argue ... ?
Make a choice.

Their job is to moderate.
Not to choose sides.

And moderation can still be done while posting personal opinions. I fail to see how this is a problem, and it just looks to be like your just throwing toys because he is going against your opinion.

Arguing, or agreeing, its all the same thing. Just discussion.

 

[Samus]

Forget it.

Why bother to come here to talk about a game I like, only to ever be involved in arguments?

Seriously, why would I bother?

I come here to talk to mind-liked players of a game.
All I ever get is an argument.
All I ever see of other forumers is an argument.

Kinda thought this was a place to talk about GT.
Clearly this is a place to come to to argue about GT.

Forget it.
Why bother?
I'm out.

But you started this "argument". Why not just ignore Earth's post?

 

[Shirrako]

You can't be serious.

Moderators on other forums do exactly that ... moderate.
With no bias, no consideration of their personal preferences, simply moderate.
And if possible, which is almost always, do so via PM.

The last thing they do is involve themselves in arguments.
Let alone instigate them.

Moderator has 1 job, to moderate, but they also should have fun and interact with other members, many moderators/Admins such as daan, Famine, Jordan,PASM and many others (too many of you great mods out there!).
However this one certain mod we're having an arguement about hasn't really shown any reason why the name tag "moderator" has been given to him/her, haven't seen any closed spam threads recently with the last post belonging to this one certain mod.

I'm sure the Admin team had a reason for making this decision, I may be wrong, but I don't consider a mod that doesn't do his/her job as a mod, so let's just see him/her as a fellow member and not judge this person based on the staff team's decision.

Let's drop this arguement now, we're here to talk about the upcoming Gran Turismo.

Back on topic, GT Sport Beta hopefully comes out shortly after PS VR so we can have a quick preview and give feedback regarding out VR experience so the final game will give us a better experience

 

[ImaRobot]

Moderator has 1 job, to moderate, but they also should have fun and interact with other members, many moderators/Admins such as daan, Famine, Jordan,PASM and many others (too many of you great mods out there!).
However this one certain mod we're having an arguement about hasn't really shown any reason why the name tag "moderator" has been given to him/her, haven't seen any closed spam threads recently with the last post belonging to this one certain mod.

I'm sure the Admin team had a reason for making this decision, I may be wrong, but I don't consider a mod that doesn't do his/her job as a mod, so let's just see him/her as a fellow member and not judge this person based on the staff team's decision.

Let's drop this arguement now, we're here to talk about the upcoming Gran Turismo.

Back on topic, GT Sport Beta hopefully comes out shortly after PS VR so we can have a quick preview and give feedback regarding out VR experience.

The problem with that is you have 0(zero!) knowledge of who does what, so lets not try to pretend.

"Wall of hate" "ok now lets drop it, because I'm done."

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Your bias toward FM has been noted.
And your bias against GT similarly.

This is where the management of GTPlanet have it wrong.
Be a moderator.
Moderate according to the rules.
And do so via PM.

To allow 'moderators' to post general thoughts using their moderator user names is a poor decision from management.
Forumers get to know moderators preferences.
And the line of what should be a private conversation between moderators and forumers quickly becomes blurred.
As does faith in moderation.

Sure, allow moderators to post, but under a different user name.
To have moderators actively posting their opinions in general chat on threads is fraught with danger.
And to start arguments with forumers is poor form.

@SlipZtrEm, perhaps you should be more focused on a recent post using "P$3", (knowing how you hate forumers using M$) than worried about arguing with me about GT6 customisation.


Do what you want.
Ban me, lock the account, whatever.

The failure of this website to moderate it's moderators is it's single biggest failing.
And a major factor of the toxic environment here at GTP.

How about control your bias? It's ironic people see some of the mods (I'd say half) who help run this place with @Jordan, and expect them to outright support GT/PD with no falter, but they dont. As if their end game is to make sure that GT isn't at all slighted or if so at least not take part in the criticism. This is a fundamental error on those people who one, are overly zealous about a company who builds games and at the end of the day sells millions and really only sees you as another number. So why you'd think it is okay to get mad at a mod for their support or lack of it, is beyond many of us who see them as actual humans with opinions that we may like or dislike. In the end it's far more refreshing to see someone like @Scaff or @SlipZtrEm talk about the various car games in depth and explain their dislike or like, rather than just sit ideal and break up flaming or silly fights in threads and not take part in conversation.

These mods follow the rules and know them better than anyone, and perhaps you should refresh on what the AUP is cause it doesn't say anywhere to be true and loyal to GT and only GT.

 

[Samus]

In short if you have any issues with any moderators you talk to the admin about it. Not attack them in public.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Don't exactly see any "Excuses" being made for that comment, unless its you being Cynical as usual.

Naw. Just poking some fun at it. That's sometimes the excuse so I jumped at it, for fun.

 

[Johnnypenso]

The problem with that is you have 0(zero!) knowledge of who does what, so lets not try to pretend.

"Wall of hate" "ok now lets drop it, because I'm done."

Don't you love those posts? "I'm going on a long rant about something which I have no knowledge of, now everyone else stop talking about it". Do people not even read what they wrote?

 

[Shirrako]

Don't you love those posts? "I'm going on a long rant about something which I have no knowledge of, now everyone else stop talking about it". Do people not even read what they wrote?

I made a valid statement by expressing my opinion regarding a certain mod, though I do agree that it's quite a foolish thing to argue about which is why I won't discuss it any further.

Yeah, i love these posts.

 

[ImaRobot]

I made a valid statement by expressing my opinion regarding a certain mod, though I do agree that it's quite a foolish arguement which is why I decided to not get into further detail and dropped the arguement.

Yeah, i love these posts.

I'm failing to recognize anything valid there, care to point it out?

As far as the topic is concerned, I'm not one bit bothered by the name. I'm more worried if it's going to be a full fledged game or not, regardless of the focus or point of the game.

 

[Terronium-12]

On a serious note, do not discuss matters to which you're not privy to. It makes you and everyone you're conversing with look foolish.

Let's all drop it and continue with the discussion at hand, Gran Turismo Sport. 👍

 

[Johnnypenso]

Tree'd by a mod...doing his job

 

[Shirrako]

Tree'd by a mod...doing his job

Prove me wrong then? I'd love to be proven wrong since I think most mods are amazing on this forum, I had a look around the forum's locked threads and others, saw nothing being done by this moderator, my opinion can be incorrect, never did state it as a fact, so if you indeed find topics where this mod has proven to be take action against anything, I'll give you a like.
Terronium-12 is a great mod and journalist, and I agree with him, drop the whole thing or PM me with some proof, thanks and good luck!

Back on Topic, Fans are confused regarding what GT Sport is, some say it's a Free to play, some say online only, some say prologue.
I'm quite worried the sales may suffer due to this issue, unless PD/Sony gets in detail regarding what the game truly is.

 

[TokoTurismo]

On a serious note, do not discuss matters to which you're not privy to. It makes you and everyone you're conversing with look foolish.

Let's all drop it and continue with the discussion at hand, Gran Turismo Sport. 👍

I'll help with that! Who here is happy that GTS is not GT7, but at the same time are depressed that it wasn't GT7?

 

[ImaRobot]

Prove me wrong then? I'd love to be proven wrong since I think most mods are amazing on this forum, I had a look around the forum's locked threads and others, saw nothing being done by this moderator, my opinion can be incorrect, never did state it as a fact, so if you indeed find topics where this mod has proven to be take action against anything, I'll give you a like.
Terronium-12 is a great mod and journalist, and I agree with him, drop the whole thing or PM me with some proof, thanks and good luck!

Back on Topic, Fans are confused regarding what GT Sport is, some say it's a Free to play, some say online only, some say prologue.
I'm quite worried the sales may suffer due to this issue, unless PD/Sony gets in detail regarding what the game truly is.

You obviously didn't look very hard, or at all, or you just stay isolated in one forum to long. The fact that you are pretending to know whats going when you have absolutely no way to prove it is ridiculous. You keep saying to drop it but you keep bringing it back up. So why not just drop it if you keep telling others too?

Nothing will suffer as of yet, as it's just literally been announced. If people judge based on the little to no info we have already, then that's on them. Once more gets released, then the articles will flood in, so its not like the ones that previously thought that are going to be stuck on that opinion.

 

[Shirrako]

I'll help with that! Who here is happy that GTS is not GT7, but at the same time are worried that GT7 maybe be gone MIA?

Quite happy, the older GT game on the same system is usually over-shadowed by a newer one with all the improvements, so if PD now makes a GT Sport and main GT on each system, both games could stay fresh and appeal to different audiences.

Sadly we don't know too much about GTS