GT Sport Reviews

[GENERALSAVANT]

Not to interrupt this volley match... but I must say the amazon ratings for GTS look terrible.

 

[ImaRobot]

Because they just might have different opinion on it? It's like: Go read it and make up your own mind about the stuff you read. It is entirely your choice whether to believe it or not.

I'd have a hard time giving someone advice to trust something that I know for a fact to be untrustworthy. I would just tell them to wait and see what happens at that point, to be honest.

Agree to disagree.

Laughable. You don't get to decide what people do or don't understand. I got what you were saying, I just didn't agree with the way you went about it.

 

[Skiddy]

I didn't say you did.

I said you dismissed them as reliable, which you did.


Then I can only assume you don't understand what contradictory means.


No that's not all you said.

Your opening on it was "And Kaz is not a reliable source".

So in short not only are you moving the goalposts again, but you are now cherry picking the information that you want (which is why you are being contradictory)!

Should I put a disclaimer after each of my posts that says that they are my personal opinions. So when I say "Kaz is not a reliable source" *disclaimer: this is my personal opinion etc... Jeeees..
I do believe I'm not the only one who thinks Kaz is not reliable source, you seem very defensive of him.

 

[Skiddy]

I'd have a hard time giving someone advice to trust something that I know for a fact to be untrustworthy. I would just tell them to wait and see what happens at that point, to be honest

And there you go. Where did I state that I know for a fact anything about the trustworthiness of Kaz and others? It is my personal opinion, not a fact.
Car wheels are round = fact;
Kaz is not trustworthy = my opinion.
Get it?

And I did say that I wait and see before I buy. I'm still waiting.

 

[PzR Slim]

Actually, it looks like I'm not in the minority; the game only gets 2.5 stars on Amazon UK, & the majority of them are 1 star reviews.

Just checked the .co.uk & .com reviews and they are brutal. However, many of us on here said this would happen, the general GT buying public who don't spend hours everyday discussing the game as we do will have no idea the direction the game was taking and they will be hugely disappointed when they stick the disc in the tray. That's coming to fruition.

 

[ImaRobot]

Should I put a disclaimer after each of my posts that says that they are my personal opinions.

Personal opinions are open to discussion if you're going to be posting them in a public space, writing that wouldn't really change much.

 

[CopperySinger]

The whole truth and nothing but the truth.


For what it's worth, Kaz has by far been the worst offender in this case.

So kaz has not been the only developer that has failed to tell you the whole truth and nothing but the truth, he's just the worst offender in your case.

I'm sure it does play a part in how you express your personal reviews on the game.

Saying one developer is the worst offender is so subjective, that makes no sense and is only an opinion.

 

[Skiddy]

Personal opinions are open to discussion if you're going to be posting them in a public space, writing that wouldn't really change much.

Yeah, tell that to Scaff.

 

[ImaRobot]

And there you go. Where did I state that I know for a fact anything about the trustworthiness of Kaz and others? It is my personal opinion, not a fact.

So are you saying that you have no factual evidence to him being untrustworthy and that you're basing your opinion on nothing at all? I doubt that. I'm in the same boat as you, I feel he's untrustworthy, he says things that don't come to fruition. Usually opinions are based around some kind of fact.

Get it?

Again, was never any confusion.

So kaz has not been the only developer that has failed to tell you the whole truth and nothing but the truth, he's just the worst offender in your case.

Can't really think of any other instance where a developer said that something would happen, that didn't. If you can think of one, from the games we've been discussing, I'm all ears.

I'm sure it does play a part in how you express your personal reviews on the game.

Who would have thought that personal experience, and interaction with something helps you develop an opinion. Weird right?

Saying one developer is the worst offender is so subjective, that makes no sense and is only an opinion.

Is that something really needing pointing out? That's common sense.

Yeah, tell that to Scaff.

what?

 

[CopperySinger]

Just checked the .co.uk & .com reviews and they are brutal. However, many of us on here said this would happen, the general GT buying public who don't spend hours everyday discussing the game as we do will have no idea the direction the game was taking and they will be hugely disappointed when they stick the disc in the tray. That's coming to fruition.

I disagree, someone with money in their pocket has enough sense to know what they are buying imo. I think you have tricked yourself into believing your opinion as fact that the game is not worthy. others might not share your same opinionated facts. snap out of this delusion my friend.

 

[PzR Slim]

I disagree, someone with money in their pocket has enough sense to know what they are buying imo. I think you have tricked yourself into believing your opinion as fact that the game is not worthy. others might not share your same opinionated facts. snap out of this delusion my friend.

The evidence is there for you to read. More than 50% of the ratings are one star reviews. Go and read the reviews on both of those sites and you will see lots of people saying exactly that.

 

[ImaRobot]

I disagree, someone with money in their pocket has enough sense to know what they are buying imo.

The general tone of the hundreds of negative reviews seem to be disagreeing with you. it seems there's more disgruntled fans that didn't know about things, like the general lack of the traditional career mode for instance.

I think you have tricked yourself into believing your opinion as fact that the game is not worthy.

I think you've tricked yourself into thinking people said something they actually didn't.

snap out of this delusion my friend.

this is gold.

 

[CopperySinger]

One can be truthful and non-commital at the same time. Eg. "We are shooting to include this feature but can't guarantee it'll be in at launch".

no this is the perfect example of a con-artist tactic. in other words not the truth.

Johnnypenso, I have some good new for you. I'm going to try to give you a million dollars but i can't guarantee it.

 

[Scaff]

Should I put a disclaimer after each of my posts that says that they are my personal opinions. So when I say "Kaz is not a reliable source" *disclaimer: this is my personal opinion etc... Jeeees..

Actually is can be taken as either a factual claim or personal opinion, it depends on the context its used in.

I do believe I'm not the only one who thinks Kaz is not reliable source, you seem very defensive of him.

Not at all, but then again I'm not the one saying that we shouldn't trust Kaz, Sony or PD and then using them as examples of how you can find information to make buying choices from!

Yeah, tell that to Scaff.

?

 

[Johnnypenso]

no this is the perfect example of a con-artist tactic. in other words not the truth.

Johnnypenso, I have some good new for you. I'm going to try to give you a million dollars but i can't guarantee it.

Prove your point. Which part of the statement is untrue?

 

[GENERALSAVANT]

Just checked the .co.uk & .com reviews and they are brutal. However, many of us on here said this would happen, the general GT buying public who don't spend hours everyday discussing the game as we do will have no idea the direction the game was taking and they will be hugely disappointed when they stick the disc in the tray. That's coming to fruition.

Here's the American Amazon site, not sure if it's the same as .co.uk. I'm still enjoying the game but I think making it esport-centric was what did it in.

 

[Lambob]

If there is one thing I have learned about the entertainment business as of late (meaning since the past 15+ years), that is:

a) Movies, and Videogaming, are a Trillion Dollar business this decade alone

b) Moles are hired by big corporations to either a) give countless negative reviews to their competitors to protect their own interests , b) defend their horrible product at present time, at all costs, to steer clear of any haters that voice truthful opinions (again they are opinions, that they are entitled to, (subject to change w/o notice))

c) be your own critic for your own media of choice.

d) if you know you will DISLIKE a certain title, for whatever reason, and you still PAY (either upfront, or with your valuable time) to see/play it, you've been forwarned as the 57.978th post all talking trash about it. but people will still pay to see it and complain about it anyway. can't prevent this phenomenon. (I guess there is still option c above at play)

e) Sequels are not always successful. not even from your most cherished franchises. people at the top make decisions that trickle all the way down in an undesirable fashion to all those under them, right down to the end user. This is my biggest letdown in present day entertainment industry.

 

[ImaRobot]

d) if you know you will DISLIKE a certain title, for whatever reason, and you still PAY (either upfront, or with your valuable time) to see/play it, you've been forwarned as the 57.978th post all talking trash about it. but people will still pay to see it and complain about it anyway. can't prevent this phenomenon. (I guess there is still option c above at play)

Because it makes sense to actually try something to find out if the issues you have found before hand are on founded ground or not. It's all about how it balances out, as there is not one game that is out that I don't have a particular issue with, but if I find enough good on paper, regardless of the bad, than I'm going to give it a shot. At that point does that mean that I still can't voice my opinion if those fears I had before hand were actually validated.

 

[Haitauer]

Not going to quote anything here as i would have to quote the whole last few pages of this thread, but heres my opinion.

1. I think GTS is a grower. Not just the content but also it takes time for people to just understand what this game is and how to enjoy it. It really doesnt have much to do with classic GT games or Forza. Forza 7 would get 5/10 if it was reviewed as the next Forza Horizon..

2. I think judging Kaz's, PDIs or Sonys trustworthiness is pointless. Its case of not reaching goals. A managemental issue and possibly lack of focus from Kaz or PDI. Who knows how they manage things/ make decisions. "Trustworthiness" is the angry tenager point of view.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Not going to quote anything here as i would have to quote the whole last few pages of this thread, but heres my opinion.

1. I think GTS is a grower. Not just the content but also it takes time for people to just understand what this game is and how to enjoy it. It really doesnt have much to do with classic GT games or Forza. Forza 7 would get 5/10 if it was reviewed as the next Forza Horizon..

2. I think judging Kaz's, PDIs or Sonys trustworthiness is pointless. Its case of not reaching goals. A managemental issue and possibly lack of focus from Kaz or PDI. Who knows how they manage things/ make decisions. "Trustworthiness" is the angry tenager point of view.

1. What part of GTS is hard to understand if you've purchased and played the game? Outside of the Livery Editor, the features are all pretty familiar to GT players and sim racers in general.

2. Trustworthiness is an angry teenager point of view? You sound like someone who's spent very little time in the adult world.

 

[VBR]

Just checked the .co.uk & .com reviews and they are brutal. However, many of us on here said this would happen, the general GT buying public who don't spend hours everyday discussing the game as we do will have no idea the direction the game was taking and they will be hugely disappointed when they stick the disc in the tray. That's coming to fruition.

Didn't think to check the .com site, & the reviews are even worse; only 2 stars!

 

[The Chosen One]

like the general lack of the traditional career mode for instance.

It looks like those people seem to miss the catch-the-rabbit formula of GT’s old careers.

Interesting.

 

[ImaRobot]

It looks like those people seem to miss the catch-the-rabbit formula of GT’s old careers.

Interesting.

What I find interesting is that people keep sticking to this statement. What people missed is having a career mode, that's not saying that it didn't need anything changed and they want the exact career mode that was in GT, with absolutely no changes done to make it better.

 

[PzR Slim]

It looks like those people seem to miss the catch-the-rabbit formula of GT’s old careers.

Interesting.

Or that those people expected PD to raise their game and provide a career mode that was equivalent in quality to one provided by their competitors.

 

[Skiddy]

So are you saying that you have no factual evidence to him being untrustworthy and that you're basing your opinion on nothing at all? I doubt that. I'm in the same boat as you, I feel he's untrustworthy, he says things that don't come to fruition. Usually opinions are based around some kind of fact.

My opinions are based on my experience, which I described in one of my earlier posts. If you took the time and effort to read it you would see that, and probably would not say that my opinon was based on nothing.

Here's the American Amazon site, not sure if it's the same as .co.uk. I'm still enjoying the game but I think making it esport-centric was what did it in.
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If this goes on, there will be a sale...

 

[Haitauer]

1. What part of GTS is hard to understand if you've purchased and played the game? Outside of the Livery Editor, the features are all pretty familiar to GT players and sim racers in general.

2. Trustworthiness is an angry teenager point of view? You sound like someone who's spent very little time in the adult world.

1. The strong point of GTS is clearly the balance of online races they have achieved. For someone like me that is what one expected from the game and therefore i wasnt disappointed with the game. I think PDI has been very clear for a very long time this is not the usual GT. That said more tracks would be nice, but i was well aware of the track count when i bought the game.

2. Trustworthiness is a very valid quality in adult world between persons, but this is a product from a company in corporate world where setting demanding goals and achieving those goals with varying success is business as usual.

Success, effectiveness, value, ability, reliability.. yes - "trustworthiness" not so much. I doubt they are making these claims without intention to fulfill them. Kaz and PDI are just hopeless optimists lacking enough focus.

 

[CopperySinger]

Here's the American Amazon site, not sure if it's the same as .co.uk. I'm still enjoying the game but I think making it esport-centric was what did it in.
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Because it makes sense to actually try something to find out if the issues you have found before hand are on founded ground or not. It's all about how it balances out, as there is not one game that is out that I don't have a particular issue with, but if I find enough good on paper, regardless of the bad, than I'm going to give it a shot. At that point does that mean that I still can't voice my opinion if those fears I had before hand were actually validated.

So everyone lined up one by one on amazon to fall off a bridge. something fishy is going on down there..

 

[ImaRobot]

My opinions are based on my experience, which I described in one of my earlier posts.

You obviously missed the point of the question. It was asked because you said it's not a fact, and that it's your opinion only, so I stated that usually opinions are based around some kind of fact at least. You have proved that true because you're using your experience, something that made that opinion come true.

You said

Where did I state that I know for a fact

Car wheels are round = fact;
Kaz is not trustworthy = my opinion.

So I asked

So are you saying that you have no factual evidence to him being untrustworthy and that you're basing your opinion on nothing at all?

Yet now you're pointing towards the fact that you have experienced this, that's why you think this way.

If you took the time and effort to read it you would see that, and probably would not say that my opinon was based on nothing.

Reading comprehension goes a long way. I asked the question again, even after reading all your post, because you seem to be contradicting yourself left and right with each new post that comes in.

So everyone lined up one by one on amazon to fall off a bridge. something fishy is going on here.

Do you stop to think about the things you post? I don't understand how this response is related to what was said, in any way.

 

[rono_thomas]

1. The strong point of GTS is clearly the balance of online races they have achieved. For someone like me that is what one expected from the game and therefore i wasnt disappointed with the game. I think PDI has been very clear for a very long time this is not the usual GT. That said more tracks would be nice, but i was well aware of the track count when i bought the game.

2. Trustworthiness is a very valid quality in adult world between persons, but this is a product from a company in corporate world where setting demanding goals and achieving those goals with varying success is business as usual.

Success, effectiveness, value, ability.. yes - "trustworthiness" not so much. I doubt they are making these claims without intention to fulfill them. Kaz and PDI are just hopeless optimists lacking enough focus.

1. We are in the minority.

2. DLC by your definition do we trust it will come as said?

 

[Johnnypenso]

1. The strong point of GTS is clearly the balance of online races they have achieved. For someone like me that is what one expected from the game and therefore i wasnt disappointed with the game. I think PDI has been very clear for a very long time this is not the usual GT. That said more tracks would be nice, but i was well aware of the track count when i bought the game.

2. Trustworthiness is a very valid quality in adult world between persons, but this is a product from a company in corporate world where setting demanding goals and achieving those goals with varying success is business as usual.

Success, effectiveness, value, ability.. yes - "trustworthiness" not so much. I doubt they are making these claims without intention to fulfill them. Kaz and PDI are just hopeless optimists lacking enough focus.

1. Doesn't answer the question.
2. We're talking mainly about Kaz here not Sony or PDI. You're essentially saying Kaz should be evaluated differently because he's a dreamer. Why do dreamers get held to a different standard of truthfulness than other developers?