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Agreed. It takes some getting used to when I go back on GT2 & 3, when the chase camera is nice and close up, just a much better view as it gave a greater sense of speed IMO.

Likewise, it's bizarre when I get back on GT6 after playing 2 & 3, as the chase camera in 6 is so far back.
I prefer the way GT6 has it. The sense of speed may not be as good as I would like for every camera setting, but the only views I would have wanted changed are the two settings for the hood cam. I can see the appeal for the higher hood cam view; I do end up using it seldomly. The lower hood cam view is personally better for me being the more practical perspective of the two.

I don't think there's a debate on which is the most productive view of them all (bumper cam), but if I'm not trying to be competitive for any reason, I prefer to use the interior view. It's the cool-man-bro view.
 
They spend so much time on details when other games tend to overlook them : shifting animation, racing suits or menus. But the most important things like good camera views, basic trackside objects, collisions... No, let's spend more time on Scapes or on the backseat shader. (I love Scapes and the attention to details.)
 
They spend so much time on details when other games tend to overlook them : shifting animation, racing suits or menus. But the most important things like good camera views, basic trackside objects, collisions... No, let's spend more time on Scapes or on the backseat shader. (I love Scapes and the attention to details.)

Why should the scapes and rendering engine teams stop working until the track modelling team have modelled more trackside props?
 
Why should the scapes and rendering engine teams stop working until the track modelling team have modelled more trackside props?
I know it^^ I'm just pointing that they have the most realistic lighting, something very difficult for other devs. However, they're so bad for simple things like the chase view or adding some life along the track.
 
For not doing and looking like all the other racing games:sly:
I love that response. People feel the need to compare it to other games where it falls short, obviously, that's fair. But sometimes enough is enough. We're getting carried away with how perfect we expect it to be. Then someone will mention something like, "what about all the simple things PD can change and add?" To that I say, "PD will always do their thing."

It's true, it sucks, it's great, it's just fine. I still love playing GT and hope they never stray from THEIR path, THEIR way of making racing games for the past two decades. GT for life.
 
I love that response. People feel the need to compare it to other games where it falls short, obviously, that's fair. But sometimes enough is enough. We're getting carried away with how perfect we expect it to be. Then someone will mention something like, "what about all the simple things PD can change and add?" To that I say, "PD will always do their thing."

It's true, it sucks, it's great, it's just fine. I still love playing GT and hope they never stray from THEIR path, THEIR way of making racing games for the past two decades. GT for life.
Couldn't agree more:tup:. Thanks @another_jakhole :cheers:
 
I love that response. People feel the need to compare it to other games where it falls short, obviously, that's fair. But sometimes enough is enough. We're getting carried away with how perfect we expect it to be. Then someone will mention something like, "what about all the simple things PD can change and add?" To that I say, "PD will always do their thing."

It's true, it sucks, it's great, it's just fine. I still love playing GT and hope they never stray from THEIR path, THEIR way of making racing games for the past two decades. GT for life.
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I love that response. People feel the need to compare it to other games where it falls short, obviously, that's fair. But sometimes enough is enough. We're getting carried away with how perfect we expect it to be. Then someone will mention something like, "what about all the simple things PD can change and add?" To that I say, "PD will always do their thing."

It's true, it sucks, it's great, it's just fine. I still love playing GT and hope they never stray from THEIR path, THEIR way of making racing games for the past two decades. GT for life.
Really? I don't see anyone demanding perfection at all, just asking for a good game with some of the features present in similar, contemporary games or that have been present in similar games for years and that many of us think should be standard for all games on current gen consoles. You'll see similar complaints about the shortcomings of all racing sims in this and other forums, I don't see why GT should be treated any differently or that there's a point where, "enough is enough". Who decides this anyway?
 
I love that response. People feel the need to compare it to other games where it falls short, obviously, that's fair. But sometimes enough is enough. We're getting carried away with how perfect we expect it to be. Then someone will mention something like, "what about all the simple things PD can change and add?" To that I say, "PD will always do their thing."

It's true, it sucks, it's great, it's just fine. I still love playing GT and hope they never stray from THEIR path, THEIR way of making racing games for the past two decades. GT for life.

Sure, but that's not exactly what was being talked about. Minor features that have proliferated through other similar games and are known to be useful and fun for the player shouldn't be ignored just because Polyphony are special snowflakes. They're still game developers, and part of that is not sticking with leaf springs and live axles when independent suspension is cheap and available.
 
Sure, but that's not exactly what was being talked about. Minor features that have proliferated through other similar games and are known to be useful and fun for the player shouldn't be ignored just because Polyphony are special snowflakes. They're still game developers, and part of that is not sticking with leaf springs and live axles when independent suspension is cheap and available.
That's cool, features are fun in other games but gt doesn't have to be like every other game. And they don't have to be like GT. I think this is what's being talked about with the "How come GT doesn't do this like 'x game'?" subject on the field of view and/or the 360°. I can look to the right and left and the rear in GT6. It might not be as in depth as others in that area, same with the seating position, but it is something. It exists. If they don't improve on it, that's a shame, but I do agree that they don't have to do it the same way as other racing games.

If everyone did the same thing where would you find the unique qualities in the individual offerings? The thing that would make the difference would be graphics, physics, cars and maybe music. That'd be boring imo.
 
Really? I don't see anyone demanding perfection at all, just asking for a good game with some of the features present in similar, contemporary games or that have been present in similar games for years and that many of us think should be standard for all games on current gen consoles. You'll see similar complaints about the shortcomings of all racing sims in this and other forums, I don't see why GT should be treated any differently or that there's a point where, "enough is enough". Who decides this anyway?
With as much complaining about one game having something and GT doesn't, then another game had something and GT doesn't. It doesn't ever stop. Wanting more and better features and content isn't asking for perfection. I didn't intend for it to sound like I was saying there are people who expect a perfect experience.

"Enough is enough" is me, or us, saying that we're bothered by the constant flow of nitpicking to the point it seems as though they don't see that everybody wants everything from last GT games and picking the best, obvious bits from other games. A. They aren't posting this in a wishlist thread. B. We don't know what GTS will ultimately have. I said I wanted a track maker back in the series, but then I pointed out that we still don't know everything, instead of insisting there won't be one. Anybody can say / ask / demand GT should have a certain feature or content after saying PD needs better communication so we can know more about the future of the series and what to expect from GTS.

Eyeeee was finally saying how absurd it is to continue hating PD for being slow and not having better communication and delaying the game and bringing back the plan to release a beta and not being satisfied with that because it isn't open enough and it will be a waste because now they're going to take longer to release GTS. So yeah, there always is so much conjecture that happens to be negative and counterproductive.

People can say what they want. It's made me feel like all everybody wants is perfection since they keep tacking on their ideas of problems with the series and PD from every corner of their brains except for the reasonable part. That's why I feel enough is enough. That's not going to stop anybody from suggesting, but more like guessing, why PD isn't better at everything else they don't do. This post is meant to be a bit convoluted to give a sense of what my mind feels reading the clashing thoughts of The Others.

As if my other post was going to deter anybody from speaking out, all because I, or we, don't like to read constant noise.

Reason for editing - misspellings, too many words and too many puppieeees
 
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That's cool, features are fun in other games but gt doesn't have to be like every other game. And they don't have to be like GT. I think this is what's being talked about with the "How come GT doesn't do this like 'x game'?" subject on the field of view and/or the 360°. I can look to the right and left and the rear in GT6. It might not be as in depth as others in that area, same with the seating position, but it is something. It exists. If they don't improve on it, that's a shame, but I do agree that they don't have to do it the same way as other racing games.

If everyone did the same thing where would you find the unique qualities in the individual offerings? The thing that would make the difference would be graphics, physics, cars and maybe music. That'd be boring imo.
There is a difference between being different and create quality product. Like any arts Game design is moving forward, developing new ways to amaze players. PD in some areas was ahead of time but in others far behind. Im not asking them to copy other racing games, but to keep up with modern standards for this genre and to be different, to be meticulous to details not only in terms of tracks and cars but in terms of features and gameplay.
 
People can say what they want.

Are you sure that's what you really think?

That's why I feel enough is enough.

As if my other post was going to deter anybody from speaking out, all because I, or we, don't like to read constant noise.

Because stuff like this suggests otherwise.

There's certainly a place for telling people not to stop hashing over the same old tired ground. Still, I think that there's a lot of room for legitimate analysis and criticism of game design, and while that may be tiresome for people who aren't particularly interested in that (ie. the purchasing day one regardless of reviews crowd) it's still interesting and informative for others.

Discussion of what is considered baseline for a modern racing game seems fine to me. Is a free camera a valid example of that? You could go either way, but it seems like a simple feature if you already have to be able to make various camera views, and if there's nothing else that the right stick is doing it would seem worthwhile.

I find it useful in external views for keeping track of cars around me, and when cruising just to ogle my car from rad angles. I think it's odd that GT still hasn't done it. A good camera is fundamental to pretty much any game, and Polyphony are still oddly "traditional" with theirs. It doesn't feel like they've done much experimentation as to what other views might be desirable (bonnet cam, helmet cam, different chase cams, different bumper cams).
 
With as much complaining about one game having something and GT doesn't, then another game had something and GT doesn't. It doesn't ever stop. Wanting more and better features and content isn't asking for perfection. I didn't intend for it to sound like I was saying there are people who expect a perfect experience.

"Enough is enough" is me, or us, saying that we're bothered by the constant flow of nitpicking to the point it seems as though they don't see that everybody wants everything from last GT games and picking the best, obvious bits from other games. A. They aren't posting this in a wishlist thread. B. We don't know what GTS will ultimately have. I said I wanted a track maker back in the series, but then I pointed out that we still don't know everything, instead of insisting there won't be one. Anybody can say / ask / demand GT should have a certain feature or content after saying PD needs better communication so we can know more about the future of the series and what to expect from GTS.

Eyeeee was finally saying how absurd it is to continue hating PD for being slow and not having better communication and delaying the game and bringing back the plan to release a beta and not being satisfied with that because it isn't open enough and it will be a waste because now they're going to take longer to release GTS. So yeah, there always is so much conjecture that happens to be negative and counterproductive.

People can say what they want. It's made me feel like all everybody wants is perfection since they keep tacking on their ideas of problems with the series and PD from every corner of their brains except for the reasonable part. That's why I feel enough is enough. That's not going to stop anybody from suggesting, but more like guessing, why PD isn't better at everything else they don't do. This post is meant to be a bit convoluted to give a sense of what my mind feels reading the clashing thoughts of The Others.

As if my other post was going to deter anybody from speaking out, all because I, or we, don't like to read constant noise.

Reason for editing - misspellings, too many words and too many puppieeees
While I truly understand you dislike the constant complaining and overall "nitpicking" of this game. There is a thing that you should keep in mind. The likes of "us" (humans) complain in addition to their prefference and our own way of what it means quality. It can be compairing with another product that we know as quality (be it a game, car you name it).
Now in order for a company to fix their product and move forward they will need guidance of what they need to do. And how does a company do this? They have to measure their product and that is done by setting up surveys, enquettes etc etc... Therefore what they receive in return are complaints of the consumer and what they do with those complaints (ignore it, use it or get angry with it) will show what the outcome of their product will be. And that is simply what the likes of consumers or gamerfans is doing in here. You cannot tell someone that they have a bad taste in quality because each person have their own expectations and principals of what they call quality. So in actuality there is no such thing as a bad quality, just the simple dissatisfaction of a consumer that the product did not reach its expectation.
On behalf of the likes that complain alot in here have all their right to do so because they are consumers. And the passive ones in here must learn to go with it and not divide themselves or call themselves "true GT fans". We are a community with each their own ideas and expectations of how this game should be. There is no need to hate on the likes of consumers that complains alot (they know who they are) in here. I always see a division between the passive and the aggresive ones in here and it really should not be like this, but oh well I guess these things are supposed to happen too in order for us (the community) to learn to get along. But I trully hope you and everyone understand what I mean and feel free to share your thoughts and opinions. I believe that this is the right thing to do for people who dont understand the constant complaining in here.
 
While I truly understand you dislike the constant complaining and overall "nitpicking" of this game. There is a thing that you should keep in mind. The likes of "us" (humans) complain in addition to their prefference and our own way of what it means quality. It can be compairing with another product that we know as quality (be it a game, car you name it).
Now in order for a company to fix their product and move forward they will need guidance of what they need to do. And how does a company do this? They have to measure their product and that is done by setting up surveys, enquettes etc etc... Therefore what they receive in return are complaints of the consumer and what they do with those complaints (ignore it, use it or get angry with it) will show what the outcome of their product will be. And that is simply what the likes of consumers or gamerfans is doing in here. You cannot tell someone that they have a bad taste in quality because each person have their own expectations and principals of what they call quality. So in actuality there is no such thing as a bad quality, just the simple dissatisfaction of a consumer that the product did not reach its expectation.
On behalf of the likes that complain alot in here have all their right to do so because they are consumers. And the passive ones in here must learn to go with it and not divide themselves or call themselves "true GT fans". We are a community with each their own ideas and expectations of how this game should be. There is no need to hate on the likes of consumers that complains alot (they know who they are) in here. I always see a division between the passive and the aggresive ones in here and it really should not be like this, but oh well I guess these things are supposed to happen too in order for us (the community) to learn to get along. But I trully hope you and everyone understand what I mean and feel free to share your thoughts and opinions. I believe that this is the right thing to do for people who dont understand the constant complaining in here.
I'm not hating on their preferences. I've just grown tired of hearing the same ol, same ol. I was just voicing what I felt like saying.

PD have a lot of customer feedback at their disposal. They either use it or don't.
 
Sure, but that's not exactly what was being talked about. Minor features that have proliferated through other similar games and are known to be useful and fun for the player shouldn't be ignored just because Polyphony are special snowflakes. They're still game developers, and part of that is not sticking with leaf springs and live axles when independent suspension is cheap and available.
I'm staying out of this one. :P

But I have to post to say that the comment "just because Polyphony are special snowflakes." made me laugh. :lol:
Nice work. 👍
 
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I'm not hating on their preferences. I've just grown tired of hearing the same ol, same ol. I was just voicing what I felt like saying.

PD have a lot of customer feedback at their disposal. They either use it or don't.
Well you just have to learn to get used to it and again you growing tired will not stop people from complaining. Yes you can voice your thoughts on this. But the consumers will keep expectating quality from their products. ;)
 
Yea. People can say what they want. I didn't say it doesn't bother me.
Considering all that you've wrote in response to someone simply wanting a 360 camera, perhaps it's worth pondering wether you are over emotionally attached to what is simply a game? Maybe PDI should do away with "look left, look right" too as to not be the same as other games? I highly doubt that would be the reason for it not appearing in GTS.
 
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