When did I say lmp1's can't make the same or close to the amount of downforce as group c? If you go to sites like Mulsannes corner there's a lot of good technical information about the drag and lift levels of prototype cars new and old. That should give you an idea of what these group c cars were able to achieve vs the modern days.
I can't find downforce figures in that website. If you can direct me to some it'd be great.
I want to state though that today's LMP1s have vastly superior downforce levels in comparison to Group C. I don't think they're anywhere near at all.
The best ever Gr. C qualifying time was a 3:21 set by a Peugeot 905 in 1992.
What's the best ever Group C qualifying time of these 3 cars we were given in the latest update?
The 3:14 was set by a TS050, yet I never see this car topping out the leaderboards in Gr. 1 daily races
I once got into the Top 10 leaderboards using an R18 '16 in Lago Maggiore once. Tomorrow I'll try to get in with the TS050, if I can.
That is very nice of you. It's great to hear that there are people that are starting to take notice of him because I think he's being hidden away somewhat (like this new rule in GTS) from the esports community for the gain of others.
The top Asia players are mostly hidden away, since they don't tend to form teams and are mostly out of contact with forums like these
I agree with everything you say, although the injury part is discussable. Former F4 driver Billy Monger is an example of how much more work the FiA needs to do to improve safety. What happened to Jules Bianchi is tragic, and needs to be a lesson on how everything needs to be made safer (if there was a safety car at that part of the track (which is required especially during wet conditions) while the other car was being removed by the machinery, Jules would've been driving slower, and if he crashed on any other lap, there would been barriers to save him)
I agree with you here, but the injury part was not the focus. What I was trying to say is that, if ever Verstappen got into an incident before he's 18, the FiA might worry that even though he may have signed a contract saying that injuries blablabla are his own responsibility, the very fact that a top-level organization let a minor get hurt is going to cause huge criticism from the media. So despite it's technically Verstappen's responsibility if he ever gets hurt, his age would be a very dangerous weapon the media could use against the FiA, so in effect they'll be the ones taking responsibility
You are basing your argument on the assumption that the cars are represented very realisticly in GTS which I don't agree with.
Apart from the shortfalls of GTS's physics engine, those Gr. C cars had 3 pedals, an H-pattern shifter, no power steering, no electronic driving aids and they will be driven with paddles, ABS and CSA in sport mode.
Yeah those H-pattern shifters will cost them over a second at La Sarthe, even if you do the upshifts yourself.
And it's not a problem of the physics engine. Just imagine how they would BoP these cars to be competitive? 1200hp and 790kg? Maybe even more. Imagine driving that with the lack of aero and a bad suspension
Whilst it's a legit moan for the Grp C cars being in Grp1 I would just like to run the risk of pointing out that if we only
had these three cars in a GrpC class whilst it would be compettive for the individual manufacturers vehicles it wouldn't be possible
to then race against LMP cars or the VGT and you would all moan not enough cars in the class!
To me I think it's a sacrifice to live with as we'd either have to have cars move between classes which is proably too much work
for PD or they would move the wrong vehicles and no one ever can be kept completly happy.
The one thing I would like though is that the Grp X VGT cars which also appear in Grp 1 should go, for me I just want that
class to be proper LeMans/Grp C cars of old.
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