GT4 License Tests: I Give Up
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I watched last years Nurburgring 24hrs on TV, I think it was on either Eurosport or Motors TV. I'm in the UK though, and I doubt this sort of race will ever get shown on US channels (more into nascar and such as far as i can tell) One of the BMW M3 GTRs won last years race, other competitiors I can remember were the Nissan Falken Skyline which is in GT4, and a lot of ex-DTM and V8 stars cars such as the Audi TT and Opel Astra as well as many Porsches taking part.GuyNamedJohn
Regarding cheating:
I ask why are you playing the game in the first place? To get better at racing? To tell all your friends that you 100%'ed Gran Turismo 4, or that you got gold on all the licenses? To win? To feel good about accomplishing/finishing something?
Many times, getting better and having fun clash. I know I was not having a fun time on the Nurburgring, crashing 9 minutes into it and having to start over again and again. But my goal is to get better. It is to be excellent at what I do. I don't really care about winning much, except as it is a manifestation of my getting better. In this instance, cheating is completely counter-productive.
Want to show how much of a manly man you are by showing off your loaded garage, your 100% and your 80 golds? If that's all you want out of GT4, success is just a Shark away. Go forth and prove your macho-ness.
Lots of people just play to win. They don't care about how they get there, they just want to win. If they can't win, they won't play. This is related to the previous paragraph, and can be dealt with the same way: Cheats.
Want to feel good about accomplishing something? Finishing a game completely? Thinking about cheating, just a bit, mind you--one or two... maybe three, perhaps four times--and doing the rest yourself? Why marr your success with the knowledge that you didn't do that 4% at the beginning of the game? Surely you will be more capable of tackling that remaining 4% if you've gotten all the way to 96%.
GT4 is not a causal gamer's game. If you want a game that you can spend an hour a day on and have some chance of completing it this century, I recommend, in all seriousness, Mario Kart Double Dash!!. Has a bit of challenge to it, but nothing nearly as insurmountable to your average Joe as GT4. It's a fun game, has some definite time investment for the casual gamer to complete it, and a friend who's never played it can pick up the game and not feel like they are completely worthless. That's one of the largest problems I've come across with GT4. None of my friends play it nearly as much as I do, and they won't play me. The learning curve is too steep. But that's life. I suppose I'll just wait for GT5 and the PS3 where (hopefully) we can play world-wide.
So, I reiterate: Want to cheat? Why are you playing the game in the first place? What are your priorities?
I ask why are you playing the game in the first place? To get better at racing? To tell all your friends that you 100%'ed Gran Turismo 4, or that you got gold on all the licenses? To win? To feel good about accomplishing/finishing something?
Many times, getting better and having fun clash. I know I was not having a fun time on the Nurburgring, crashing 9 minutes into it and having to start over again and again. But my goal is to get better. It is to be excellent at what I do. I don't really care about winning much, except as it is a manifestation of my getting better. In this instance, cheating is completely counter-productive.
Want to show how much of a manly man you are by showing off your loaded garage, your 100% and your 80 golds? If that's all you want out of GT4, success is just a Shark away. Go forth and prove your macho-ness.
Lots of people just play to win. They don't care about how they get there, they just want to win. If they can't win, they won't play. This is related to the previous paragraph, and can be dealt with the same way: Cheats.
Want to feel good about accomplishing something? Finishing a game completely? Thinking about cheating, just a bit, mind you--one or two... maybe three, perhaps four times--and doing the rest yourself? Why marr your success with the knowledge that you didn't do that 4% at the beginning of the game? Surely you will be more capable of tackling that remaining 4% if you've gotten all the way to 96%.
GT4 is not a causal gamer's game. If you want a game that you can spend an hour a day on and have some chance of completing it this century, I recommend, in all seriousness, Mario Kart Double Dash!!. Has a bit of challenge to it, but nothing nearly as insurmountable to your average Joe as GT4. It's a fun game, has some definite time investment for the casual gamer to complete it, and a friend who's never played it can pick up the game and not feel like they are completely worthless. That's one of the largest problems I've come across with GT4. None of my friends play it nearly as much as I do, and they won't play me. The learning curve is too steep. But that's life. I suppose I'll just wait for GT5 and the PS3 where (hopefully) we can play world-wide.
So, I reiterate: Want to cheat? Why are you playing the game in the first place? What are your priorities?
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Interesting stuff about the 'Ring.
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I wonder where in the hell the thread starter got to? It always puzzles me when people show up, make such a very substantive, readable, honest post like he did, then just *poof*... Oh well.
lol... I'm going to start calling you, Mr. "Helpful"
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I wonder where in the hell the thread starter got to? It always puzzles me when people show up, make such a very substantive, readable, honest post like he did, then just *poof*... Oh well.
lol.
I just tried Mission 11 actually. It wasn't particularly easy (nor too hard). It was a little easier than Mission 34. The track is boring, just lots of 90 degree corners. Not a lot to say really other than drive as fast as you can. The only thing you need to remember really is the slow-car driving axiom; the *lower* your *minimum* speed in a corner, the *slower* you will take the corner.
In a fast car, it's all about stealing distance under braking and under acceleration. In a slow car, it's simply about maintaining momentum.
I just tried Mission 11 actually. It wasn't particularly easy (nor too hard). It was a little easier than Mission 34. The track is boring, just lots of 90 degree corners. Not a lot to say really other than drive as fast as you can. The only thing you need to remember really is the slow-car driving axiom; the *lower* your *minimum* speed in a corner, the *slower* you will take the corner.
In a fast car, it's all about stealing distance under braking and under acceleration. In a slow car, it's simply about maintaining momentum.
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F310B, it feels like an order on par with Golding a license to me man, SHEESH. I am down to 3.1xx seconds now from getting it. LOL!
Please excuse me for now; I should like to address Jinky Williams for a moment.
Jinky-
Well, but see your entire viewpoint is your own.
That's the problem with trying to get others to see it your way; others have their very own reasons for playing a video game. Check out the topic Afterthoughts where I talked some about this subject (mine's the last post).
That is the genius behind the franchise; and the reason it sells so well: Sure it runs deep, but Gran Turismo is still an "every man's" racing game. You don't have be good to have a blast - and I would say that for the majority of gamers, having a blast is what it's all about. Here's one more example:
Do you see? Suddenly the prize of being able to boast 100% completion is just completely negated. I like to watch myself improve and pick up skills, sure. And I am bound and determined to beat that damned Mission 11 if it takes me a year (it's personal now
). But just for me, having fun with it will always come first.
People play for different reasons. If you play to hone your skills and be the world's fastest, or to show off to your friends and be able to boast 80 Golds, then that is fine, too. But if others are playing it primarily for the fun factor, then using a Shark or Codebreaker presents no conflicts.
-John
Please excuse me for now; I should like to address Jinky Williams for a moment.
Jinky-
Well, but see your entire viewpoint is your own.
That's the problem with trying to get others to see it your way; others have their very own reasons for playing a video game. Check out the topic Afterthoughts where I talked some about this subject (mine's the last post).
Oh, but I beg to differ with you there, sir.Jinky Williams
That is the genius behind the franchise; and the reason it sells so well: Sure it runs deep, but Gran Turismo is still an "every man's" racing game. You don't have be good to have a blast - and I would say that for the majority of gamers, having a blast is what it's all about. Here's one more example:
Nope! I for one am playing Gran Turismo because it is an awesome simulation of driving some of the coolest darned cars the world has ever seen.Jinky Williams
Do you see? Suddenly the prize of being able to boast 100% completion is just completely negated. I like to watch myself improve and pick up skills, sure. And I am bound and determined to beat that damned Mission 11 if it takes me a year (it's personal now
). But just for me, having fun with it will always come first.People play for different reasons. If you play to hone your skills and be the world's fastest, or to show off to your friends and be able to boast 80 Golds, then that is fine, too. But if others are playing it primarily for the fun factor, then using a Shark or Codebreaker presents no conflicts.
-JohnWatch your speedometer (and the track lol). Aim to be going at least 45 mph throughout the slow perpendicular corners. Aim for your speed to not dip below 32 mph in the final hairpin. The final hairpin is the most important corner on the track, because it has the longest straight after it.
Man,,,,I'm with you 100%.
I put something out there about B-Spec contaminating an otherwise very challenging and rewarding gaming experience and the flamers come out in droves. You know, if any of those flamers would show me legitimate 100% gold licenses, I would have no problems with their viewpoints but they're more interested in blasting through the game as quickly as possible so they can move on to Mario on Nintendo or something else.
GT is locked into my PS for all intents and purposes. I don't own any other games, nor have I ever even put another game into my PS or PS2.
Having fun does often clash with getting better. Just look at license tests where you spend many hours, repetitively trying, over and over and over and over and over and over just trying to get a gold. That gold trophy popping up after a long battle is still one of the most rewarding things to me. I'm guessing that the flamers get their bronze trophies and are done with it. It's really a shame that they're not experiencing the true joy of winning license golds.
Amongst my co-workers, the gold licenses are really what separates all of us in terms of skill level. Some players are just better drivers than others. Some know how to take a racing line and know the theory better. I have a lot of respect for those here who really like the slower cars because that's where real skill comes into play.
Getting high scores, B-Spec mode, collecting cars by selling Toyota Raid cars to get more money, etc. might be OK for arcade players but the real joy to the game should be to hone skills and to become better. I doubt those people are interested much in becoming better players, winning all of the gold licenses or investing serious amounts of time into achieving this.
I put something out there about B-Spec contaminating an otherwise very challenging and rewarding gaming experience and the flamers come out in droves. You know, if any of those flamers would show me legitimate 100% gold licenses, I would have no problems with their viewpoints but they're more interested in blasting through the game as quickly as possible so they can move on to Mario on Nintendo or something else.
GT is locked into my PS for all intents and purposes. I don't own any other games, nor have I ever even put another game into my PS or PS2.
Having fun does often clash with getting better. Just look at license tests where you spend many hours, repetitively trying, over and over and over and over and over and over just trying to get a gold. That gold trophy popping up after a long battle is still one of the most rewarding things to me. I'm guessing that the flamers get their bronze trophies and are done with it. It's really a shame that they're not experiencing the true joy of winning license golds.
Amongst my co-workers, the gold licenses are really what separates all of us in terms of skill level. Some players are just better drivers than others. Some know how to take a racing line and know the theory better. I have a lot of respect for those here who really like the slower cars because that's where real skill comes into play.
Getting high scores, B-Spec mode, collecting cars by selling Toyota Raid cars to get more money, etc. might be OK for arcade players but the real joy to the game should be to hone skills and to become better. I doubt those people are interested much in becoming better players, winning all of the gold licenses or investing serious amounts of time into achieving this.
Jinky Williams
I got 80 golds and I won mission 34. I've only played GT4 for 2 days. Those were the first 2 things I did when I got GT4, because I am a good driver and I always push myself to go faster. But I would never think to enforce my way of playing on another player.
If driving the Nurburgring in a DTM touring car at 150 mph, trying to lap it in under 7:07.700 doesn't get your juices going, then you're not like me. I just find it so much fun, the harder I push myself the more fun I have. I get the best of both worlds. I get angry and frustrated at myself sometimes (who doesn't), but I have a lot of fun too.
I had a lot of fun trying in S16 trying to take the fast right-hander at the top of the hill, about 50 seconds into the lap, without dipping below 140 mph (actually it might have been in mission 34, I was having so much fun I can't actually remember what car I was driving). Then I tried it without using the brakes. I could take that corner all day and still enjoy it. It seems some people can't do this, and nothing I say is going to change that.
If driving the Nurburgring in a DTM touring car at 150 mph, trying to lap it in under 7:07.700 doesn't get your juices going, then you're not like me. I just find it so much fun, the harder I push myself the more fun I have. I get the best of both worlds. I get angry and frustrated at myself sometimes (who doesn't), but I have a lot of fun too.
I had a lot of fun trying in S16 trying to take the fast right-hander at the top of the hill, about 50 seconds into the lap, without dipping below 140 mph (actually it might have been in mission 34, I was having so much fun I can't actually remember what car I was driving). Then I tried it without using the brakes. I could take that corner all day and still enjoy it. It seems some people can't do this, and nothing I say is going to change that.
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There is a reason for the license tests, if you cant pass them you wont be able to handle the challenges that are ahead in the races without spending alot of frustrated time in the back(6th). So why not be frustratred in the tests so it will make the racing more enjoyable. IMHO. I cannot make a comparison with GT3 for I have never played it.
Alls I know is this, this game has made me a gear head, and has cut into my SOCOM 2 online play, which I never thought possible.
Alls I know is this, this game has made me a gear head, and has cut into my SOCOM 2 online play, which I never thought possible.
I hate to say this but I've found getting a bronze very easy so far....... even upto the middle of the Super licence most tests only took one attempt to get bronze (I don't bother trying for golds until I've completed most of the game). The only one that has given me any real trouble so far was the IA Le Man one but even that only took 5 or 6 attempts....... the Ring test behind the pace car in the IA test was my very first lap of the Ring and I nearly managed a silver!
Wads
There have been days when I've just breezed through the license tests, and other times when I can't come within a second of a bronze. When things are clicking, I've learned not to stop driving. On the other days, I just head to the track and race. It all seems to be a state of mind, ie, "in the zone".
So far i got the game finished with the iB license, now i need to power up the iA and S licence tests, unfortunatly i aint have time to try till next weekend. But till iB i can say it was like taking candy from a baby to get bronze (4 me that's enough)
i also noticed that using a Logitech DF wheel helps alot. (few seconds on a normal race lap)
I'fe played GT4 yesterday, and went for some licences. within iA i got till A14 without significant problems. On A15 (nurnburgring i missed bronze on 10 seconds, was 2nd time i raced NBR)i only tried it once, then i had to goto get some sleep.....
i also noticed that using a Logitech DF wheel helps alot. (few seconds on a normal race lap)
I'fe played GT4 yesterday, and went for some licences. within iA i got till A14 without significant problems. On A15 (nurnburgring i missed bronze on 10 seconds, was 2nd time i raced NBR)i only tried it once, then i had to goto get some sleep.....
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Yah man, it's that final hairpin/180° turn that's brutalizing me; I'm having to learn how to take it, so I've been experimenting with different approaches. I'm still learning so much.F310B
But yeah, man I'm all about theory and the psychology of winning, too! You might not know it, but prolly hundreds of people read your helpful comments. Take this, from a week ago: It can be really eye opening when you realise to get gold you don't have to drive anywhere near the limit. You hear people say 'you need a perfect lap to get gold'. You don't. You just need to be at about 90% of the car's capability in the corners.
And from still another topic back in January: It's not as if it will require a perfect lap. At the time it seems like a perfect lap, because you do not have the skill or insight to see where you have been losing time, making mistakes. In reality, you can always make a few mistakes and get away with it - *if you are good enough*.
I once wrote an open diary called, "The Tao of F355 Challenge." I bought it the day it was released on the Dreamcast. I still remember getting better and better until I took 1st place in the Long Beach race.
Truly carthartic experience when you do manage to finally "break through." You also learn some remarkable things--such as the fact that nine-tenths of becoming good at anything is all in your mind and how you approach it. I will get Mission 11.
Or shoot myself.
Cheerio,
-GNJ-
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I personally found getting all Golds failry easy, much easier to getting all golds in GT3. I have watched my brother and my mates race GT4, and i found their problem is they brake nice and early for the corner, but they cant feel the car through the control. If you cant feel the car through the control or the wheel you use, then theres gonna be trouble.
If i over brake into a corner, while im braking i feel that the car wont turn properly, so i tap the brake allowing the car to get some turn going, until the car faces the right direction then hit the throttle. You'll find most cars will respond to turning alot better whileyou are accelerating, understeer is soo noticable you have to learn to deal with it. The licence tests are perfect coz they are hard to those who havnt really learnt alot of technique with racing. After playing GT4, GT3 was very arcade style where you could whip a car into a corner very fast and still not hit a wall.
I am not a perfect racer, far from it, but knwoledge of racing is needed to be a good clean fast racer. I push myself like someone above said, and i try different challenges to get to not only know the circuit but to get to know the car. With the Licence tests i tried alot of different turning techniques, starting form the inside to go faster than the ghost, going deep and staying wide through the first half of the corner then throttle back to the apex allowing faster exit speeds, Sliding the car through corners.
Only problem with being able to race fast is racing mates who do not know how to handle cars fast through circuits. So wish Online mode was included.
If i over brake into a corner, while im braking i feel that the car wont turn properly, so i tap the brake allowing the car to get some turn going, until the car faces the right direction then hit the throttle. You'll find most cars will respond to turning alot better whileyou are accelerating, understeer is soo noticable you have to learn to deal with it. The licence tests are perfect coz they are hard to those who havnt really learnt alot of technique with racing. After playing GT4, GT3 was very arcade style where you could whip a car into a corner very fast and still not hit a wall.
I am not a perfect racer, far from it, but knwoledge of racing is needed to be a good clean fast racer. I push myself like someone above said, and i try different challenges to get to not only know the circuit but to get to know the car. With the Licence tests i tried alot of different turning techniques, starting form the inside to go faster than the ghost, going deep and staying wide through the first half of the corner then throttle back to the apex allowing faster exit speeds, Sliding the car through corners.
Only problem with being able to race fast is racing mates who do not know how to handle cars fast through circuits. So wish Online mode was included.
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I achieved bronzes in about two days on the ib & ia tests (transferred a & b from GT3). I haven't tackled the S tests yet. I'm waiting until I just have to. I have always hated the tests. I never learn anything. Maybe that makes me a less devoted player than most of you but whatever...to me it's just a game.
It's also the reason I will never have the fabled Model T.
It's also the reason I will never have the fabled Model T.
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I've got all bronzes on everything, except two silvers that were imported from GT3. At the IB license, I have stopped for now, not bothering with the IA until I need it.
License tests are the most frustrating part of the game, I'd rather save them all until they absolutely need to be done to get further into the game.
License tests are the most frustrating part of the game, I'd rather save them all until they absolutely need to be done to get further into the game.
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Kickass! I seriously hope that a glitch like that does exist.BROCKY
i had problems with my licenses as well i got stuck on the S licenses. but i tried and tried untill i past nearly all of them but got stuck on the last one (getting gold) So i decided to envite a friend over and use him to do the test it took him at least five tries but at the end we finally made it and got the prize car Wow what a fast car (lol) So if your stuck on something just envite a friend over
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hitman146
One of my mates is copying my memory card all the time, another mate is getting me to do his licence tests in all gold, only have to get S licence in gold for him now. The last S licence was abit of a hard one, because you start going fast through the circuit, and you get confident and try to go faster everywhere and next thing you know "OHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHH", lol.
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Maybe the tests were easy so that people looking to just go racing will be able to go racing without having to worry about being bombarded with license test after license test. If you think you can do better with a certain test, just go back to it and improve your score. Keep trying and you should do just fine. Remember, you don't need to ace all the tests. A bronze is what you should look to acheive EVERY TIME. When you get more experienced, go for silver. When you're ready to go all out to win, gold is your prize. With gold prizes, remember. With the time given for gold, you're going to have to do something that the demo driver doesn't to win. Can you prove that you're as good, if not better, than the demo driver? Prove it! Go for gold! And good luck!!!
To go off-topic, my favorite license test is IA-19 with the wicked Nissan R92CP at Le Mans (without chicanes). When you find your favorite license test, you'll usually find yourself wanting to improve all the way up to gold.
To go off-topic, my favorite license test is IA-19 with the wicked Nissan R92CP at Le Mans (without chicanes). When you find your favorite license test, you'll usually find yourself wanting to improve all the way up to gold.
I found many of the license tests in GT2 and 3 to be grueling annoyances, just to get bronze (I'm not the world's greatest driver, heh). It annoyed me because I was required to do things I would never (or rarely) do in a race -- i.e. use really poor default suspensions, never touch the grass, not abuse the ability to slide off walls etc. I thought of the license tests as obstacles I had to get past to get to more fun.
In GT4 some combination of the game and my attitude has changed. Many of the license tests are fun, and in few tests have I had trouble getting bronze first try (second if the car's a bit weird and I have to adjust). Had to do the Ring about 5 times, but was distracted, and the 5th time I nearly got gold.
More to the point, the tests seem much more relevant now. Maybe it's the addition of the 5-second penalty and the street rallies and lots of practice racing Amalfi with many different cars just to earn money Maybe it's all those races that require N or S tires. Or maybe the lessons are finally sinking in...
In GT4 some combination of the game and my attitude has changed. Many of the license tests are fun, and in few tests have I had trouble getting bronze first try (second if the car's a bit weird and I have to adjust). Had to do the Ring about 5 times, but was distracted, and the 5th time I nearly got gold.
More to the point, the tests seem much more relevant now. Maybe it's the addition of the 5-second penalty and the street rallies and lots of practice racing Amalfi with many different cars just to earn money
Maybe it's all those races that require N or S tires. Or maybe the lessons are finally sinking in...
