GT4 License Tests: I Give Up

[shambo]

A little crude, but effective.

ill try and not to be so rude, with my reply!!!!!!!but i do have a job and a proper car that needs lots of tlc,,time factor hear im afraid,,,losser no ,,just pressed for time 👎 to say no body has ever cheated at any of the gt games ,would be daft,,,no nasty comments please , i thought we were here to help oneanother??

 

[FoolKiller]

"Never give up, never surrender!" -- Galaxy Quest

I have found that I can do better if I get myself worked into the game a little bit first. I will go do some races and try and get "in the zone." I am typically unaware of when this happens unless someone walks into the room. Once I held an entire conversation with my fiance while racing and never took my eyes off the screen. The odd thing is that I couldn't actually tell you what was on the screen. All I know is that my thumbs were moving like crazy and I was barely thinking about it. It was as if my subconcious took over control of the game while I held the conversation in my concious mind. After the first time I beat a race and don't actually remember the race is when I go tackle the hard license or mission that I am having trouble with. I usually get it within a couple of tries then.

When I get determined to beat a test and can't get myself into it mentally I will go buy the car and tune it to as close as the test car as possible and then drive that track over and over. If my mind won't do it then I will train my body to just perform the track out of habit. That might explain the callouses on my thumbs though.

Anyway, it is all about patience and mindset.

UK 72, EKU 64 GO CATS!!!

 

[KidA]

Once I held an entire conversation with my fiance while racing and never took my eyes off the screen.

Dude, are you still engaged???

EDIT: shambo...my point is that I can't cheat on licenses. Something inside me says "don't do it." I just can't give up. Did I cheat and get a save with every single F1 on it in GT3? Hell yeah I did. I wanted the cars. But for licenses, I want the golds and I want to do it myself. Just a personal thing.

 

[thegreatms]

Once I held an entire conversation with my fiance while racing and never took my eyes off the screen.

I've had that happen. It's like your eyes get directly connected to your hands and feet so you don't have to think about driving, you just react. Then you mind is free to do other things, have a conversation, space out, whatever, i end up thinking about work, bills, or my real car most the time. Then voila its 20 minutes later and you won the race. Its like half my brain becomes my b-spec driver... maybe i have multipule personalities??

To the original poster, I would sugest at least trying the S licenses first, don't even think about silver or gold; just try to get bronze. On the long courses they give some decent margins to get bronze.

 

[smellysocks12]

All I can say is watch the demonstration of the test, see where the AI driver brakes and try to immitate him. Should at least get you bronze if you know the track off the head.

 

[VeNoM_NY_USA]

i beat all of the tests except super in one day.i thought it was too easy...then again it minght be the dpf im using

I don't think it is just the DFP as I use a DS2. I did my regular B & A licenses the first day I had GT4 and the iB, iA, and S licenses the next day. Only a few of the tests took more than one try. Some people just get them easily and some have trouble. My friend is having a hard time beating the M-B 190E Evo at the N'ring test bc he pushes too hard and goes off. He refuses to let me do it for him, but has kind of stalled on it.

 

[smellysocks12]

I've had that happen. It's like your eyes get directly connected to your hands and feet so you don't have to think about driving, you just react. Then you mind is free to do other things, have a conversation, space out, whatever, i end up thinking about work, bills, or my real car most the time. Then voila its 20 minutes later and you won the race. Its like half my brain becomes my b-spec driver... maybe i have multipule personalities??

To the original poster, I would sugest at least trying the S licenses first, don't even think about silver or gold; just try to get bronze. On the long courses they give some decent margins to get bronze.

Usually I drive better when thinking about other things than when I actually try to break record times, haha.

 

[Adam_b24]

i like the licences, a little too challenging at times but i have all of them and most all silvers in all the but ib and s

 

[shambo]

Dude, are you still engaged???

EDIT: shambo...my point is that I can't cheat on licenses. Something inside me says "don't do it." I just can't give up. Did I cheat and get a save with every single F1 on it in GT3? Hell yeah I did. I wanted the cars. But for licenses, I want the golds and I want to do it myself. Just a personal thing.

cool,,,cheers

 

[chameleon2]

the more you practise, the more fun you get out of it.
For me it's a game....a game with really really a lot of theoretical information. About car history, car tuning and driving. By practising a lot you are subconciously getting aware of how forces act on the car under certain conditions. They shouldn't be taken as facts, but usually I get the picture. And GT's physics just keeps amazing. And actually with the new physics engine I find the game a lot easier. The new engine gives more feedback from what the car is doing and because of the good elevation in tracks I somehow find corners easier to judge. What I'm basically saying is that it's easier in GT4 to judge whether you're going off the track than it is in GT3....

 

[justmatt]

I understand, I've been having a little more trouble than usual with a few license tests, but the irony is, they're the ones that should be easiest.

For instance, the very first test in the B license. It makes me feel like such a n00b. I can get silver just fine, but I've tried and tried and TRIED, watched the demo, etc and I cannot get gold in it! I just HATE the way that stupid FTO handles and I can't work with it.

Same thing for the first test in the A license. I watch the demo and concentrate like crazy and cannot get that extra .100 seconds off that I need.

It'd be easy for me to get all bronze I think, but I have a feeling if you get all gold, there's probably some kind of incentive.

Shoot, as long as I'm here, any pointers for the stuff I just mentioned?

 

[Linketh]

you know, you dont get any better by cheating out of them. youre going to run into races later that you arent going to be able to beat (without also cheating) if you cant develop your skills in the license tests.

when that happens i get a faster car. a-spec points do nothing so theres no point trying to max them out. you should borrow and action replay max off a friend and just enable all golds for all licences instead of going through a save game with lots of credits. its still fun, you just dont have to do the licenses. I havnt done that yet (i do own an armax) but i havnt even started ia yet. i should be fine i got some golds in ib

 

[Rockhound18]

It's not impossible to be good at GT4.

I run a DS2 using x and square and the d-pad (MT) and I still passed all the tests for all liscenses in 2 tries or less. I have all gold in B and A, all silver in iB and iA, and about 6 silvers in S.

Personally... I just dont think that liscense tests are that hard really. If you can't beat them, you shouldnt be in the higher class races, its that simple.

Anyways, if you cant beat the liscense tests you are never gonna come even close to beating all the missions. It took me 7 hours to finally beat mission 34, and many of the 11-20/25-34 missions took 3 or 4 tries.

So if you actually plan on getting 100% or getting all the cars, you need to actually do the stuff and PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. Being crunched for time is not an excuse really. I don't have hours a day to play, but that doesnt mean I'm gonna cut corners so I can beat the game as fast as possible! That's just stupid. Why would you pay money for something you want to cheat at? It just doesnt make sense.

Personally, I wouldnt be satisfied if I had to cheat to get through the game. Whatever floats your boat is fine, but youre missing out on a lot of fun in my opinion.

 

[MuFF]

just practice buddy, i only failed 5 times from all the licenses.. wouldn't it be good if b-spec racer helps you do licenses? hahah

 

[KidA]

...the very first test in the B license. It makes me feel like such a n00b...I just HATE the way that stupid FTO handles and I can't work with it.
Same thing for the first test in the A license?

B1 is a braking test in the Demio. Did you mean that one? A1 is the FTO, though. My experience on the early tests is that you need to be smooth, brake a little early, and get a good exit speed. It's easy to overdo it. I don't have a save on A1 so I would have to do it again later for better advice, which I need to do anyway.

 

[Bomer]

Surely you jest?

The licence tests on GT4 are easier than on 3, its simple to get Bronze on every licence in this game, but they've made the golds harder to get later on.

Just keep at it, watch the videos, watch your reply, try harder.

 

[antisport.net]

The battle is half the fun, think of it like this if your having trouble try something different...

 

[enos79]

I have found that the License Tests in GT4 are a bit tougher, but only because they are a bit more realistic. Especially with the rally, this is where I had the toughest time. Also, IMO, you NEED the Driving Force Pro wheel. You can become a much more skilled driver with it. I imported my GT3 data, so I only had to start with the iB license, but all I have to finish now is the final for my Super License. Some of the tests on the Super License were incredibly difficult, but with the wheel, you really feel like you are learning something and honing your skills, and eventually, you WILL pass them.

 

[Grip]

yes, the licesences arnt that hard, for me atleast. I have been playing the GT Games since GT1, so i am used to the game.

So, is this your first time playing a GT Game? if so, you will get better. You can learn this fast, but it may take foreever to master it.

For example.
My cousin, who had never played a somewhat realistic racing game was a ble to do a 1:09:75 at highspeedring within a hour and a half., He complained that it was hard, after that he couldnt put the controller down.

 

[KidA]

IMO, you NEED the Driving Force Pro wheel.

That's a subjective thing but if there is one test where the DFP can make a huge difference on gold it's IA15, the Nissan R92CP Race Car '92 at La Sarthe. I couldn't believe how hard it was to keep from braking the wheels lose on that one. Someone suggested that you make sure the car is pointed dead straight before giving it gas, and that helped, but I got a wheel later and it was night and day.

Re A1: Shift just before hitting the rev limiter. Begin turning into the corner then tap the brakes. You want to try and keep the cars' momentum up. If the car slows too much, it will take too much time getting back up to speed. Try taking the second lane on the first corner and the first lane on the second corner. Again, brake as little as possible and try to keep your speed up. Don't think "fast" on this test.

PS - hey Grip, I think my Avatar just passed yours

 

[justmatt]

B1 is a braking test in the Demio. Did you mean that one? A1 is the FTO, though. My experience on the early tests is that you need to be smooth, brake a little early, and get a good exit speed. It's easy to overdo it. I don't have a save on A1 so I would have to do it again later for better advice, which I need to do anyway.

Yeah, you're right. I was talking about the FTO in reference to the A1 test. I got gold easily on the next test, which was the same corner in a different car. It's just, with that FTO there, I can't get it right. It's pissing me off because it's the FIRST test for that license and I'm stuck on it, while I have solid gold on like the next 4 or 5 tests.

I mentioned B1 because I'm having trouble with that one too. I think it might be in my start. That little car they have you in peels out like MAD when you start off, then the power drops dramatically. I'll get them eventually, I just have to figure out what little nuance I'm missing.

I'd appreciate any advice.

 

[FRST]

really man to get bronze in the licenses at least until S (only did 4 licenses there until now) is really easy and I'm no good at driving actually I scream and hit everything I can touch when I miss a license by 0,1 sec and still IB and IA bronze were not that hard for me
golds are impossible for me there's no way I will ever do them in international so I don't even bother....when I take already 3h to get a silver in NA ther'es no hope..

I think maybe you should do like me watch the demo stand back for a while and then retry copying at leats the speeds the Ai takes really helps and watching where it brakes I'm not saying you'll get gold or silver but bronze in IB,IA really aren't "too much"

best example I can think of was the full nurburgring lap with the twitchy Mercedes Evo2 I was constantly failing because I tried to go too fast, I tried again driving as safe as I could not even accelerating at full speed in some parts just to make sure I won't drift in the grass and I passed bronze only for 0,4 secs but still made it

I'm currently trying real hard to get silver in NA to get the honda dual note which was a great car in GT concept maybe I will finally get it.

As for the golds I dont' really car except that I really want :
A(Gold) : NISSAN SKYLINE GT-R (Gran Turismo Version) '01
IA(Silver) : NISSAN GT-R Concept (TokyoShow) '01 (a drifting beast in GTC so I w ant it!!!)

so yes as soon as I get working Action replay for the pal version I^'m going to cheat me a NA gold and a IA gold so I can get those cars but that's it I won't cheta for anything else (btw PAL gold times are harder than US ones I got some in a friends US GT4 but there's no way I'll ever get them in PAL..great....so great...)

 

[KidA]

I mentioned B1 because I'm having trouble with that one too...I'd appreciate any advice.

This is from the junkies B guide:

B1 - Driving Park Test Course 100m, Start and Stop; Mazda Demio (J) `99

Launch at about 3000 RPM in 1st gear at full throttle. Hold 1st gear until 26-27 mph and shift to 2nd. Halfway through the '100' on the ground, start braking and steering slightly left, don't forget to downshift.

 

[Lethalchem]

(btw PAL gold times are harder than US ones I got some in a friends US GT4 but there's no way I'll ever get them in PAL..great....so great...)

The US one is easier? Why would they do that? Did the car/tracks change in some small way which necessitated altering the time requirements?

 

[PrecisionD]

I hated, hated, hated, doing licenses. Every license I hated getting through, BUT, now that I've got through every except for S license's Nuburgring (#16), I've come to appreciate what skills I've gained.

You have to practice at least to the point where you're close, like 2 seconds or so. Once you reach that point, you're winning run could come at any attempt. Don't give up, you'll come to like what you've learned. The best feeling is winning in races with a standard type car, and winning a race on a course that you barely even know.

One thing that abhor and love about racing games and I guess about racing in general is that you have to have so much concentration to get through them. In addition to this you have to have lightning fast reflexes and the right amount of bravado and caution. Love it and hate it cause its so hard.

Don't give up, once you've gone through the courses in your S licenses enough, you will come upon that threshold where you can win any moment. Remember the game's beatable.

I suggest taking a break from it and coming back to it later. In the beginning I wished there was some sort of map with a briefing on what gear and speed you should be at at this turn or that. But that would be kind of taking away from what the game is supposed to teach you. Just don't give up and take your breaks away from the game when you get frustrated.

Right now I'm closer to getting past my last s license. I was frustrated but came back it to in short sessions so I don't get burnt. Finally the layout of the track and the smoothness in steering and accelerating started to come. Anyway, I know I'm close to beating this license. Remember this is supposed to be fun, so when you start to take it too seriously and it gets to you. Just go do something else that is fun.

PrecisionD

 

[BaronCAD]

Once I held an entire conversation with my fiance while racing and never took my eyes off the screen.

Did that too, only the wife come back home with a $300 bedroom set.
Have since learned to pause the game.

 

[FRST]

The US one is easier? Why would they do that? Did the car/tracks change in some small way which necessitated altering the time requirements?

PAL times were always harder than NTSC versions actually
in the previous GTs it was simply because of the 60Hz 50Hz thing
the clock was ticking at the right speed BUT your NTSC 60hz version was going faster than the PAL one (15% faster if I'm correct) resulting in times harder for us European PAL players to achieve....
same clock but 15% faster animation = 15% faster cars !!!

I think in Gt4 they tweaked the PAL speed to match the NTSC speed but they changed some license times for harder ones...not sure tough I need to go to my friend's house when he'll have time and compare times in most of the licenses...

 

[fr33style]

I remember quitting GT1 for 6 months cause of trouble with licenses

Return in the summertime, beat it, and subsequently fell in love with the series.

I found this license the easiest of them all, except for freaking S-15 (i think). I wouldn't call my self a good driver either, but I mean I was able to get bronze on most first tries.

 

[Ax Battler]

Only done up to I-B and the first of I-A

I don't mind the short ones like under 90 seconds but I really hate the full circuit ones that take so long. I get frustrated too easily and don't have a lot of free time so I understand where the poster is coming from.

I've played all the GT series and never had a single gold on a license test, so far on GT4 most of my times have been just short of silver and I happily settle for a bronze. At the end of the day what's the point in spending all those hours trying to get gold if you don't have the spare time? the rewards aren't great and I have no one I feel like bragging too, I just prefer to get on with the racing.

I managed the licences in all the other games so fingers crossed I can scrape through the rest of them without feeling the urge to cheat.

 

[KidA]

I was going to suggest that the reason to do license tests is because they're there but then the coffee tests came along so that blows that theory.

Here are couple other things to consider. First, someone mentioned taking breaks. This is important. The more you repeatedly try the tests, the higher your adrenaline level gets (you can feel it). The higher your adrenaline gets, the less stable your brain becomes and the more twitchy and overreactive you become. Examples of this abound in real life, ie., fights at sporting events, road rage, etc. The answer? Take a break. Chill for 15 minutes. Come back later. Your performance will most likely improve.

A related reality is that, the harder you push yourself to get to a certain edge (in anything), the more likely you are to make mistakes. Why? Because you're trying to get to a place you've never been before. That can be frustrating too. Like "g*d damn, I was five tenths ahead of my ghost on that one and I ****ed it up AGAIN!" But you learned something. Again, take a break. Try to avoid drinking or smoking cigarettes during breaks because alcohol and nicotine also mess with your blood and your brain. Unless you're just farting around then drink and smoke as much as you want, but don't expect to be good at GT.

Anyway, the key word here is control. Control your car. Control your emotions. Control your urges. That's what makes great race car drivers great.