GT4 Rally Physics?

[Scaff]

I know this sounds like sacralidge but how about trying the old dual shock out for rally maybe its too do with the faster respone in terms of going lock too lock you can get with the dual shock. Also try it with a pure rally car they seem better setup for it, id like too know if it feels diffrent

On Prologue I always found the DS2 much earier than the wheel, particularly on Grand Canyon.

Could be just the wheel.

BTW, you will need the wheel for RBR, it can be done with the pad, but with the level of throttle and brake control needed I have found the wheel to be a much better tool.

Just don't expect either to be easy.

 

[Soo-Em_Roi]

WOW! THANX Guys for all the input! 👍
For some reason I don't think PD will ever offer us "Stage" Rallies.

I own the original "WRC" Game & "WRC II" (which unfortunately is PAL format & only plays on my "Flip-top" equipped machine in Black & White. ) They're both fun but a bit more "Arcade-Like" than GT. IMO they'd be much improved if GT's physics package were incorporated. I'm attempting to purchase "WRC III" NTSC-J Version as my GT4P is also in that format & plays perfectly.
Thankfully I "Rented" as opposed to purchased Colin McRae Rally (#3 I believe.) If you think GT's physics are unrealistic, try this one! 👎 I now know what a "Rally- Hovercraft" would feel like! Almost NO Feedback at all! (I drive w/DFPro @ 100%)
THANX Again, I guess there'll be NO BIG Surprises, Good or Bad concerning GT4's Rally section.

 

[akak]

WOW! THANX Guys for all the input! 👍
For some reason I don't think PD will ever offer us "Stage" Rallies.

I own the original "WRC" Game & "WRC II" (which unfortunately is PAL format & only plays on my "Flip-top" equipped machine in Black & White. ) They're both fun but a bit more "Arcade-Like" than GT. IMO they'd be much improved if GT's physics package were incorporated. I'm attempting to purchase "WRC III" NTSC-J Version as my GT4P is also in that format & plays perfectly.
Thankfully I "Rented" as opposed to purchased Colin McRae Rally (#3 I believe.) If you think GT's physics are unrealistic, try this one! 👎 I now know what a "Rally- Hovercraft" would feel like! Almost NO Feedback at all! (I drive w/DFPro @ 100%)
THANX Again, I guess there'll be NO BIG Surprises, Good or Bad concerning GT4's Rally section.

DO NOT BUY WRC3!!!!! its has the worst handling wait for wrc4, wrc3 looks lovely but the handling is so very very wrong wrc2 was better,in wrc3 you make mistakes not because of bad driving but because the handling is so inconsitant you cannot learn how too drive in wrc3, its feels like the car has totally diffrent physics for each corner its sooooo horrible!!!!!!!

 

[Gabkicks]

well, its because i heard not every car locks at 900 degrees even though its in 900 mode. so turning all the way is a waste of energy for some cars maybe? Rally steering wheels are really really really sensative in real life, for most drivers.

 

[Cosmic]

The only thing I can sya tahat GT4 rally psychics changed a lot from the previous GT games

 

[akak]

The only thing I can sya tahat GT4 rally psychics changed a lot from the previous GT games

better or worse would you say?

 

[Cosmic]

better or worse would you say?

Both. It feels if you were driving on ice sometimes.

 

[akak]

Both. It feels if you were driving on ice sometimes.

i know what you mean it does feel like the grip needs upping very slighty, other than the slight slippy feel id say its miles better than previous rally portions more driver imput and car feedback is always a good thing

 

[neurokinetik]

Both. It feels if you were driving on ice sometimes.

Which is good, because sometimes, you really are!

 

[robbo6]

Is anyone bothering to alter the setup of the cars to improve the handling? That has always been a huge aspect of the GT series.

 

[FRST]

I was gonna post this as its own thread. but i will post it here.


What is harder, GT4 rallying? or Richard Burns Rally (PC)? I imagine GT4 is a piece of cake compared to RIchard burns rally.

I had less problems whith richard burns than with gt4 prologue rally driving..i really hope it's easier in gt4

Richard burns told me something tough ....braking and accelerating at the same time to put more weight on the front wheels if you didn't know it try it in gt4 it helps..thanks richard burns rally

 

[Soo-Em_Roi]

DO NOT BUY WRC3!!!!! its has the worst handling wait for wrc4, wrc3 looks lovely but the handling is so very very wrong wrc2 was better,in wrc3 you make mistakes not because of bad driving but because the handling is so inconsitant you cannot learn how too drive in wrc3, its feels like the car has totally diffrent physics for each corner its sooooo horrible!!!!!!!

THANX akak! 👍 Now that you mention it I remember reading that somewhere. Since it looks like the maker lied when they said there'd be a NTSC No America version at last year's E3 show, guess I'll try to get a NTSC-J version. Too bad I don't read Japanese !

 

[KSaiyu]

**** RBR is awesome, it's JUST the game I've been looking for. While it took me about 4 tries to get gold times in rally in GT4, it's taken me about 20 just to PASS the final advanced lesson in RBR. Also it really is getting annoying how little grip the cars have in GT4 rallying, it's so unrealistic - I'm pretty sure prologue got it done better, will have to see.

 

[neurokinetik]

Grip levels seem highly course dependent, though, which is how it should be, really. I can't do Ice Arena to save my life, but I've now gotten quite good (IMHO) at Swiss Alps (prior course knowledge from GT3 helps), at least in the forward direction. Cathedaral Rocks is not too bad, either.

Grand Canyon is a real biznitch, though. I think I'm saving that one for last.

Anybody got any rally lap times to compare?

Right now, the only one I think I am doing well on is Swiss Alps forward, I can pull 1:38s on it pretty consistently, with a couple of bests in the 1:37s.

 

[akak]

Grip levels seem highly course dependent, though, which is how it should be, really. I can't do Ice Arena to save my life, but I've now gotten quite good (IMHO) at Swiss Alps (prior course knowledge from GT3 helps), at least in the forward direction.

Grand Canyon is a real biznitch, though. I think I'm saving that one for last.

Id like too know a little more about this ice rally is it just one track?? and does it actually feel like you driving on snow and ice? oh oh and how many rally tracks are in gt4

 

[Soo-Em_Roi]

@ neurokinetik: I don't have GT4 yet, (12 more days I "Hope!" ) but I've run Grand Canyon a bit in GTP. I'd be glad to look up the times if it would help.
BTW: Would I be safe to "Assume" Grand Canyon is the same in GTP & GT4? Thank you. 👍

 

[KSaiyu]

Grip levels seem highly course dependent, though, which is how it should be, really. I can't do Ice Arena to save my life, but I've now gotten quite good (IMHO) at Swiss Alps (prior course knowledge from GT3 helps), at least in the forward direction. Cathedaral Rocks is not too bad, either.

Grand Canyon is a real biznitch, though. I think I'm saving that one for last.

Anybody got any rally lap times to compare?

Right now, the only one I think I am doing well on is Swiss Alps forward, I can pull 1:38s on it pretty consistently, with a couple of bests in the 1:37s.

The problem is Swiss alps gives lots more room, so the lack of grip isn't that noticible - you can really see the problem driving swiss alps reverse at this one corner (I forgot which one) - it's insane, it's like driving on ice.

 

[leenis24]

If any of you get the chance to Play RBR, do it. It is the most realistic Rally game to date. Love it. Its so hard, and thats what makes it so real. Its hard to drive a whole stage without messing up. The handling is so precise, so real.

Im sure GT4 will not be like RBR, but im sure it will be a little more realistic than in GT3. Only 12 more days and i'll find out.

 

[neurokinetik]

The problem is Swiss alps gives lots more room, so the lack of grip isn't that noticible - you can really see the problem driving swiss alps reverse at this one corner (I forgot which one) - it's insane, it's like driving on ice.

It is a bit wider, but I started driving Cathedral Rocks II tonight and found that I can do pretty well on that one, too, despite the fact that it is pretty narrow in most areas.

Best times so far are 1:12:5xx. (forward direction)

Now Chamonix and Ice Arena really tick me off. The grip at those places really is nonexistent, and every time you try to go around a corner, it is a real struggle to keep the car from over-rotating and putting you into the inside wall. Serious throttle and brake control is required at these two spots. Chamonix is like Tahiti Maze on ice. I think I dislike that one even more than Grand Canyon.

OT, what regions is RBR available in? US/Europe/Asia? My PS2 is chipped, but I'd prefer an NTSC version in English if at all possible.

Id like too know a little more about this ice rally is it just one track?? and does it actually feel like you driving on snow and ice? oh oh and how many rally tracks are in gt4

There are two tracks with ice and snow, and yes, it really feels like it. Not anything like the Akina Snow stage in Inital D Stage 3 arcade game, which was nowhere near realistic. There are 11 rally tracks, 5 of which are dirt/gravel, two are ice and snow, the rest are tarmac (one of the tarmac courses is wet).

 

[leenis24]

RBR is only availible in europe i believe. Its on PS2, XBOX, and PC

 

[kinigitt]

RBR is only availible in europe i believe. Its on PS2, XBOX, and PC

get the PC one.

 

[leenis24]

get the PC one.

I had to download the PC version.

 

[kinigitt]

I had to download the PC version.

yep. it's so dumb that they didn't import it here.

 

[leenis24]

I know. Europe has quite a few racing games that they dont have here. It makes me mad.

 

[Blues]

I know. Europe has quite a few racing games that they dont have here. It makes me mad.

They probably do that because its more popular over there.

On the traction: Do you have to be extra soft on the brakes? Or can you slow down relatively quick aslong as u dont lock them?

In GT3 it felt like punching it, and slowing down as fast as possible didnt really go with each other on the dirt...

 

[akak]

It is a bit wider, but I started driving Cathedral Rocks II tonight and found that I can do pretty well on that one, too, despite the fact that it is pretty narrow in most areas.

Best times so far are 1:12:5xx. (forward direction)

Now Chamonix and Ice Arena really tick me off. The grip at those places really is nonexistent, and every time you try to go around a corner, it is a real struggle to keep the car from over-rotating and putting you into the inside wall. Serious throttle and brake control is required at these two spots. Chamonix is like Tahiti Maze on ice. I think I dislike that one even more than Grand Canyon.

OT, what regions is RBR available in? US/Europe/Asia? My PS2 is chipped, but I'd prefer an NTSC version in English if at all possible.



There are two tracks with ice and snow, and yes, it really feels like it. Not anything like the Akina Snow stage in Inital D Stage 3 arcade game, which was nowhere near realistic. There are 11 rally tracks, 5 of which are dirt/gravel, two are ice and snow, the rest are tarmac (one of the tarmac courses is wet).

im impressed 11 rally tracks is a good number 👍

 

[3rdgenracerX]

I haven't had any problems driving the rally tracks in GT4. I'm using the DFP and the sequential shifter. I'm not using the paddle shifters at all, why? Because its ungodly fun to drive with one hand on the wheel and the other shifting. Really fun when you have to countersteer with one hand while your shifting gears.
Just like it should be the rally tracks are wicked when driving flat out, when your driving "while using your DFP" you should look like the guys in the WRC. Those with the DFP anyways will be making the same kind of steering imputs like the WRC guys. With the exception of the Ebrake, I cant use it at all since its the O button on the wheel. Its far to adkward and time consuming to press it when you really would need to use the ebrake.

Sure Ice Arena and Chamonix are hard to drive on, but come on your driving on ice. Its going to be hard, but what I think is making it feel even worse is that were are driving with regular dirt tires instead of narrow studded tires for snow and ice.
I've driven on ice before with normal street tire's and it feels close to the same to me anyways. Go slowww in, kick the car sideways and drift out. Both tracks are hard to race on and you will run into the ditch or wall's if you don't slow down soon enough for the corners, or if you botch your corner exit. Chamonix's turn complex's at the very end of the track are very difficult to navigate and easy to completely loose it by entering the corners too fast.


I've been having ALOT of fun with the rally tracks. When i'm driving them I really feel like i'm driving a rally car because i'm working my butt off with the DFP to keep the car going in the right direction. GT4's rally is soo much better than GT3's in every single way. I couldn't stand the GT3 rally tracks but GT4's have me enjoying rallying.

 

[neurokinetik]

I had a revelation this weekend, and figured out the way to drive a rally car. It totally makes sense now. The key is to brake hard for the corner (using the gear indicator as a guide), using a little steering to get the car starting to turn, and then use full throttle the whole rest of the way, while pointing the steering wheel where you want to go, and no matter how bad it looks, just keep your foot to the floor. The idea is the keep all four wheels spinning at all times when you go around the corners, and the car will just launch itself as it straightens out.

Now I understand why modern rally cars are made to produce so much torque.

After I figured this out, I was able to beat most of the rally stages in special conditions hall, even Tahiti Maze when running against the Delta S4. (I was running the Evo VI rally car). I can now run 2:21:xxx consistently on Tahiti Maze with the Evo VI. (It does have the stage 3 turbo, but I'm not convinced it really helps. I tried the stage 4, but the loss of torque actually made the car much slower in the turns.)

I shared my knowledge with my friends this weekend, and after trying it, they agreed that this is the way rally cars are meant to be driven. Made for some pretty impressive-looking replays, too.

If you don't drive rally this way already, try it using either the Peugot 206, the Evo VI, or the Escort Rally cars, preferably on Tahiti Maze because once you get the hang of the 180s there, the other courses go much easier. (except for the ice/snow tracks)

 

[akak]

I had a revelation this weekend, and figured out the way to drive a rally car. It totally makes sense now. The key is to brake hard for the corner (using the gear indicator as a guide), using a little steering to get the car starting to turn, and then use full throttle the whole rest of the way, while pointing the steering wheel where you want to go, and no matter how bad it looks, just keep your foot to the floor. The idea is the keep all four wheels spinning at all times when you go around the corners, and the car will just launch itself as it straightens out.

Now I understand why modern rally cars are made to produce so much torque.

After I figured this out, I was able to beat most of the rally stages in special conditions hall, even Tahiti Maze when running against the Delta S4. (I was running the Evo VI rally car). I can now run 2:21:xxx consistently on Tahiti Maze with the Evo VI. (It does have the stage 3 turbo, but I'm not convinced it really helps. I tried the stage 4, but the loss of torque actually made the car much slower in the turns.)

I shared my knowledge with my friends this weekend, and after trying it, they agreed that this is the way rally cars are meant to be driven. Made for some pretty impressive-looking replays, too.

If you don't drive rally this way already, try it using either the Peugot 206, the Evo VI, or the Escort Rally cars, preferably on Tahiti Maze because once you get the hang of the 180s there, the other courses go much easier. (except for the ice/snow tracks)

yep i found the same thing, making corners is more dependant on throttle than it ever was in gt3, i like the rallying alot more now and your right it does look much cooler in replays........maybe its because your forced too use this realistic driving technic??

 

[newbielives]

You guys spark my interest back into Richard burns, it soo good Its making it a lot easier to wait for GT4.

Driving the narrow roads in richard burns really gives you a sense of speed and hardcore technique.

France's narrow winding tarmac roads are just awesome.