GT4 vs Forza [Let the battle begin]
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Tacet_Blue
And I thought there was some tribalism in the Flight Sim world... They aint seen nothing yet.
As a new member of this forum, I will attempt to tread lightly for the moment.
In terms of this debate/discussion etc, I do have one observation.
A couple of days ago I was at my local EB store and happened to see a video/ canned demo of Forza.
My only comment is that the producers of Forza will be doing themselves a huge disservice by letting that demo out into the public as the quality was extremely bad. As a hopefelly neutral observer, the graphics could be described as poor (at best) and the vehicle movements somewhat erratic. I think that one GT fan described it as cartoonish. Unfortunately this is exactly how it came across on the screen in the middle of the store, completely contrary to the descriptions of the many Forza fans in this thread.
This was a disappointment to me as I was looking for an excuse to buy the X-Box and Forza seemed the best way forward. You see, the only reason I bought the PS1 and PS2 was for the GT series.
Anyhow, I hope there is a newer demo that will be made available on a magazine CD that I may be able to use at a friend's place to get a better handle on Forza.
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-I was wrong about the 60fps, 1080i 16 cars thing. I dont kno where I read it somewhere, but it was probably deep in the buries of this very thread...Tacet_Blue
-I watched, not one, not even two, but three postage stamp sized videos of Forza. And each one of them had more realistic graphics, smoother edges, and better physics than GT3. Plus, from what we know now, forza has 100+ more cars, online mode, 2 cars more on track, high def support. But, I was not implying that GT3 was ****, not bashing it at all. GT3 rocked, and it is fun. I even still race it online, go look in week 84 thread, I came in the middle of the pack for div 2. I don't see where I bashed GT3, but Forza is a better game than GT3 already IMO...
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very old, but its still the king of tha hill when it comes to racing games these days 
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Most likely. Give or take the last two.
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TriplePlay
All the vids of Forza I've seen, suck balls...which vids have you seen? And everyone whose seen the 40% complete version says it is not impressive. I like what I read about the game but I'm really starting to dislike how arrogant the developers are. They talk so much crap but have yet to prove anything to the public.
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- yeti_c
I don't care... I've not got an Xbox... not likely to get one... and I've got a PS2 and have GT4 on pre-order.
I can't afford to get a new console these days... I'm sure that I'll be left with GT4 and GTA:SA as the last games I buy until I have children.... or become rich!!
C.
I can't afford to get a new console these days... I'm sure that I'll be left with GT4 and GTA:SA as the last games I buy until I have children.... or become rich!!
C.
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- gtxlr
Just viewed the videos ZERO posted.
While the graphics did look clean, the overall look to me was more of an arcade racer look, cant quite put my finger on why, it just didnt look like a real location.
But my main concern seemed to be the simplistic handling model on show, raving about 2 text books worth of Physics going into there engine means bugger all when you see those vids.
The car was weaving all over the road and while it laid some rubber down, it didnt get out of control or attempt to spin out once, the same can be said after repeatedly hitting the walls, that showed absoloutley no realism.
While the graphics did look clean, the overall look to me was more of an arcade racer look, cant quite put my finger on why, it just didnt look like a real location.
But my main concern seemed to be the simplistic handling model on show, raving about 2 text books worth of Physics going into there engine means bugger all when you see those vids.
The car was weaving all over the road and while it laid some rubber down, it didnt get out of control or attempt to spin out once, the same can be said after repeatedly hitting the walls, that showed absoloutley no realism.
- 3,802
Dunkee, get a brain. I like BOTH arcade games and sim racers, I just found that GT3 was GT2, with less cars, tartier graphics, same crap AI and VERY unrealsitic handling. If realism to you is going slow, then you obviously have no idea what a real car is like to drive. I'm a graphics whore eh, and that's based on what info? Oh, none what so ever
I'm the graphics whore eh, yet your the one who can't see Gt3 for what it really is, Gt2 with less stuff and tartier graphics...coughThe best bit though is this
HOW DARE I LIKE FUN GAMES ROFL, it's as if he's implying that sims have to be broing. Comedy. Arcade games are great fun.
And why do I like gran turismo? I like racing games in general, not JUST GT, some of the vids I've seen of forza look pretty good, but I will ofc reserve my final judgement on the game when I've played a final version.
And GTXLR saying it "looks" like an arcade racer means nothing really, ferrari 355 in the arcades looked like an arcade racer...until you played it in full sim mode lol. But seriously, one vid I saw, and I'm sorry but I don't have a link (dld it a while ago) seemed pretty good, much better then most.
That's basically what I've been saying a long time ago: Forza will be like GT3, but with more cars, damage and car customization.
Something not beating GT4 but beating GT3. Anyway, since Forza and GT3 are the first games on 2nd gen console respectively for Xbox and PS2, I'm expecting Forza to battle with GT3 and, if it can, with GT4. And since GT3 was good enough to buy a console just for it, Forza probably can justify buying an Xbox just for it.
See ya
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GTXLR
Don't you see all driving assistance are switched on? 
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code_kevDunkee, get a brain. I like BOTH arcade games and sim racers, I just found that GT3 was GT2, with less cars, tartier graphics, same crap AI and VERY unrealsitic handling. If realism to you is going slow, then you obviously have no idea what a real car is like to drive. I'm a graphics whore eh, and that's based on what info? Oh, none what so ever
The best bit though is this
HOW DARE I LIKE FUN GAMES ROFL, it's as if he's implying that sims have to be broing. Comedy. Arcade games are great fun.
And why do I like gran turismo? I like racing games in general, not JUST GT, some of the vids I've seen of forza look pretty good, but I will ofc reserve my final judgement on the game when I've played a final version.
And GTXLR saying it "looks" like an arcade racer means nothing really, ferrari 355 in the arcades looked like an arcade racer...until you played it in full sim mode lol. But seriously, one vid I saw, and I'm sorry but I don't have a link (dld it a while ago) seemed pretty good, much better then most.
You yourself have called yourself a graphic whore...no need to get butt hurt when I repeat it. I like racing my friends in GT3...most satisfying racing I've ever had. That's why I think it's fun. It doesn't have all the gimmicks and fictional sense of speed like arcade racers but the challenge made up for that. Forza has the same realistic slow sense of speed like GT. If your expecting arcade type speed in Forza, your gonna be disappointed.
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Have you ever been in a fast car?
The only challenge I found is staying awake while playing GT3 tbh, every boring race the same, thrash the pants off the same boring AI, go at ridiculously slow speeds, under powered cars, crap sounds, dull tracks repeat till you reach 100%. Played GTR yet? Now that dunkee is a sim WITH a sense of speed, 100 mph feels scary in the middle of 19 cars, the cars feel like MONSTERS.
Dunno how liking arcadey racers makes me a graphics whore, I find that abit confusing LOL, obviouosly I like games too look good, but I think your just making assumptions about me. I don't dislike GT3 because of how it looks, it dislike it because it's not fun, and if you hadn't noticed, driving REAL cars is fun, so it can't be that good of a sim
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code_kevHave you ever been in a fast car?
The only challenge I found is staying awake while playing GT3 tbh, every boring race the same, thrash the pants off the same boring AI, go at ridiculously slow speeds, under powered cars, crap sounds, dull tracks repeat till you reach 100%. Played GTR yet? Now that dunkee is a sim WITH a sense of speed, 100 mph feels scary in the middle of 19 cars, the cars feel like MONSTERS.
Dunno how liking arcadey racers makes me a graphics whore, I find that abit confusing LOL, obviouosly I like games too look good, but I think your just making assumptions about me. I don't dislike GT3 because of how it looks, it dislike it because it's not fun, and if you hadn't noticed, driving REAL cars is fun, so it can't be that good of a sim
My car is fast. 245 HP in a 2800 lb car, coilover stiff 6/5 Kg suspension and big brakes...all these things because I like to drive slow 👍 I understand what you are trying to say...the sim mode in GT3 was boring but I only play GT3 to race my friends which is a lot of fun. I never bothered w/ 100%. GT3 did get a lot of complaints about feeling slow but it never bothered me when I played. BTW, I only called you a graphics whore bc...well, you are always criticizing graphics
Also, you've said you have more fun playing arcade games than GT...I was just wondering what it is you like about GT bc everything you say makes it seem like it's crap.
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That doesn't make me a graphics whore, it makes me a fussy git! lol. If I was a whore I'd judge the game on it's graphics alone.
nice car btw, and yeah, multiplayer is good, nothing beats racing against a friend of similar skill to your self. I have these EPIC fights on VF 4 evo with a friend, where we have mastered a character each....brilliant
I love the idea behind GT games, loads of cars etc, and when I first played Gt1 I was blown away, Gt2 was even better (MORE OF EVERYTHING), then GT3 came out, and I expected FAR more. So yeah I think it's crap. It's like how I love virtua fighter games, but I think the 3rd one is crap
From what I've played (gt4p) and seen, gt4 seems to be a pretty big improvement.
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code_kevThat doesn't make me a graphics whore, it makes me a fussy git! lol. If I was a whore I'd judge the game on it's graphics alone.
nice car btw, and yeah, multiplayer is good, nothing beats racing against a friend of similar skill to your self. I have these EPIC fights on VF 4 evo with a friend, where we have mastered a character each....brilliant
I love the idea behind GT games, loads of cars etc, and when I first played Gt1 I was blown away, Gt2 was even better (MORE OF EVERYTHING), then GT3 came out, and I expected FAR more. So yeah I think it's crap. It's like how I love virtua fighter games, but I think the 3rd one is crap
From what I've played (gt4p) and seen, gt4 seems to be a pretty big improvement.
Thanks for the comp
GT3 did suck a bit compared to GT2 but it had a better physics engine...even though it felt slower I think GT4 compared to GT3 will give the same impact GT2 did to GT1...at least it seems like it.BTW, I play Tekken
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S t e f a n
Driver assists is one thing, but that was damn right OTT, the game may as well be a simple arcade racer with no real world physics if that sort of assistance is available, at least in GT with assists on you can still manage to spin and crash.
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You can do it, if you go into the sand....
rockwilder
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Yo Folk there's more to life then a game ya'll need to move on
Oh yeah F@$# you Triple play
Oh yeah F@$# you Triple play
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