GT4 WRS Week 103 : The Valley of the Kings
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Sphinx
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The concrete areas behind the rumbles are fair game. 👍
Sorry for not making it clear earlier.
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- GTP_MisterWeary
First splits:
T1: 0`33.317
T2: 1`04.449
Hopefully another 0.5 - 1.0 seconds still 👍
T1: 0`33.317
T2: 1`04.449
Hopefully another 0.5 - 1.0 seconds still 👍
- 10,575
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There goes my save from last nightI expect another 1 second + at the line now with the concrete run offs available though
👍
The above prediction was way off
.. Just run this for half an hour using the cut off at the horseshoe after T1 and only made just over .1 at T2 and .150 at the line
I have both laps saved anyway! one that stays within the boundaries of the track and one that uses the concrete slightly just after T1 ... here's my splits so far with the cut off used ..
33.103 / 1'03.610
another .1 overall at the line and I'll be happy to submit 👍 It's a great combo and very easy to drive but also can be nearly at your limit very quickly and chasing thousandths is frustrating
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- GTP_gtbadboy
First attempt is not so great. Trying to babysit a five year old and run laps at the same time is not lending itself to posting any great times that's for sure. Seems "Barbie" doesn't know how to drive and "Ken" is of no help at all in the pits!! 
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1'09.122
In any event someone needs to sit on the bottom of the leader board eh?
35.281
1'09.122
In any event someone needs to sit on the bottom of the leader board eh?
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I'm a slow learner:
33.410
1:04.456
I rest my case.
Division 2.....DF Wheel
33.410
1:04.456
I rest my case.
Division 2.....DF Wheel
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- AngelCreator
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- driehuis (nl)
- GTP_Steven
james - big taa for the luxy update.
want to make an observation if that's ok ($0.02).
just like in the previous handicap race, there still is an (almost) perfect div1-2-3 lineup in the leaderboard despite the handicap. to me this means that the handicap difference is not big enough.
so my suggestion would be to next time enlarge the car potential differences, for instance by also varying the compound for the respective divisions. in the current handicap race it would be something like:
div 1 power +10% tyres r1
div 2 power +14% tyres r3
div 3 power +20% tyres r5
alternately, the power could be set as -10% - 0% - +10%.
want to make an observation if that's ok ($0.02).
just like in the previous handicap race, there still is an (almost) perfect div1-2-3 lineup in the leaderboard despite the handicap. to me this means that the handicap difference is not big enough.
so my suggestion would be to next time enlarge the car potential differences, for instance by also varying the compound for the respective divisions. in the current handicap race it would be something like:
div 1 power +10% tyres r1
div 2 power +14% tyres r3
div 3 power +20% tyres r5
alternately, the power could be set as -10% - 0% - +10%.
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a little more:
33.152
1:04.125
Division 2 DF Wheel
33.152
1:04.125
Division 2 DF Wheel
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- GTP_gtbadboy
Had another go at it this afternoon. "Ken and Barbie" are still no help. Maybe if I get my grand daughter to dress "Barbie" in something provocative I'll post a picture and it will distract you guys as I go crawling past! 💡
34.682
1'08.592
Edit: Handicap system is a great idea but Steve may have a point. I'd like to see it continued and maybe tweaked as we go along. Once we see a good mix of the better DivII and DivIII drivers at and or around the top of the leader board it will be more of a challange. Now, how we arrive at that point will be a topic for conversation and argumentation for some time. I suspect as "adults" however we might be able to achieve a fair and balanced handicap. I would not want to see it run every week however as the integrity of each Div should remain intact. Secretly however it would be nice to make Mr.P and the boys sweat a little from the dregs of DivIII
34.682
1'08.592
Edit: Handicap system is a great idea but Steve may have a point. I'd like to see it continued and maybe tweaked as we go along. Once we see a good mix of the better DivII and DivIII drivers at and or around the top of the leader board it will be more of a challange. Now, how we arrive at that point will be a topic for conversation and argumentation for some time. I suspect as "adults" however we might be able to achieve a fair and balanced handicap. I would not want to see it run every week however as the integrity of each Div should remain intact. Secretly however it would be nice to make Mr.P and the boys sweat a little from the dregs of DivIII
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That handicap would be too much for sure
R1 v R5 tyres is totally crazy D1 wouldn't stand a chance ... I wouldn't race it anyway against such odds anyway went back to the BMW and my new best lap has ... 33.077 / 1'03.483
Still a bit to clean up here and there but mainly in the last sections where I am under pressure through being ahead of my ghost
I'll probably have another session before the deadline anyway .. Good Luck to all in the results! 👍Cheers
Ron
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I have to say the same as Mr P. I was having loads of trouble with the R3's (even though I said I'd use them I'm not now) because you can't get around the corners as fast and Div3 would beat out every one.
I'll have my T times up sometime. I have a cold and I can't do much of anything else right now. So I'll just get the cold viruse allover my brother DFP.
Just kidding.
Laters,
Samantha
I have to say the same as Mr P. I was having loads of trouble with the R3's (even though I said I'd use them I'm not now) because you can't get around the corners as fast and Div3 would beat out every one.
I'll have my T times up sometime. I have a cold and I can't do much of anything else right now. So I'll just get the cold viruse allover my brother DFP.
Just kidding.Laters,
Samantha
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The difference between the compounds is about 1,5 seconds per lap, depending on car and track. Without adjusting the power, Div.3 would already have an advantage of 6 secs a lap. That would be a bit too much don't you think, Steven?
We could try a race with Div1 on R3, Div2 on R4 and Div3 on R5 with equal power and see what happens. Div2 will have the edge then I suspect, but a little experiment won't hurt.
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A similar week was done using S1-3 tyres on the Lancia Stratos, and I recall it had very even results.
Steven and badboy: From what I see, there's a very good reason for the handicap to appear "not enough" at the beginning of the week. The more expirienced and the faster a driver is, the faster he can adapt to a new combo - which is why Div3ers can, at times, cut whole seconds off their laptimes, while Div1 racers, I assume, cut not much more than a second during the whole week. It normally takes me half a week to figure out a combo and run quick times, while Div1 is already kicking strong. Same happened on the last handicap, but we all know who won...
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- GTP_gtbadboy
In response to all and the handicap.
1st: Being very new to all of this I wouldn't know what would be fair or not. Certainly I'm not the DivIII driver to base any handicap on. As stated above I can knock 4" off a run in three or four laps and then not see any improvement for a few days. It takes me a bit longer to determine a proper line of attack. Secondly consistancy plays a huge part and I'm not stating anything any of you don't already know. I can drive the same lines as the Div I and Div II drivers........once in awhile. I might hit the first three corners spot on then lookout. Therein lay the difference. IMHO
2nd: I feel the three Div system is very important. The incentive to get better and move up is what makes this fun and interesting. (at least to me) There are plenty of opportunities for me to jump in and take on Mr.P and the boys in DivI else where on this site. In fact they have all been very helpful to this driver to which I am grateful. Having said that, every once in awhile a GOOD handicap race would be nice just to pump up the ego.
3rd: Maybe the handicap should be an actual time alotment. Everyone driving the same equipment on the same track. Not sure what it would be but that's for the Stewards to determine. Maybe something based on the time difference over the last 5 races?? Soooooo there's my $.02 worth.
1st: Being very new to all of this I wouldn't know what would be fair or not. Certainly I'm not the DivIII driver to base any handicap on. As stated above I can knock 4" off a run in three or four laps and then not see any improvement for a few days. It takes me a bit longer to determine a proper line of attack. Secondly consistancy plays a huge part and I'm not stating anything any of you don't already know. I can drive the same lines as the Div I and Div II drivers........once in awhile. I might hit the first three corners spot on then lookout. Therein lay the difference. IMHO
2nd: I feel the three Div system is very important. The incentive to get better and move up is what makes this fun and interesting. (at least to me) There are plenty of opportunities for me to jump in and take on Mr.P and the boys in DivI else where on this site. In fact they have all been very helpful to this driver to which I am grateful. Having said that, every once in awhile a GOOD handicap race would be nice just to pump up the ego.
3rd: Maybe the handicap should be an actual time alotment. Everyone driving the same equipment on the same track. Not sure what it would be but that's for the Stewards to determine. Maybe something based on the time difference over the last 5 races?? Soooooo there's my $.02 worth.
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Lost a tenth on the front....gained a tenth on the back
33.243
1:04.065
Looking to break this 1:03.xxx barrier....
Division 2....DF Wheel
33.270
1:03.988
Ok, so much for barriers....now if I can piece to good sectors together.
33.243
1:04.065
Looking to break this 1:03.xxx barrier....
Division 2....DF Wheel
33.270
1:03.988
Ok, so much for barriers....now if I can piece to good sectors together.
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- GTP_Sjaak
Nice discussion about the handicap this week.
I think it is perfect in balance.
The +4 bhp for div.2 is enough to give Div.1 a hard time.
+6 bhp for div.3 must be enough to battle with div.2
And when it is not happen then I'm sorry to say i must "blame" the div.3 driver.
Most of Div.2 and div.1 had a lot of time invested in getting faster.
Not alone in racing alot of hours but also making advantage of shifting on the right time,getting the right topspeed and so on.
I'm not talking about months but years.
In the end when a div.3 stays around long enough they too will get there.
And in due time,race your butt off.
The goal for the handicap race is not the win,only one can win,but to mix in the div. above you.
And an update:
33.335
1'03.952
I think it is perfect in balance.
The +4 bhp for div.2 is enough to give Div.1 a hard time.
+6 bhp for div.3 must be enough to battle with div.2
And when it is not happen then I'm sorry to say i must "blame" the div.3 driver.
Most of Div.2 and div.1 had a lot of time invested in getting faster.
Not alone in racing alot of hours but also making advantage of shifting on the right time,getting the right topspeed and so on.
I'm not talking about months but years.
In the end when a div.3 stays around long enough they too will get there.
And in due time,race your butt off.
The goal for the handicap race is not the win,only one can win,but to mix in the div. above you.
And an update:
33.335
1'03.952
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- GTP_gtbadboy
And when it is not happen then I'm sorry to say i must "blame" the div.3 driver.
Most of Div.2 and div.1 had a lot of time invested in getting faster.
Not alone in racing alot of hours but also making advantage of shifting on the right time,getting the right topspeed and so on.
I'm not talking about months but years.
In the end when a div.3 stays around long enough they too will get there.
And in due time,race your butt off.
Well said and I couldn't agree with you more. In fact sjaak you and your suggestions have already made me a much better driver in a very short period of time.
Having said that, a good handicap might be fun once in awhile that's all I'm saying. In the end only time spent in the car and on the track will make the difference. 👍
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1'07.452
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Nice discussion about the handicap this week.
I think it is perfect in balance.
The +4 bhp for div.2 is enough to give Div.1 a hard time.
+6 bhp for div.3 must be enough to battle with div.2
And when it is not happen then I'm sorry to say i must "blame" the div.3 driver.
Most of Div.2 and div.1 had a lot of time invested in getting faster.
Not alone in racing alot of hours but also making advantage of shifting on the right time,getting the right topspeed and so on.
I'm not talking about months but years.
In the end when a div.3 stays around long enough they too will get there.
And in due time,race your butt off.
The goal for the handicap race is not the win,only one can win,but to mix in the div. above you.
And an update:
33.335
1'03.952
Its not often I put rep points on posts .. but that was a great post mate! and worth every one of those 5 points and some more I say
... great words from a great dedicated racer 👍
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