GT4 WRS Week 147 : Something Old, Something New, Borrowed & Blue

[Jump_Ace]

This week's leaderboard is a little strange in that it only seems to be reporting the correct differences when you click on 't1' at the top :/ When its on '2' it seems to be a little off o well. Hope to get to this one soon I have to get a wedding invite list together too and help Nick out 👍

Jerome

 

[georgetheracer]

If I could get the dogs out of the Mini I could probably go faster. Neat combo Sphinx. .!

ALFA
29.533
56.806

MINI
29.469
56.946

 

[01GTP]

If 4th gear is enough for you at the T1 straight, then you're having a bad exit at the S. I have to shift to 5th gear, otherwise I hit the limiter. You're going flat-out through the S, right? At first I lifted a bit, but then I realised it was not necessary. A good exit on this corner is very important 👍, though not much time is gained due to having to shift.
After T2, I agree, 4h gear is enough. I lift at the slight right, how about you guys? It gives a better line into the last corner, I think.

In the Mini I shift into 5th gear on the front stretch before the start/finish line to start my lap and if its a good lap I'll finish it in 4th gear. I think this helps as you shift 2 less times per lap. Its too bad the gearing won't let you shift into 4th gear at the top of the hill after those esses. A little later would be better. As for after t2 I will try that approach as I was shifting into 5th and braking hard for the left into the tunnel.

Todays progress

Alfa
28.348
54.473

Mini
No change
28.215
54.651

EDIT:Times edited in post #43 for luxy

 

[Mr P]

Some more laps in the mini ... 27.830 / 53.945

I prefer the mini of both cars as its not as loose as the alfa ... will get back in both cars again before the deadline




edit: some more in the mini ... 27.845 / 53.866 I'm losing about .1 from T2 to the line on this combo




edit again: final splits for me in the mini .. 27.824 / 53.892 and had a great last section that made .150 at the line I'm done with this one and will concentrate on the alfa from now on

 

[arora]

Yikes Ron , I cannot drive that mini wooper with a 🤬

I ran a few more in the sprint and decided to 'beat it like I stole it' and I'm getting a little quicker, ran twice as long in the mini with 1/2 the results

sprint: 28.225 / 54.170
cooper: 28.119 / 54.511

If I could figure out how to take the roundy in the mini I'd be ok...

 

[gtbadboy]

This is turning out to be a very interesting week. Some are faster in the Alpha, others like myself find the Mini a bit quicker. Jerry, You done good in picking this combo there Laddie!

Like Mr.P I may be done with the Mini for the week. Picked up a 10th at the line, ran 20 more laps all very consistent and can't better it. If time permits I may get back to it later in the week. If I can get the alpha to behave properly I may stand a chance this week but I suspect the top of Div III will pass me by weeks end.

 

[VEXD]

If I could figure out how to take the roundy in the mini I'd be ok...

You stay on the rumblies bud 👍

If 4th gear is enough for you at the T1 straight, then you're having a bad exit at the S. I have to shift to 5th gear, otherwise I hit the limiter. You're going flat-out through the S, right?

Right, i am flat out.

And yes, i do hit the limiter, but at just the right moment

I find that if left too long, i start driving the car to match the previous lap, move for move, and i make mistakes, or get into habits. (its a game, but you drive, not play, right?)

If i can manage to stay "dynamic" as it were, and drive according to the situation, then sometimes faster laps can be yielded.

Ergo, sometimes i manage to keep the car in 4th, and hit the limiter just as im slewing into the turn with understeer, and sometimes i change to 5th, and then have to go back through the gearbox a yoctosecond later.

I havent seen an advantage in shifting to 5th. But then, im at least .750 down on you guys now.

As for the last lift before the final tunnel.... the Mini understeers, so allow for it, and aim to put 4 wheels on the grass. What happens? you understeer, 2 wheels just catching the grass, the other 2 firmly on the tarmac, and you dont lose any speed.

In theory.......
👍

 

[CMir]

If I could figure out how to take the roundy in the mini I'd be ok...

If you mean the corner before T2, just stay on the inside and lift throttle (not totally), don't let it lose too much speed, just as much as needed to take the corner. Then, when you reach the end of the corner, just give it 100% throttle and enjoy looking at the split

I had a session with the Alfa today. My splits are:
27.892
53.685
This could be a 53.5, as I lost a bit of time

The first corner and the last one are terrible and very tricky with this car. For the first one, we must brake earlier than it seems so that we can carry more speed through it. For the last one, I think I'm still losing time by not figuring it out, but so far I'm going flat-out through the right-hander, on the rumbles, and as soon as this corner ends I brake. I end up carrying less speed than when I start a new session, that's why I'm losing time: I haven't found a way not to lose time before the corner nor after it

Mini splits are the same as yesterday:
27.914
53.975
I see I have to chase Ron again in this.
The Mini is 0.113 faster than the Alfa

VEXD, the limiter can be hit before the "right moment", maybe half a second before it, with a good first sector. If only we could change the gearing...

 

[Mr P]

I suppose it's simply down to what suits our own driving style .. I like the mini and find I can do lap after lap consistently within a 2 tenths barrier at the line over a good 5 -10 laps wheras with the alfa I hate the damn thing! it's like driving a bloomin small boat and it just doesn't look like I can make another .2 at T2 let alone the .4 that Jerry is ahead horses for courses I say

The mini gets the

and the alfa gets the

from me

 

[gtbadboy]

I'm almost afraid to post these new times knowing it will surely put a big target on my back in DivIII, but alas, I run 'em and post 'em! No Sandbagging here. Having said that, I'm not sure I can better it, soooooooo, Kevin, Kenny and esh just blink those lights and I'll gladly mover over Lads!

alpha: 28.221 - 54.483

Mini: 28.154 - 54.445

Seems the extra hp's pull the mini to the line by a nose, for me at least. Unlike Mr. P I enjoy the Alpha actually. Too bad it doesn't have a few more "ponies" under the bonnet!

 

[Mr P]

Ran some more laps in the boat ..

Alfa - 28.114 / 53.877 ( I hate this damn car every attempt at turn 1 👎 )

I wont be hitting no 27.xxx T1 that's for sure! seen a good few 28.0's but no faster I don't usually struggle this bad chasing other drivers splits at Midfield but this car hates me and I'm sure my GT4 has a different Alfa Sprint yep! .. it's that bad I need something to convince myself that my driving and lines are not the fault
Serious though .. it's not a nice drive for me so I will probably leave the alfa with the save I have and run a few more in the mini later in the week
Great splits being posted so far .. good luck to all

 

[mtbiker157]

Well my thumbs starting to hurt for the evening which signals a good Tuesday spent not at work. I did test runs for DTM season 3 this afternoon which took it's toll. I decided after dinner I better bust out some work for the WRS.

I ran the Alfa briefly on Sunday night to take a break from the Peugot and definitely liked it off the bat. I then tried to get in the Mini and immediately drove it right out of the first turn. I decided if I was going to work on this combo I was going to work with the Mini first off during that days runs.

I like both cars but man if you drive the Alfa first it really highlights the Minis bad points. And I have a blast when I drive the Mini on smaller tighter courses. On that note I have some serious work to do to catch up to basically everyone. I feel pretty consistent in the Mini and I've found that if I use the Alfa ghost runs I have that helps for some reason.

Well persistence pays off. I kept running them back and forth, ending on the Alfa. I just have to say, weird combo. It'll be interesting to see how long I can go switching between the two chasis' and chasing their ghosts. It was also tough to eek out the time where I knew I had too.

Alfa
t1-28.174
t2-54.146

Mini
t1-28.052
t2-54.599

 

[01GTP]

New splits for the Mini. Both for the luxy.

Alfa
28.348
54.473

Mini
27.995
54.581

Now if I can just catch and get by that gtbadboy. Nice splits Ron. 👍
I need to shed some time between T1 and T2 for sure. Its the left before T2 thats killing me. I can get a couple tenths there. Back to my original line tomorrow. I have shed some time getting into the last tunnel also. Thanks for the tip CMir, it works for the Mini and me.

 

[EDK]

New splits for me tonight, after about 5 more laps in the Alfa and 20 more in the Mini. Time is getting harder for me to find in the Mini, I might need to pick one or the other for the next couple nights. Too much difference in techique between FR and FF for me.

Alfa
28.116
54.459

Mini
28.373
54.765
I have seen better T2's in the Mini, but this was apparently one spectacular last sector, because my ghost keeps blasting by me after I beat this T2 by even as much as 0.3.

gtbadboy - How does it feel to have us all in your mirror? 👍



Kevin

EDIT:I could not leave well enough alone with the Mini, so I went back for more. Still had one lap with a 54.4XX that I mis-shifted into first in the last tunnel, but I am happier with this and improved at the line as well.

New for the Mini -
28.165
54.652

 

[steven]

leaderboard

 

[Mr P]

Thanks for updating my alfa time Bigracer but you missed my mini update in amongst all the posts

edit again: final splits for me in the mini .. 27.824 / 53.892 and had a great last section that made .150 at the line I'm done with this one and will concentrate on the alfa from now on

Cheers 👍

 

[esh]

I'm not sensing a gold for me this week. I must have done 20-25 laps last night in the mini and I could only achieve 28.5xx @ T1 and 54.7xx @ T2. It was funny though, chipping thousandths of a second off with each lap but not ever really coming close. I feel pretty comfortable with the car and am able to throw it into turns but don't know where I'm not gaining speed.

Is it dependent on the first couple corners? I'm full throttle through the S. Or is it the big sweeping left? I've been trying to stay as high as I can going into that and then turning into the rumble strip with it pegged to get as close to a straight line as possible but it doesn't seem to do anything. Most of my T2 times were low 55's.



EDIT: EDK, gtbadboy, and 01gtp...you guys are gonna make me drive in this Mini for hours more arent you??

 

[EDK]

Is it dependent on the first couple corners? I'm full throttle through the S. Or is it the big sweeping left? I've been trying to stay as high as I can going into that and then turning into the rumble strip with it pegged to get as close to a straight line as possible but it doesn't seem to do anything. Most of my T2 times were low 55's.



EDIT: EDK, gtbadboy, and 01gtp...you guys are gonna make me drive in this Mini for hours more arent you??

Lots of time left esh, better get at it

I am not the fastest T1 in the Mini, but I am not the slowest either, so I will try to give you some guidance.

T1 is all about your line and speed in the first corner. Once you come through that corner, you should be flat out all the way up the hill.

The line in the FF is a little different than the Alfa, you have to account for the understeer so you do not lose speed on exit. Aim for the inside rumbes and you might even hit them sometimes.

Not sure why I am giving you helpful hints, you are probably about to smoke my splits.

Kevin

 

[01GTP]

Is it dependent on the first couple corners? I'm full throttle through the S. Or is it the big sweeping left? I've been trying to stay as high as I can going into that and then turning into the rumble strip with it pegged to get as close to a straight line as possible but it doesn't seem to do anything. Most of my T2 times were low 55's.

I was trying to get a faster T1 last night in the Mini than the .215 that was posted, looked at the luxy, realized it was comparatively fast and said to myself, "I need to work on T2". Guess what..? I drove right by my ghost from the start up to T1 . I have been hitting 5th gear along the front stretch and braking some what hard near and using the left side rumble and using the right rumble, accelerating quickly for the right sweeper. I take the sweeper in one radius when driven correctly. If you can get through the esses before T1 without tire squeal that will give you the most speed. After that I need some coaching myself, but today I'm going to go through the left hander before T2 about one lane to the right. I can not run the rumble around that left, it throws me off line on the exit. I'm going to try a wider entrance to that corner. Hope this helps esh.

 

[CMir]

It's fantastic to have so many close times and all the divisions mixed up. Another great race Sphinx 👍

 

[2078TM]

I was going to protest the blue requirement since I always run a Dark Silver MINI to match my car But then I remembered that my first choice was Indy Blue but went with the Dark Grey since I would have had to wait an additional five months before that color became available. So, I'm now at peace with having to run the blue car

Ran last night for the first time

Alfa
28.237 / 54.346

MINI
28.147 / 54.470

Jerry, great combo, it's fascinating attacking essentially the same lines from an oversteer and an understeer perspective back-to-back.

 

[gtbadboy]

I knew when I posted those splits in DivIII it would "loose the hounds" on my backside. Great fun I must admit having such a close group. I doubt I can do better than posted but I'll keep at it.

I was to travel today but 6 inches of snow followed by a hard freezing rain has us isolated up here on the mountain, soooooooooo,💡 I may as well fire up the PS2 and run some laps eh?

Most of you have already touched on the driving lines I'm using but with very few exceptions (esse before t1) I leave the rumble strips alone especially with the alpha, it doesn't have the ponies IMHO, so the smoother you are the faster you go. That big left sweeper that esh speaks of and that last left before the 2nd tunnel are key for me. The sweeper: I enter about mid track hug the left side and try to keep my speed up above 70mph when I see that big orange sign in my windshield, if the throttle wasn't to the floor it is then! If I feel I'm losing it, I'll pump the throttle until I know I'll clear those right rumbles cleanly, I'll try anything to keep my speed above 70mph.

As for the last left before the second tunnel: I need to set it up properly and that depends what car I'm driving. In either event it usually means I'm across the rumbles in the tunnel with my foot through the floor boards upon exit. All this from a DivIII driver.........I wouldn't put a lot of stock in it but your welcome to try.

No further posts from here will mean no improvements.

 

[esh]

Ok, some progress in the Mini...

28.095
54.299

I had inched out my best clean time with a dirty run just before this and of course overwrote the replay so I had to come back and get a clean run. Ended up beating that best by almost 3 car lengths and much better at the splits.

Gonna run this car exclusively till I get under 28 and 54 respectively. I think my later sectors are pretty spot on. It's this first double apex that's killing me.

 

[Sphinx]

Just sneaked several laps in the BINI and improved slightly:

Cooper:

T1 27.963
T2 54.038

 

[arora]

My last set of splits missed the board so here are some new ones. I'll give it one more session before the deadline..

sprint: 28.046 / 54.009
mini: 28.056 / 54.369

I got tired of dumping the roundy before t2 so for this one I just slammed the mini into second 1/2 way through it and tried to blow the motor

 

[Andy2125]

My first splits ever :

Alfa:
T1: 28.692
T2: 55.315

Mini:
T1: 28.640
T2: 55:524

Not the best, but i still see some points where i could improve.

 

[gtbadboy]

gtbadboy - How does it feel to have us all in your mirror? 👍

The pressure is unbearable. but knowing the competition I suggest you all won't be there for long. Just blink those lights I'll move right over.

I need to go take a nap. Us retired seniors need our nap time you know!

Forgot to mention a t1 with the mini of 28.00x and a t2 I won't mention, unfortunately I drove the beast into the wall in the 2nd tunnel trying to push it!! daho!

 

[esh]

ALFA

28.160
54.278

MINI (same as last)

28.095
54.299

Don't know how much more I can squeeze out.

 

[georgetheracer]

alfa t times
t1 28.399
t2 55.142

mini t times
t1 28.358
55.183

got dogs out, still have gallon of driving fluid 👍p:

 

[OnlyMe]

Damn!! Some very close racing this week Seems Midfield is all about thousands of a second...

Last night I concentrated on the mini and got a good improvement (at least that 's what I thought till I saw my fellow Div3 updates ). Tonight I took out the Alfa again. Also an improvement albeit not as big...

At this moment I'm quicker in the Mini than in the Alfa. But I still like the little Italian the best

Updated splits:
Alfa: 28.121 / 54.487
Mini: 27.959 (YAY ) / 54.400

PS: Esh, please have a bit of mercy on your fellow div3-ers and slow down a bit will you