GT4 WRS Week 27: "Formula For Success"

[Jump_Ace]

None taken Great write up Scott! Hope the part about failing marriage is just a joke tho... . So....is it Tuesday yet?

jump_ace

 

[Drew22]

👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 Dont get me wrong here, I think true racers are the ones who can put many laps together consistently. Not my forte, but its great practice for hotlapping, imo. And I know many of u would think the opposite; hotlapping is great practice for races. But remember I AM lefthanded...lol.

Jerome

Also lefthanded, but I would love to have a 5 or 10 lap race every now and again,something where pitting is possibly thrown into the mix.In hotlapping ,looking for that clean lap a tenth of a second faster gets pretty frustrating at times. I spend way too many hours behind the wheel each week, only to end up in the middle of the middle division. Oh well, it's the cheapest and safest addiction I've had in my life, and I've had quite a few, so I'll keep on keepin.Good luck to all my fellow average (among the best) drivers.



Hey SHigSpeed, well said! I can certianly identify !!!

 

[SHigSpeed]

None taken Great write up Scott! Hope the part about failing marriage is just a joke tho... . So....is it Tuesday yet?

jump_ace

Yup, totally tongue-in-cheek. The kid most DEFINITELY are dysfunctional though! :^) <JK>

BTW, just bought my 5 year-old an Emmick 50 cc. 2 stroke kart. Can't wait to get him in it but it may have to wait until Christmas unless I can talk my wife into just letting him have it now.

Of course now I'll have to buy the KT125 shifter so I can "practice" with him! :^)

-SHig

 

[MisterWeary]

"Lots and lots of words were here and I won't quote it all cause that would take up lots of room..."

I'll leave you all with this bit of advice: Never go in with a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line!

-SHig

That was an excellent write up, I like the reference to "the mutant league" and "the time travelling cybernetic organisms" That's certainly how their times appear to me

I really like the idea of a time limited race too. The other night CFM organsied a live spot race and I had the most fun I'd had racing in ages (See more details here) In short we ran 4x20 minute races where you just posted your times in a chatroom as you got them and after 20 mins you told your best lap. I truly sucked at it but it was super-fun nonetheless.

I too am a million monkeys sort of driver, and these last few weeks where there is the extra variable of tuning your car have really not suited me so I've probably only had 500,000 of my monkeys working on these races (the others are working on my book, so far all they have is "It was the Beast of thyme..." stupid monkeys) I think we should try a time limited race one week or maybe post three separate races for the one week and say no more than 3 hours for each??? I know it's a bit of work but damn that would be fun.

Anyway just thought I'd chime in, nice write up Shig 👍

 

[TheWizard]

[lots of good stuff...]

Great write-up, SHigSpeed 👍

As for me, WRS and I aren't getting along too well, here lately. I won't even blame it on time, as I have had quite a good share of it. I just can't be bothered to run. Sometimes the car sucks (a.k.a. week 25), some other times I don't like the track (a.k.a. this week, I could never figure Tokyo Route 246 and I am not about to try to with one of the fastest cars around), some other times it's the combination of the two. This week would have been much more fun in Arcade Mode, hotlap, open course (a.k.a. no walls). I can't really blame anybody and I am not filing a complaint against Todd (CFM). He's been working hard and providing us all with races that most of us enjoy. It's hard to please everybody.

Here lately, though, it's been quite a few races back to back that I couldn't make myself enjoy. I know it's my fault and, again, I am not complaining - just hoping to make a return to the WRS soon enough.

As for an idea that maybe would make things better:

CFM opens up a thread with a 5 car and 5 track poll, people vote, car and track with the highest amount of votes get picked for next race, CFM chooses the race set-up.

What do you guys think? Opinions are welcome.

The Wizard.

 

[Iceman]

It might work for a few weeks but soon we might begin to see the same pattern of races chosen.

 

[TheWizard]

Well, I see what you are saying, icemanshooter23.

But that would depend on the 5 cars and 5 tracks we could choose from.
All that would be needed for this to be fixed is this: the 5 cars are all quite similar to each other and the 5 tracks to choose from are not always the same ones and the one(s) chosen the previous week(s) do not appear on the list. Until all tracks are spent, then the cycle restarts.

I mean, it's all still up to CFM, he is providing us with the choice. All he would have to do is guide our choice by limiting it to some group of vehicles and tracks.

The Wizard.

 

[CFM]

I was planing on doing a vote-a-race sometime in the future, but I always come up with something else. I'll try to get one going here in the next few weeks.👍

Glad you enjoyed the live spot race Mr.W. It's hard to get enough racers all online at the same time due to everyone's real-life obligations. I just happened to see a bunch of WRS people online and started sending PM's. Hopefully we can try again sometime. I might be free later tonight or tomorrow, so maybe another one will be in order.

 

[Iceman]

I'll be on tonight for one CFM 👍

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

updated

 

[CFM]

I'll be on tonight for one CFM 👍

How late do you stay up? I just woke up so I'll be around all night until the results go up tomorrow morning.

 

[Small_Fryz]

Only problem with live races is trust.

I dont like racing them with members i do not know very well, or dont trust. So easy to cheat.

As for WRS, i just simply cant drive this F1, and im not prepared to try to learn.

Maybe we can have a 5 lapper next? with AI choice and tires totally open. As much as multilappers are annoying, i think we truly see the good drivers come out, those who can lap consistently. Though as long as the track isnt a city course too many walls

 

[Small_Fryz]

How late do you stay up? I just woke up so I'll be around all night until the results go up tomorrow morning.

Sorry for double posting.


Once i get home (8ish hours) i will try to get on AIM/MSN, once I'm on, maybe we could run a few races 👍

 

[CFM]

Only problem with live races is trust.

I dont like racing them with members i do not know very well, or dont trust. So easy to cheat.

Yea I know what you mean. I always save my replays however and am willing to post them afterwards. If you're worried about that then we could always make that mandatory after we are done racing, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Either way, we should continue this discussion in the WRS chat thread so everyone doesn't have to read all this when checking out splits and such.👍

 

[Iceman]

How late do you stay up? I just woke up so I'll be around all night until the results go up tomorrow morning.

Usually about 11:30 pm Central Time

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

0'16.200
0'43.523

couldnt finish the lap

 

[fasj6418]

But do you have six fingers on your right hand?

As for this weeks format, I like it. Nyah nyah! Sure, it's taken more time to get the laps that I did, but oh well. At least is wasn't another trip around the 'Ring or la Sarthe with tire wear where it'd be that much harder to keep it together for a clean submission. The problem I see with Curtis' idea of consecutive hotlaps is that you're going to be doing a lot of math in your head while driving or watching replays to determine if you've just bested your current two lap record or not. I can just see the submitted replays: It's lap 34 and 35 out of 70. Do the math, the laps are there, I swear! :^) I think that multiple hotlaps do nothing but make the fastest even faster. Even the not so fast sometimes have a fast fluke lap, but it's very rare that you have two consecutive fluke laps. OTOH, the robots/aliens/gods are more likely to string 5 laps within 0.02" of each other that are 1.5" faster than my BEST!

These two lapper races test your skills with varying levels of grip, AI, launching, all out speed, AND consistency.

Unfortunately while the mutant league gets their time on 1-3 hours of driving, mere mortals like myself have lost sleep, failing marriages, and dysfunctional kids due to the 10+ hours they've spent on the challenge... ;^)

Also, great practice for hotlapping? What's that mean? No offense, but hotlapping IS practice!

Know what I'd LOVE to see? Max time limits. I know that it's impossible to police, but I can dream. Say 5 hours max. That way, the time travelling cybernetic organisms still stay on top of the charts, but the occasionally fast drivers that get hot laps on the "million monkeys driving a million cars for a million years" school of WRS are weeded out, and guys like me that have fair to middlin' skills but need someone to step in and say "enough!" aren't allowed to drag down the country's GDP by skipping work and not getting further into credit card debt because of their driving and competitive addiction.

Gotta admit though that to some extent I'm driving the million monkeys strategy this week. My saving grace is that I'm still lowering my time instead of doing my home gym exercises via Logitech and hoping for my consecutive fluke laps.

How's this for a supplemental WRS? Maybe call it SWRS, for Sprint Weekly Race Series. I may have pitched this before, but here goes: I know that there won't be as much helpful discussions of T times and setups, but it'd be fun anyway. Announce the car used at the beginning of the week so you have a chance to buy/win it as necessary. Then, have an automated email server bounce the track, limitations, etc. when a registered racer requests it. From that point, you have 24 hours to submit a time. I guess the real hardcore guys can still drive 23.5 hours to get a time, but more realistically most would only have at most 3-4 hours time. I'd probably even do this above and beyond normal WRS if anyone wanted to take this on as a challenge to set up! I know that it'd reduce the amount of time agonized over the race since you know that once your day is done, it's out of your hands. Sure, a dishonest driver could work the system with two accounts, but it's all for fun, right? As of now, I drive some laps, see T times come down, drive more, discuss setup and strategy, waste time at work thinking about WRS, drive some more, eat, drive some more, take a nap, drive some more, pick the kids up from school, nap, bank on Magic Monday, and run to the computer on Tuesday like it was Christmas morning only to find coal in my stocking when I see that I'm at the bottom of my class AGAIN! :^)

Whew!!

I'll leave you all with this bit of advice: Never go in with a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line!

-SHig

one of the best posts i´ve read in the last weeks... i can relate to that... i´m also guilty of spending too much time racing this... i have a masters degree to work on, but i keep postponing because of this, well, and since GT4 is a drug (i read that in someone´s avatar) i´ll be on my PS2 trying to get magic monday to work once again...

 

[Drew22]

Really enjoyed your thoughts SHig, I felt as though you were talking about me. Well done!!

Well no Magic Monday for me, I can't even get one clean lap, guess I peaked yesterday. This is one of those races where the leaderboard could be way off at the end. Sector three is soo long, what about 40 seconds, anything could happen.

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

600 km in total, i hope this is enough to hold off Sammuel, my 2nd lap was sO sO

0'16.390 / 0'43.693
0'10.552 / 0'37.713

2 very close calls... from what i watched on the replay they are clean
but with a single race, can the replay be run through the analyzer? or no?

 

[Small_Fryz]

No analyser no.

Only ghost saved replays.

Full replays cannot

 

[KLR142]

toe out on both ends... sounds like a recipe for massive understeer.

I'm still not sure if it's toe in or toe out, but it works well enough with what I've got. And if it is indeed a recipe for massive understeer, maybe that's why I can get around the track enough to complete a race.

Know what I'd LOVE to see? Max time limits. I know that it's impossible to police, but I can dream.

As other's have said, lovely post, and here's another variation of this idea. Max mileage travelled... That way it can be "proven" by the replay, but then again, it only can be "proven" rather than proven, because someone could always have more than one car, and practice on it first, or when a used car comes into play, or when you're in arcade mode, so my version doesn't work so well...

How late do you stay up? I just woke up so I'll be around all night until the results go up tomorrow morning.

I should be up until 12ish PST, so, I'd be up for some racing... What time are we thinking of? I'll check the chat thread, I haven't been in there yet. I still have to knock some time off of my current best race time though...

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

well ok, although they are close calls

im confident enough to submit it

good luck at the results... i lost .4 on the 2nd lap

and this is on Veilside's Settings~

 

[Drew22]

Times submitted, no change from yesterday. Good Luck everybody!

 

[Kolyana]

Boyfriend problems. 🤬

Never managed to run yesterday or today (boy, am I peed off ) so I've submitted my substandard time from last week. I hate doing that - I'd rather not submit anything than sell myself short, but what can ya do?

 

[KLR142]

I'm going to submit that time I ran in my quickie session on sat morning... For some reason I was just flying then and could even easily see myself getting at LEAST another half second if I had time to stay sitting there... Tonight though, I'm having trouble getting around the track with those settings, let alone fast. There's just too much understeer on the first lap, second lap works out pretty well. But, I'm not in the mood, tired and yeah. So, submitting!

 

[veilsidebr]

Finally broke the barrier i wanted so far, now im going to submit my time.

Lap1
T1 - 0'16.522
T2 - 0'43.764

Lap2
T1 - 0'10.553
T2 - 0'37.332

Good luck to all ya.

 

[SHigSpeed]

Well, I too broke my barrier, but it's 3 or 4 seconds off of veil's no doubt...

Veil, for the sake of hero-worship, how much time total between hotlap and racing did you run this week? Me? Probably 13-14 hours... Sheesh... What is it that kart is so fond of saying of the divinely gifted? Oh yeah, I remember... :^)

Gotta say that after 3+ hours on a "school night", the manic magic Monday monkeys came through. Took nearly a second off, but I don't think that it's going to gain me any spots in the standings...

Been a fun and challenging week. You know it's fun when you are willing to spend completely too much time on a race but you're still grinning at the end. Sad to say that my best L1 and best L2 of the week combined would've gained me nearly 1.4 seconds (still a lonely straight's distance behind the leader...)

T1 16.533
T2 44.426
T1' 10.792
T2 38.483

CFM, don't listen to what some are saying. This was GREAT fun. Brilliant! Took everything I had within the time I had to get where I am. Keep it up! 👍

Submitted. Time for bed...

-SHig

 

[Dr_Watson]

How's this for a supplemental WRS? Maybe call it SWRS, for Sprint Weekly Race Series. I may have pitched this before, but here goes: I know that there won't be as much helpful discussions of T times and setups, but it'd be fun anyway. Announce the car used at the beginning of the week so you have a chance to buy/win it as necessary. Then, have an automated email server bounce the track, limitations, etc. when a registered racer requests it. From that point, you have 24 hours to submit a time. I guess the real hardcore guys can still drive 23.5 hours to get a time, but more realistically most would only have at most 3-4 hours time. I'd probably even do this above and beyond normal WRS if anyone wanted to take this on as a challenge to set up! I know that it'd reduce the amount of time agonized over the race since you know that once your day is done, it's out of your hands. Sure, a dishonest driver could work the system with two accounts, but it's all for fun, right? As of now, I drive some laps, see T times come down, drive more, discuss setup and strategy, waste time at work thinking about WRS, drive some more, eat, drive some more, take a nap, drive some more, pick the kids up from school, nap, bank on Magic Monday, and run to the computer on Tuesday like it was Christmas morning only to find coal in my stocking when I see that I'm at the bottom of my class AGAIN! :^)
-SHig

This is actually a similar idea to something I wanted to organize next time i'm on a break from school and can handle the organization of it.
I wanted to see if I could get a tournament together called "the hour of power"
would work like this:
1. make up a huge list of combos in preparation
2. run a qualifier to seed a double elimination bracket
3. once people are paired up they have 3 days to find a time that they both have a free hour to play
4. meet at the specified time on IRC
5. a random combo gets picked and assigned
6. the green flag drops and each person has 1 hour to return with a time.
7. winner advances.

closest thing to "real-time" racing I could think of for using GT's "off-line" online play.

 

[Dr_Watson]

one of the best posts i´ve read in the last weeks... i can relate to that... i´m also guilty of spending too much time racing this... i have a masters degree to work on, but i keep postponing because of this, well, and since GT4 is a drug (i read that in someone´s avatar) i´ll be on my PS2 trying to get magic monday to work once again...

just call it research for your doctoral thesis on the psychology of video game addiction.

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

1000 km in total

0'16.218 / 0'43.656
0'10.575 / 0'37.626

seen a 0'16.111 and 0'43.336 on first lap

my 2nd lap was terrible... i think im half a second off Sammuel probly...

left so much time on the track