GT4 WRS Week 37 : "Duel in the sun"

[MinorShunt]

Ahhhhh. Much better with S3 tires. 👍

In the Zonda

T1: 28.954
T2: 1'04.801 (lost about .2-.3 here. had a 29.2 and 1'04.880 )

Finished poorly, but will clean it up next session.
Tried the S7, but can't come close to the Zonda. It's about 2 seconds off the pace.
Fun race Cyril. 👍

 

[KLR142]

No offense to anyone of course, but I was sorely dissappointed the first time I strapped into the S7. Not because of the car, but because of the combo... I LOVE this track, but, with this car/tire combo in arcade mode, it just pissed me off hardcore. I was considering not even racing this week. Not even doing the stock hp and just lowering the weight even made it decent in my mind, which is how I'd normally want to run arcade mode races when using a street car...(why up the hp 20% if you aren't upping the suspension/tires/brakes 20%?!?! makes for unbalanced crap most of the time)

Anywho, after calming down and being at work for a few hours, came back to it. Didn't read the thread, so I continued in the S7, and thus far have managed 29.7xx T1 and 1'06'6xx T2 in it, with a minor f'n touch on a hillside that doesn't make sense considering I still have all my tires ON the damn track.

Now I need to go chop at least a second off of that I guess, 2 seconds if I'm going by Minorshunt's theory,(which would be good.. ) in the Zonda. After, I unlock it. If I have the money, if it takes money to unlock it that is. Argh.

Dissappointed in this type of use on El Cap, it just isn't fun for me going this fast, I prefer medium speed/slow speed cars here, even if they have low grip road tires... High speeds and low grip here though just piss me off. Don't know how much I'll run this week, definitely a good bit less than I was planning on racing I think though. We'll see how much the Zonda tickles my fancy though.

/rant :-\

 

[KLR142]

T1: 28.954
T2: 1'04.801 (lost about .2-.3 here. had a 29.2 and 1'04.880 )

Is there a typo in there? You say you lost .2-.3, but you were going faster than the other splits you posted...?

 

[Tedehur]

...in the Zonda. After, I unlock it. If I have the money, if it takes money to unlock it that is. Argh.

Bad news for you are that the Zonda has to be purchased from the Pagani dealer (Italy) and it costs 631,680 Cr.
You need to win DTM again and sell the CLK Touring Car another time to afford it.

As for the combo, you can run on -20% power +10% weight if it's too fast the other way around (j/k)

I'll try to use El Capitan quite often compared to other tracks, because it looks like it's many people's favorite track. Next time will be in a mid-powered race car.

 

[NielsG]

(why up the hp 20% if you aren't upping the suspension/tires/brakes 20%?!?! makes for unbalanced crap most of the time)

I'm sorry Cyril, but I agree 100% with KLR. I just don't see the purpose of adding the 20% power.

For I now it's pretty fun, but I'm still chasing full seconds. When the quest for half seconds or even tenth starts, I know frustration will start to kick in. And I'll probably stop racing shortly after that.

This is of course my most humble opinion, but I always "feedback" on the combos I like, so it'll only be fair to also do it with the ones I dislike.



First session in the Zonda (ASM and TCS):

30.050
1'07.538

 

[Casio]

Wouldn't it all almost balance out?

The brakes have 10% less weight to stop, the tyres have 10% less load to deal with, and the suspension has 10% less su to supend.

The idea behind the weight is that you can't see the weight on the replay screen. So while you could set a race as 0% weight, there is no way of finding out if someone is running under that. You might be able to tell the difference between +10% and -10%, but 0% and -1% would be pretty hard to accuse someone of.

 

[KLR142]

Wouldn't it all almost balance out?

Not really, a 10% jump in HP would make a bigger difference overall than a 10% decrease in weight as far as I'm concerned. I have no problems with running less weight though...

Bad news for you are that the Zonda has to be purchased from the Pagani dealer (Italy) and it costs 631,680 Cr.
[...]
I'll try to use El Capitan quite often compared to other tracks, because it looks like it's many people's favorite track. Next time will be in a mid-powered race car.

Lucky me, I had 1,200,000 hanging out in there.

So yeah, took the Zonda out for a bit... It's a HELL of a lot more tossable. Makes much better use of its Sports Soft tires than the S7 does. It has a very controllable(sp?) drift, and yeah.

FWIW, with the S7, second gear isn't short, on the contrary, it fits perfectly well with 3rd-5th(6th being an OD gear). First is just tall, I assume so because they wanted to be able to reach 60mph in first, for a quick 0-60mph time? I dunno, 2nd works fine though, you never dip into first... Also, I don't really notice the Zonda having worse brakes... It did take me a good few laps to catch up to my S7 time, it definitely wasn't an immediate thing. The Zonda I feel I can ALMOST control without TCS on(used on both cars, no ASM though), but the track is just a bit too much for sports tires, not enough downforce, and 660hp... So sadly, I'll be sticking with it. If I had a wheel and was good at it, I might be able to run without it, but, it's frustrating enough as it is using the DS2 with the TCS on. Meh.

Down to somewhere around 1'05.9(or .7) clean in the Zonda. Done for tonight though. Night!

 

[fasj6418]

well, the solution for that is...

run in gtmode 💡

i still don´t know what´s the catch on arcade mode, i never thought hardcore players would like that.

in previous GT´s we always had setups and stuff from our own garage even in arcade mode...

now this time, its a need for speed like arcade mode... i just don´t liked, Gran Turismo became famous for the reality, simulation and stuff, not a fancy arcade mode...

just my 2 cent rant

 

[Tedehur]

I fully agree with KLR on the fact that adding +20% power without modifying the other parts like brakes, suspension, etc doesn't sound much realistic.
But we would have known if the game had been realistic, wouldn't we ?

As for the +20% power in this specific race, yeah, I didn't even consider another power option. TCS and ASM can solve the major traction problems.
But purists who do want to use any driving aids might indeed find the final thousandths quite challenging.

 

[Casio]

Realistically, these cars probably would be running S3 tyres either. Maybe N3's or S1's.

But really who cares. Personally, I think arcade mode hot-laps are great. In GT Mode, Either two things happen A: You either spend days tweeking your set-up, or B: Everybody just waits until one of the big guns posts their set-up and 70% of the field uses that.

The problem is, what works for one person doesn't work for others, so everybody else is left trying to drive a car that isn't set-up for their driving style. Well, that's what I think anyway.

At least in Arcade Mode, everybody has the exact equal car, and it is up solely to the driver to get a good time out of it. Also, it's easier to just go have a few quick laps in I think, in GT Mode everytime I run a little bit wide or something I'm not happy with my car, I'll go change something, by the end I'm not even sure what I'm doing any more.

@flat-out: I feel really stupid saying this, but I just realised your Avatar is a compass...It's only taken me a few months but it's finally hit me! I like the way you've done it, it's very inventive!

 

[Tedehur]

@flat-out: I feel really stupid saying this, but I just realised your Avatar is a compass...It's only taken me a few months but it's finally hit me! I like the way you've done it, it's very inventive!

When I took over the series, in the end of October, I thought that this occasion deserved a new avatar. The idea to add an 'R' between the W and S of a compass popped up into my mind and I started to google around for a compass pic that would show a direction between west and south.
A way to say : "follow me towards a new WRS".

While we're talking about pictures, did you notice the car pic I used for this week, in post #1 ?

 

[Tyre King]

[RANT MODE]

In my opinion, and it is only my opinion,

arcade mode is for kids, it was only included so that grown-ups could buy the game and say 'but little Johny can play it too, darling!'

GT mode is where it's at, it's what the GT series has always been about, and it's what the games will always be about.

Buy the cheap car, race it, gain credits, buy the bits, win some more, buy the better car for the next race meeting......etc,etc! Just like it would be for a racer starting out in real-life.
No driver suddenly gets offered the good car to drive straight away, they have to work their way up through the ranks. Senna, Mansell, Schumacca(sp), Rossie, Doohan, et'al ALL were/are world champions, and all started on go-karts or 125's and worked their way up.

Otherwise, GT wouldn't be called GT or tagged as 'The real driving SIMULATOR'

The heart and soul of the game is GT-mode, it's approx 75% of the completion percentage, it's 75% of the game!

I find that in arcade mode i get very frustrated BECAUSE i know the car is handling badly, but i also know that there is virtually nothing i can do about it (apart from put different tyres front and back, and the bleeding driving aids)

In GT mode, if the car's crap, i can play with the setup to get the car to behave how i want it, i have almost limitless permutations to try, I stay interested.

Yes i will still get frustrated, not because i cannot do anything about it, but because i haven't found the right setup, AND I keep trying, and trying, and trying!

That is what i play the game for, that is why i race here, that is why i find it fun and frustrating and addictive.

If I wanted to have a quick speed fix, yes i might dip into arcade mode, but would very soon switch back to GT and get a better speed fix.

[/RANT MODE]

Anyway, gonna give the Zonda another bash, but hurt my back again last night and having to take the good painkillers again, so i'll be driving stoned.

Also, might explain the need for the rant, but don't count on it!

Later Dudes and Dudet's

Neil

EDIT
@ Cyril

I love the photos you and CFM (in the past, obviously) put in the 1st post's. You must spend almost as much time finding a great pic for the thread than testing the combo. I am impressed every week! Hat's off to you mate! 👍 👍

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

id quit this series if it were to be more gt mode races....

im more of a spec. racing type of guy

no advantages, no dis advantages

i have no time to waste on tinkering little things here and there

and especially buyin all those freakin parts.... and watching the loading bar install them for me

lame..........

 

[ROB 256R]

EDIT
@ Cyril

I love the photos you and CFM (in the past, obviously) put in the 1st post's. You must spend almost as much time finding a great pic for the thread than testing the combo. I am impressed every week! Hat's off to you mate! 👍 👍

You know i've only just realised that the car in the pic is 50% Zonda and 50% Saleen!

If Neils comment hadn't made me look at it more closely i don't think i would've noticed.

 

[Tyre King]

Curtis,

Don't get me wrong, I would never quit racing here, and I do respect the fact that some of us prefer arcade mode because there is no 'fiddling' or parts buying.

But I just prefer GT mode, especially for combo's like this week where the cars don't really lend themselves to being 'good' to drive round this track ( and I don't nesc mean easy to drive round this track)

I bought another Zonda and tricked it up to the same Hp and tyres, played with the settings, and shaved nearly 6 seconds off the lap time over my best arcade lap so far. It's still not easy to drive, but it's a lot more stable over the bumps, better on the brakes and doesn't understeer into the barriers whenever it feels like it.

I suppose it just means that I'm a little anal where stuff like this is concerned.

Neil

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

alright... i wouldnt quit

but id most likely try other combos out there

anyways dont need to make a big deal about this

 

[Jump_Ace]

I'm gonna have to side with Curtis on this one. I prefer arcade mode because of the level playing field and I spend less time tinkering with the setup and I can just race, the car is already set up 'perfect' in arcade mode IMO. But don't get me wrong, I TOTALLY agree with what others say about the realism of GT is what made it what it is today, I just prefer to race 'my best races' in arcade mode. That and the fact that I have little idea what goes on under the hood. LOL. I enjoyed week 36, it was in Sim Mode, just wish I had more time to tune it down.

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[fasj6418]

[RANT MODE]

In my opinion, and it is only my opinion,

arcade mode is for kids, it was only included so that grown-ups could buy the game and say 'but little Johny can play it too, darling!'

GT mode is where it's at, it's what the GT series has always been about, and it's what the games will always be about.

Buy the cheap car, race it, gain credits, buy the bits, win some more, buy the better car for the next race meeting......etc,etc! Just like it would be for a racer starting out in real-life.
No driver suddenly gets offered the good car to drive straight away, they have to work their way up through the ranks. Senna, Mansell, Schumacca(sp), Rossie, Doohan, et'al ALL were/are world champions, and all started on go-karts or 125's and worked their way up.

Otherwise, GT wouldn't be called GT or tagged as 'The real driving SIMULATOR'

The heart and soul of the game is GT-mode, it's approx 75% of the completion percentage, it's 75% of the game!

I find that in arcade mode i get very frustrated BECAUSE i know the car is handling badly, but i also know that there is virtually nothing i can do about it (apart from put different tyres front and back, and the bleeding driving aids)

In GT mode, if the car's crap, i can play with the setup to get the car to behave how i want it, i have almost limitless permutations to try, I stay interested.

Yes i will still get frustrated, not because i cannot do anything about it, but because i haven't found the right setup, AND I keep trying, and trying, and trying!

That is what i play the game for, that is why i race here, that is why i find it fun and frustrating and addictive.

If I wanted to have a quick speed fix, yes i might dip into arcade mode, but would very soon switch back to GT and get a better speed fix.

[/RANT MODE]

Anyway, gonna give the Zonda another bash, but hurt my back again last night and having to take the good painkillers again, so i'll be driving stoned.

Also, might explain the need for the rant, but don't count on it!

Later Dudes and Dudet's

Neil

EDIT
@ Cyril

I love the photos you and CFM (in the past, obviously) put in the 1st post's. You must spend almost as much time finding a great pic for the thread than testing the combo. I am impressed every week! Hat's off to you mate! 👍 👍

that´s everything i wanted to say 👍

maybe cyril can put a poll to see if we should do 50% gt mode and 50% arcade, or 60/40, 40/60 whatever... would be nice to see what the drivers would say...

as for me, i wouldn´t mind having 100% of the races in gt mode...

 

[Tannis]

Hi.
Gave this a go, for about 1h.
Here's what i got:

28.769
1'04.869
Zonda
DS2
MT
No TCS

 

[MinorShunt]

Is there a typo in there? You say you lost .2-.3, but you were going faster than the other splits you posted...?

hmmmm.......I don't think so, but it was late.

my posted split time is 35.847 sector 1 to 2 with a 28.954 and 1'04.801.
I had a 29.27 and 1'04.88 which would be 35.61 sector 1 to 2. I may have hit all the bumpies just perfect on this lap, and will never see a sector split that low again, but we'll see.

 

[sr21racing]

I don't know why you guys argue about GT mode or Arcade mode...?!? It's good to have a choice, if there was only GT mode, I am sure that you would argue about it too. I like both modes, yeah arcade is frustrating because of the lack of options, but on the other hand it feels good to jump in a car knowing there's nothing you can do about the way it drives, not wondering if you have a good setup or not compared to the other guys, and basically learning to drive that car the way it is. No thinking, just driving.

I also like the GT mode for all the tunning, parts and options, it's great to customize you car the way you want it to drive, it's a bigger challenge and it really feels like you're racing for real. But taking a break from all that thinking, tuning, worrying ect, ect is a good thing !

The bottom line is that we should be gratefull to have the option the race in another way then GT, and also that some people are willing to spend hours organizing those races and championships for us, and the best way to say thanks is to enjoy the racing without complaining too much ( I say too much 'cause we HAVE to complain about something, or it wouldn't be fun

Now, I got to go practice some more 'cause that damn zonda on s3 tires is like driving a F1 on dirt....

 

[Hugo Boss]

GT mode is definately the most entertaining part of the game. With some setup changes I can change the car to my driving style and I'm better able to drive the car on it's limit.
On the other hand, setting up a car takes time and with arcade mode it's just pick and go. That way you'll get more people to race.

Nice splits, Tannis 👍

 

[Drew22]

I don't know why you guys argue about GT mode or Arcade mode...?!? It's good to have a choice, if there was only GT mode, I am sure that you would argue about it too. I like both modes, yeah arcade is frustrating because of the lack of options, but on the other hand it feels good to jump in a car knowing there's nothing you can do about the way it drives, not wondering if you have a good setup or not compared to the other guys, and basically learning to drive that car the way it is. No thinking, just driving.

I also like the GT mode for all the tunning, parts and options, it's great to customize you car the way you want it to drive, it's a bigger challenge and it really feels like you're racing for real. But taking a break from all that thinking, tuning, worrying ect, ect is a good thing !

The bottom line is that we should be gratefull to have the option the race in another way then GT, and also that some people are willing to spend hours organizing those races and championships for us, and the best way to say thanks is to enjoy the racing without complaining too much ( I say too much 'cause we HAVE to complain about something, or it wouldn't be fun

Now, I got to go practice some more 'cause that damn zonda on s3 tires is like driving a F1 on dirt....

What more could I say! My feelins exactly.

 

[MisterWeary]

I just hit a 1'05.2xx at T2, I hadn't even seen a 1'05.7 before this lap but there's a chance it's dirty by the feintest of margins, in photo mode it looks awfully close to the wall just after T2 but in the analyser the speed curve has minimal interference, the biggest drop I could find around the area in question was 0.4 km/h in a single frame. Does that warrant a touch??? Either it's clean or I gave the wall the slightest of touches, whatever the case I don't think I'll be able to replicate that lap again.

 

[Tedehur]

I just hit a 1'05.2xx at T2, I hadn't even seen a 1'05.7 before this lap but there's a chance it's dirty by the feintest of margins, in photo mode it looks awfully close to the wall just after T2 but in the analyser the speed curve has minimal interference, the biggest drop I could find around the area in question was 0.4 km/h in a single frame. Does that warrant a touch??? Either it's clean or I gave the wall the slightest of touches, whatever the case I don't think I'll be able to replicate that lap again.

A 0.4 km/h speed drop could be due to gear shifting, or a slight drift.
You can also e-mail a replay to someone if you need a second advice. My e-mail is flatout (no hyphen) at free.fr

 

[Casio]

Grr...Had a few 28s at T1. But that hill is just so hard. I find it difficult to judge how fast I need to go through it. You can take it quite fast, but then, in my opinion, you end up to far to the left for good entry into the next corner.

I nailed it once and got a 1'05.2 from a 30.x T1. So maybe a high is 1'03 possible for T2?

I think the key this week will be how well people can drift the car around some of the tight stuff.

Also, what is the line to take in that like double left hander, after you go around the tight right hairpin. I've been trying everything but I still think there is lots of time there I'm missing.

 

[MisterWeary]

A 0.4 km/h speed drop could be due to gear shifting, or a slight drift.
You can also e-mail a replay to someone if you need a second advice. My e-mail is flatout (no hyphen) at free.fr

Awesome...thanks man, I'll send it to ya now.

 

[sar593]

I'm new over here, registered like 2 hours ago, but I now that this is gonna be nice

0'29.324
1'05.457

I'll try to get better times tomorrow.

 

[shockwaveracing]

id quit this series if it were to be more gt mode races....

im more of a spec. racing type of guy

no advantages, no dis advantages

i have no time to waste on tinkering little things here and there

and especially buyin all those freakin parts.... and watching the loading bar install them for me

lame..........

i have to agree with you on that point, i find it infinitely frustrating to have to tinker with settings, when i know i can go into arcade mode and be on a level playing field with everyone, where only driving skill matters...

 

[Jump_Ace]

29.500
1:05.895

This car is starting to drive me nuts! Its pretty much exactly like our earlier El Capitan race,
only on a car that handles worse IMO. I am finding it MUCH harder to get clean laps here, anyone else?

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