GT4 WRS Week 39 : "My first, my last, my everything"

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More GT races you want, more GT races you have. And since many of us already mentioned that we never had any race on N tyres, I'll satisfy them too this week.



Week 39 : any used Honda S2000 @ Deep Forest Raceway



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Game mode :
GT Mode / Original Courses / Deep Forest Raceway forward / Free Run



Car specifications :
Any used Honda S2000, which means 4 matching cars :
  • Honda S2000 '99
  • Honda S2000 '01
  • Honda S2000 Type-V '00
  • Honda S2000 Type-V '01
with the following parts restrictions :
  • no wing ;
  • no NOS ;
  • no NA or turbo parts (power should reach 285 hp) ;
  • any normal tyres


Race rules :
Standard clean OLR rules :
  • 2 wheels on track at all time ;
  • rumble strips are part of the track ;
  • no contact with walls or objects, visible or invisible ;
  • if you're not 100% sure that you lap is clean, then consider it dirty ;
  • no hybrids ;
  • no cheating of any kind ;
  • nothing that goes against the spirit of the rules ;
  • save your replay ('save ghost' icon).


Thread rules :
You can discuss anything (T times, sector times, speeds, settings, etc) except :
  • lap time ;
  • any information which can be used to infer lap time.


Submission :
All submissions must be sent to me by PM (flat-out).
  • you can submit only once per race ;
  • please include in your submission PM your division, name and time(s) ;
  • deadline is tuesday 10th january 9pm GMT (L.A. 1pm, New-York 4pm, London 9pm, Paris 10pm, Tokyo wed. 6am, Sydney wed. 8am).

Time verification :
Save your replay and keep it at least a full week after the time has been submitted.
  • fastest times each week will be required to submit with verification ;
  • any submitted time is subject to a time verification request ;
  • when a time verification has been required, the concerned racer must provide a replay before next race deadline ;
  • failure to do so will result in the submitted time to be removed for the WRS results and/or GTPlanet Times Database ;
  • video replays are not accepted, only .max, .xps or .sps files can be verified.


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I'm posting from work right now, so I can't check on the game : I'm not 100% certain that the cars reach exactly 295 hp, so if you have a different figure and you're sure that both NA tune and turbo are on 'none', then my figure must be wrong.

For those interested in some settings, here are some settings from Duck for the S2000 (on Sport mediums though, not on Normal tyres).

Edit :
HTF does the title relate to the race ?
My first race in the WRS was week 65 (GT3 era), and we were using a Spoon S2000 at Deep Forest.
My last, well, I hope not. My lastest would be more appropriate.
My everything, because I like to use famous song titles as titles for my races. ;)
 
flat-out
I'm posting from work right now, so I can't check on the game : I'm not 100% certain that the cars reach exactly 295 hp, so if you have a different figure and you're sure that both NA tune and turbo are on 'none', then my figure must be wrong.
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I've just bought an '01 and a Type-V '01 and both only reach 285hp on the graph in the settings. That's with an oil change, racing exhaust, port polish, engine balancing and chip. Which is all that's allowed power wise, yes?

Looking forward to this one loads. Very nice choice Cyril. 👍
 
ROB 256R
I've just bought an '01 and a Type-V '01 and both only reach 285hp on the graph in the settings. That's with an oil change, racing exhaust, port polish, engine balancing and chip. Which is all that's allowed power wise, yes?

Looking forward to this one loads. Very nice choice Cyril. 👍
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That's indeed all the allowed parts power-wise. I updated the power in the first post : 285 hp is what we have this week (and on N tyres it's gonna be enough)
 
Nice race Cyril, nearly the combo I was thinking about last night! lol

Really spooky! :D

Neil
 
Great race choice by the way...just have one question. When I went to buy an S2000 I found two in my used lot:

Honda S2000 '01
Honda S2000 Type V '00

The second was not listed and I was just wondering if that was purposeful or an oversight?

Not that it matters much for me though I've decked out the first of those and here are my first splits from my first clean lap :)

Honda S2000 '01
T1: 0'30.281
T2: 1'05.601

No doubt there's like 3-5 seconds to knock off that but it gives me somewhere to start.

Laters 👍
 
True.
The S2000 are from '99 and '01, the Type-V from '00 and '01.
I updated post #1.
 
I've fallen in love with this combo. It's pretty much perfect. My only problem with it (and it's the games fault) is that when you start a session it doesn't give you enough of a run up to pass the start/finish line at the highest possible speed. So you either have to do a lap first or turn around and drive back up the hill (like i've been doing) to get a long enough run up.

Anyway i've made decent progress already and ran these clean splits:

'01 model - AUTO - TCS & ASM both off - no LSD - DS2
T1 - 0'29.119
T2 - 1'02.469

*Edit*

With LSD
T1 - 0'28.689
T2 - 1'01.658
 
Oh, what a tail of woe I have to tell! :(

I had 8 Honda S2000's in my garage, ALL either a lovely silver colour or black!

Beautifull to behold! :cool:

Then I went to the tuning car's Spoon section and fitted the original racing suspension and other bits.

And they come out at 300HP with an oil change, 286HP without. :grumpy:

So I PM'd Cyril and told him about it, plus the fact that there was not one used one in the '90's' lot.

I ran round the track for a few laps in the 286 one i had, then exited, 1 day had passed, but no update to the lot.
Raced the same one for another few laps, exited, and another day had passed!

Yippee! There is now an S2000 V '01 in the used car lot, so I check it out.

It's done 16,000 Km, so not too bad. 25,600 Cr - a little steep, but ok.

And it's Bleedin YELLOW!!!!!!

Not gold, not a nice colour, but, horribly, nausiatingly, painfully bright YELLOW

Not happy!

Bought it anyway, then spent the normal amount on mod's, plus I had to spend 50,000 cr to straighten the chassis, and then the 30,000 cr to add the stiffness!(It is a convertable bendy-toy after-all)

Bleeding expensive second-hand car if you ask me!

But it don't really matter, have 4.5 gazzillion credits anyway (Uber-save) so it's just the principle that smarts! :D

Now sat at 285HP on the nose, which is bloody and sore from meeting the Bank manager on the way out of the tuning shop! :lol:

Fun combo, though getting the hang of counter-steering onto the back straight is gonna take a while to nail-down!

Smokin! :cool:

Neil

Plus found this which might help people with LSD problems :cool:

This was on the GT4 tuning section of GTP, and is specifically for FR cars only!

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entering low-speed corners:
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Problem: Underseer
Solution:
Initial: low
Accel: --
Decel: low

Problem: Oversteer
Solution:
Initial: high
Accel: --
Decel: high

exiting low-speed corners:
---------------------------------------
Problem: Underseer
Solution:
Initial: low
Accel: low
Decel: --

Problem: Oversteer
Solution:
Initial: high
Accel: high
Decel: --

entering med/high-speed corners:
---------------------------------------
Problem: Underseer
Solution:
Initial: low
Accel: --
Decel: slightly low

Problem: Oversteer
Solution:
Initial: high
Accel: --
Decel: slightly high

exiting med/high speed corners:
---------------------------------------
Problem: Underseer
Solution:
Initial: low
Accel: slightly low
Decel: --

Problem: Oversteer
Solution:
Initial: high
Accel: slightly high
Decel: --


Neil
 
shockwaveracing
oh is the concrete on the corners just before T1 legal or not?

i think that needs to be clarified for the newcomers here...
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I'd say they're not legal areas to be driving on (but obviously Cyril has the final say), coz when we raced round here in Week 4 they weren't considered to be part of the track. See this post for pics of the area mentioned:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1617200&postcount=17
 
yeah i thought it wouldn't be illegal, i was just trying to get it out in the open for all the other racers who have just joined the WRS...

some splits for the board:

T1: 28.832 (seen 28.4)
T2:1'01.417 (hope to get in the 1'00 through here)

if i get this i will be at my target and will be happy...
 
AAHHH YES!!!! DEEP FOREST HERE I COME BABY! The Stars have aligned! And more practice at cars settings, something I need to practice on 👍 Looks good Cyril! AND N Tires to keep me on my toes...or rather keep the car on its toes eh?

jump_ace
 
My first (week 1 WRS GT3).

My last (time using N tires in the WRS was the Miata at Citti d' Aria).

My everything ( what I've never liked about N tires ;) ).

In actuality I've never had too much of a problem with N tires, it's just the people who push them on me (and not you flat-out).

Allow me to elaborate please...

Everyone spews off about how acccurate N tires are, this and that, blah blah blah...

Well I feel like there is no accurate tire in GT4 because you just can't replicate the feel of a car.

So, the only thing that can be accurate is the Lap Time on certain tracks (such as the Ring or Laguna or Tsukuba).

With that in mind, I still feel like there is no true accurate tire because based on a driver's skill, the most accurate tire will change.

One really bad driver may need R5 tires to achieve an accurate Tsukuba or Laguna time.

However, a really good driver can make N2 tires the most accurate.

Finally, a really good driver, or a really honest driver, can make N1 tires the most accurate by either driving an amazing lap, or admitting that their skills are not on par with a professional driver's and in-turn the lap they had on N1s was "slower" but more accurate.

Examples of this are all over the GTP if you are open minded enough to see it.

I've recently run the C5 Z06 around the Ring on both N1 and N2 tires....

N1 was the most accurate because I drove a 8'15 roughly.
N2 was the closest to "record" real world time at 7'53 (3 seconds faster than the fastest C5 Z06 lap time I've ever seen or heard of).

Sadly neither of them felt like they had even half as much grip as my old Toyota Camry does on turns similar speed and angle. :indiff:

Point is... I'm down with N tires as long as I don't get any B.S. about how "realistic" they are.
 
A few laps in...
T1 29.076
T2 1:02.566

@ Kent...
One reason you didn't mention that makes "realism" in GT4 impossible is that irl the driver has an inertial sense that can't be replicated by a game... a driver actually in the car can feel a spin starting long before he or she can see the car start to turn in. Driving without this sensory input is as good as driving blind (ok, maybe not quite that bad...) So if one were to replicate realistic grip levels, you still wouldn't have a realistic driving experience because you'd be at a huge disadvantage over an driver with his or her butt planted in a moving car. I tend to think the unrealisticly high levels of grip (even with the N tires) in GT4 are a kind of compensation for this.
 
Damn,

Gonna be handicaped this week,

just broke a toe tripping over a soap-box someone left lying around! :D

Neil
 
Oh cool! This'll be really good. 👍

When it means no NA parts, are you talking about the whole NA section ingeneral or just the engine upgrades? Meaning things like the racing chip are allowed?

And we can fully modify everything else, except for wing, turbo, nitrous and NA?
 
Du&#267
Oh cool! This'll be really good. 👍

When it means no NA parts, are you talking about the whole NA section ingeneral or just the engine upgrades? Meaning things like the racing chip are allowed?

And we can fully modify everything else, except for wing, turbo, nitrous and NA?
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Yes!

That's right!

Neil
 
Du&#267
Oh cool! This'll be really good. 👍

When it means no NA parts, are you talking about the whole NA section ingeneral or just the engine upgrades? Meaning things like the racing chip are allowed?

And we can fully modify everything else, except for wing, turbo, nitrous and NA?
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Only the 3 NA stages are forbidden : port polish, engine balancing and racing chip are allowed.
Wings and all 3 turbo stages are forbidden too, the rest is allowed.
 
flat-out
Only the 3 NA stages are forbidden : port polish, engine balancing and racing chip are allowed.
Wings and all 3 turbo stages are forbidden too, the rest is allowed.
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Edit :
Posted too late :D

BTW, some worry that the 10km (6.2mi) used cars might have a much better torque at a similar power (283hp). I'll check this tonight, and if this turns out to be true, the 10km cars will be forbidden too as they would give an unfair advantage to those who use them. If the torque turns out to be similar, they'll be allowed.
 
I am glad I decided to check the latest in this thread because both of my used S2000's are 10km cars. I am going to mod one, and buy another used one and mod it too just in case.
 
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