GT4 WRS Week 45 : "WRS 3rd Anniversary"
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BTW, the Minolta CAN be worn down to below 850, but like the others I've tried it's not faster than the "legal" cars that are at the top of the charts as of now.
I've driven worn out examples (at 850 or less) of GT-ONEs, Minolta, R89C, and others that I can't remember, and they're not competitive in my white knuckled fists.
-SHig
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TheWizard
wow, deja vu...
i felt like i read this before... that was the inicial question, because i once read (don´t recall which forum) that oil change should be discard of the changes... just like the weight in arcade mode, because it can´t be TRULLY verified...
there is also the problem of the start speed, so we do have to trust a lot in our friends...
but after reading all that stuff, i do want to try a used RCP or a minolta... might be good...
about the used car thing that scott said...
i had a lot of testing in the week of the BMW M3, and i can say that the refresh thing only works for 30 laps or so, but it does make your car brand new.
its amazing, the car starts to roll more on the turns after that. i say this because even with a used car, you still can wear it down, (the engine) and then use one of your 3 refreshes... (at least that´s what i remember, 3 refreshes per car, before you can´t do it again... but i don´t know if there´s such a thing as not being able to refresh a worn down car)
that´s my plan for this week, wear down a minolta, see if it gets bellow 850 and then do the refresh to hit the track...👍
and lets see what scott has to say after his tests with the R8
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Hmmm...after everything TheWizard said, I just had an evil idea......
If it's legal or not for this combo, well, we shall see in 8500 miles.....
Thanks TheWizard, for all the info!
If it's legal or not for this combo, well, we shall see in 8500 miles.....
Thanks TheWizard, for all the info!
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The problem is that the worn out cars might be legal in the sense that their power is below 850 HP, but we do not have any way to check this 
As for an example, taken from my guide:
MINOLTA Toyota 88C-V Race Car '89, stock:
1) 0 miles, with oil change
- Shown on Car screen: 952HP
- Shown on Replay Screen: 906HP
2) 8500 miles, with oil change
- Shown on Car screen: 906HP
- Shown on Replay screen: 906HP
You see, the power on the replay screen stays exactly the same, as I was stating earlier. Therefore, one might be running the 952 HP car and the other could be running the 906 HP car, and they would show up identical in the replay screen. Therefore, we would never know who took advantage of this and got the extra 50 or so horses worth of boost, and who played honest and stuck with the rules.
I know 900+ HP is out of range, anyway, but this was just an example to illustrate better what I was talking about.
Also, since the 88C-V comes at 952 HP stock, and is at 906 HP with 8500+ miles and good oil, it might be able to reach below 850 HP with dirty oil, and then be legal as far as the 850 HP rule is concerned. But the problem is that the power shown on the replay will always be 906 HP, regardless.
The only solution I can see to this is that, from now on, we base the power requirements on the replay screen itself, instead of using the one on the graph in the setting screen. This way, everybody will have the same playing conditions: everybody that is smart enough will put an oil change and drive it at (or close to) 0 miles. And the power shown on the replay will reflect this, regardless, since, as I said, it will be exactly constant, whether one changes the oil/wear the engine out or not.
Of course, the last word belongs to The Godfather...
The Wizard.
As for an example, taken from my guide:
MINOLTA Toyota 88C-V Race Car '89, stock:
1) 0 miles, with oil change
- Shown on Car screen: 952HP
- Shown on Replay Screen: 906HP
2) 8500 miles, with oil change
- Shown on Car screen: 906HP
- Shown on Replay screen: 906HP
You see, the power on the replay screen stays exactly the same, as I was stating earlier. Therefore, one might be running the 952 HP car and the other could be running the 906 HP car, and they would show up identical in the replay screen. Therefore, we would never know who took advantage of this and got the extra 50 or so horses worth of boost, and who played honest and stuck with the rules.
I know 900+ HP is out of range, anyway, but this was just an example to illustrate better what I was talking about.
Also, since the 88C-V comes at 952 HP stock, and is at 906 HP with 8500+ miles and good oil, it might be able to reach below 850 HP with dirty oil, and then be legal as far as the 850 HP rule is concerned. But the problem is that the power shown on the replay will always be 906 HP, regardless.
The only solution I can see to this is that, from now on, we base the power requirements on the replay screen itself, instead of using the one on the graph in the setting screen. This way, everybody will have the same playing conditions: everybody that is smart enough will put an oil change and drive it at (or close to) 0 miles. And the power shown on the replay will reflect this, regardless, since, as I said, it will be exactly constant, whether one changes the oil/wear the engine out or not.
Of course, the last word belongs to The Godfather...
The Wizard.
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SHigSpeed
Golden post SHig
GT-Mode vs Weary: Round 4
For this lap I put all mods on except exhaust, I think it'd be a shame to lose the sexy sweet exhaust note of the Cobra. I'm on RSS and I only changed minor things with the settings including no Aids and no LSD
Car: Shelby Cobra 427 '67
T1: 0'33.154
T2: 1'10.475
T3: 1'39.812
T4: 2'03.933
T5: 2'34.547
T6: 3'06.706
Finish: 3'xx.x39
GT Mode - 3
Weary - 1
I'm gonna chalk this one up as a victory, I'm no settings wiz but I managed to get this angry hyperactive bee-atch around the track so I'm pleased. I'm sure I still left like 2 seconds from T4 - Finish but I'll keep swinging at the combo.
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- SHigSpeed
TheWizardThe problem is that the worn out cars might be legal in the sense that their power is below 850 HP, but we do not have any way to check this
As for an example, taken from my guide:
MINOLTA Toyota 88C-V Race Car '89, stock:
1) 0 miles, with oil change
- Shown on Car screen: 952HP
- Shown on Replay Screen: 906HP
2) 8500 miles, with oil change
- Shown on Car screen: 906HP
- Shown on Replay screen: 906HP
You see, the power on the replay screen stays exactly the same, as I was stating earlier. Therefore, one might be running the 952 HP car and the other could be running the 906 HP car, and they would show up identical in the replay screen. Therefore, we would never know who took advantage of this and got the extra 50 or so horses worth of boost, and who played honest and stuck with the rules.
I know 900+ HP is out of range, anyway, but this was just an example to illustrate better what I was talking about.
Also, since the 88C-V comes at 952 HP stock, and is at 906 HP with 8500+ miles and good oil, it might be able to reach below 850 HP with dirty oil, and then be legal as far as the 850 HP rule is concerned. But the problem is that the power shown on the replay will always be 906 HP, regardless.
The only solution I can see to this is that, from now on, we base the power requirements on the replay screen itself, instead of using the one on the graph in the setting screen. This way, everybody will have the same playing conditions: everybody that is smart enough will put an oil change and drive it at (or close to) 0 miles. And the power shown on the replay will reflect this, regardless, since, as I said, it will be exactly constant, whether one changes the oil/wear the engine out or not.
Of course, the last word belongs to The Godfather...
The Wizard.
I went home at lunch and verified that the Minolta will go below 850 worn out on used oil. I'll see what I can do about testing the R8 tonight/tomorrow.
As far as advantage is concerned, I'll repeat that the legally worn cars that I've tested to date have sucked so my evil, super secret backdoor (though not "Brokeback") plan for WRS week 44 domination has fallen flat.
BTW, I also looked at the Escudo at lunch. Doubt that you could wear that to 850, but I was SHOCKED that with all those wings and ground effects, that it didn't have more than the 88 lbs of DF that the LMP type cars have. Oh well...
-SHig
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TheWizard
Great!
How do you come up with stuff like that?
You should be a comedian...
The Wizard.
"In my country, they speak of a man so virile, so potent, that to spend a night with such a man is to enter a world of such sensual delights most women dare not dream of. This man is known as the "Comedian". "
Thank you Wiz! You flatter...
-SHig
. Laters all!
Tedehur
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A quick reply from my hotel room (slow modem connection).
Concerning Matteo's explanation [red tick]great job btw[/red tick], I added a link to it into the FAQ thread.
As for running a car above 850 hp and still have a legal power (under 850hp) on the replay, it doesn't concern many cars, and I'd like to remind you that despite the fact that a few replays are requested each week, we still use a lot the honor system : most of the submitted times are not backed-up by a replay, there is no way to check (this week for instance) that someone cut through the final chicane to have a higher start speed, etc.
And we know what time every racer is expected to submit : for instance it would be highly suspicious if I submit a sub 3'00 time in an LMP.
And what's the point to drive a LMP C1 car for 8,500 miles to have in the end everybody thinking that you cheated while you did not !
Concerning Matteo's explanation [red tick]great job btw[/red tick], I added a link to it into the FAQ thread.
As for running a car above 850 hp and still have a legal power (under 850hp) on the replay, it doesn't concern many cars, and I'd like to remind you that despite the fact that a few replays are requested each week, we still use a lot the honor system : most of the submitted times are not backed-up by a replay, there is no way to check (this week for instance) that someone cut through the final chicane to have a higher start speed, etc.
And we know what time every racer is expected to submit : for instance it would be highly suspicious if I submit a sub 3'00 time in an LMP.
And what's the point to drive a LMP C1 car for 8,500 miles to have in the end everybody thinking that you cheated while you did not !
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Thank you, my friend 👍
And, yes, you are right. We just have to trust that everybody will be running as per the rules and respect one another.
It would be cool, though, if somebody came up with a program similar to the one that was around for GT3 replays - if there ever was one? - I can't remember its name.
As a matter of fact, I can't even remember if it was only for hybrids or if it allowed you to check information regarding the replay.
Oh, well. Maybe GT5 will have a built-in legality checker, like Live for Speed does
The Wizard.
And, yes, you are right. We just have to trust that everybody will be running as per the rules and respect one another.
It would be cool, though, if somebody came up with a program similar to the one that was around for GT3 replays - if there ever was one? - I can't remember its name.
As a matter of fact, I can't even remember if it was only for hybrids or if it allowed you to check information regarding the replay.
Oh, well. Maybe GT5 will have a built-in legality checker, like Live for Speed does
The Wizard.
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850 HP is HP, not PS, so I'll go back and detune my Skyline to make 845hp in the tuning menu, and even less in the enlarged menu. Makes sense that way, HP and HP ya know.
Anyway, just did a couple laps in the Nardo(stage 2 na, oil change, etc), and I LOVE IT!
T1: 31.008
T2: 1'05.084
T3: 1'32.122
T4: 1'54.542
T5: 2'22.920
T6: 2'52.944
Clean! w00t! I'll do a few more laps in this, then try getting a clean Skyline lap...
Anyway, just did a couple laps in the Nardo(stage 2 na, oil change, etc), and I LOVE IT!
T1: 31.008
T2: 1'05.084
T3: 1'32.122
T4: 1'54.542
T5: 2'22.920
T6: 2'52.944
Clean! w00t! I'll do a few more laps in this, then try getting a clean Skyline lap...
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Hmmm, about the checking for illegal horsepower: (and sorry if this was suggested, I couldn't find it)
To check, for example, if someone used the Minolta, could you just look at the replay and see if they have 8500 miles or more, and if the oil change light is on? If one does not fit the criteria, then the run is illegal.
Just my thoughts on it
To check, for example, if someone used the Minolta, could you just look at the replay and see if they have 8500 miles or more, and if the oil change light is on? If one does not fit the criteria, then the run is illegal.
Just my thoughts on it
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CoolGeekz
WOO-HOO!!!
right now bob is on his way for his 40th lap at the test track wearing down my minolta...
im just too curious too see if it works, so i'll have to try that:tup:
might be a lot of wasted time, but bob has nothing to do, so he won't mind...
as for the peugeut 905, yes it has a crappy gearbox, but i managed to get similar times with it... so i liked the thing... after all its kind of the father of those pescarolos, isn't?
back with more tomorrow, i just wish there was a x20 speed to wear the car faster!
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As awesome as the Spirit R RX-7 is, I decided it needed some extra downforce to be competitive. Knocked 9 seconds off my lap time compared to without the wing. New splits for the Spirit R:
T1 - 0'31.225
T2 - 1'06.492
T3 - 1'34.912
T4 - 1'58.496
T5 - 2'28.534
T6 - 2'59.355
Amazing what this car will do with nearly 200hp under the Supra. I will try for 1.4 seconds off my final time and then I'll be happy.
As to whoever is updating the leaderboard, would you mind putting these splits down for me instead of the 787B? Thanks.
T1 - 0'31.225
T2 - 1'06.492
T3 - 1'34.912
T4 - 1'58.496
T5 - 2'28.534
T6 - 2'59.355
Amazing what this car will do with nearly 200hp under the Supra.
I will try for 1.4 seconds off my final time and then I'll be happy.As to whoever is updating the leaderboard, would you mind putting these splits down for me instead of the 787B? Thanks.
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So did we decide if this race was going to be 2 weeks long or not? Just curious because I dont exactly remember my final time and my ps2 is at home...AAHH!!!! I would like to submit a time, but if I'm screwed I'm screwed
Jerome
Jerome
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Two weeks was the decision so you're good, Jerome.
As for worn out cars, I ran a fresh 835 hp R8 vs a Stage 3 and worn to 850 R8 at the test track to 400M and 1000M.
Interesting results:
To 400M the "weaker" car won at 9.224 vs 9.252
To 1000M, though, the power came through to win at 16.101 vs 16.256.
This was using default settings on RSS tires shifting at the top of redline.
SO, it seems as if there is some advantage power-wise to wearing to the power limit, but what's still unknown is whether chassis wear affects the handling characteristics.
Hmm...
-SHig
As for worn out cars, I ran a fresh 835 hp R8 vs a Stage 3 and worn to 850 R8 at the test track to 400M and 1000M.
Interesting results:
To 400M the "weaker" car won at 9.224 vs 9.252
To 1000M, though, the power came through to win at 16.101 vs 16.256.
This was using default settings on RSS tires shifting at the top of redline.
SO, it seems as if there is some advantage power-wise to wearing to the power limit, but what's still unknown is whether chassis wear affects the handling characteristics.
Hmm...
-SHig
holl01
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hmm, this talk of wearing out the cars is really pointless, as all it will save u is surely going to be no more than .5 on the track anyway, so why waste al that time for that small amount of time when u could be spending more time using a normal legal car to start with??
anyway, cya
anyway, cya
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holl01
Totally understand what you're saying here, especially with regards to the Audi, however if you wanted to run a different car that can't be normally configured within the rules (too powerful, or too weak but minimal mod puts it over), there is another option. That's all...
I just wanted to see if I could quantify the benefits/demerits of trying to do this.
I figure I can spend less time to gain 0.5" by wasting 10 hours B-speccing and tweaking than acutally driving too! :^)
-SHig
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i quit the idea of wearing a car, because i didn´t know it would take so much time to wear a car, so i´m stuck with the audi and the 787.
can´t get a good lap, no matter what, so now i´m thinking about setups. since setups that work for most people don´t work for me, i have to get something on my own... but, if anyone has a magic setup, i´m listening.
so far i have the awesome number of 2 clean laps, one with the bentley and one with the audi. and they are both 4 seconds slower than my best. T6 is something like 2´38, and 2´37´6 really disgusting considering that this would be a favorite combo for me...
its a fast car, GT mode, so what´s wrong?
don´t know, but i´m glad this is a 2 week event, so i can figure out what´s going on with all my dirty laps
can´t get a good lap, no matter what, so now i´m thinking about setups. since setups that work for most people don´t work for me, i have to get something on my own... but, if anyone has a magic setup, i´m listening.
so far i have the awesome number of 2 clean laps, one with the bentley and one with the audi. and they are both 4 seconds slower than my best. T6 is something like 2´38, and 2´37´6 really disgusting considering that this would be a favorite combo for me...
its a fast car, GT mode, so what´s wrong?
don´t know, but i´m glad this is a 2 week event, so i can figure out what´s going on with all my dirty laps
Smallhorses
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Well, I've always stayed away from the GT mode races since I refuse to download the ubersave (Don't ask!) and I don't want to ruin my own gamesave tinkering with modifications and settings, but I promised Cyril that because this week was so open-entry I'd at least try to run something.
I told him it'd be something classic and most likely completely stock though!
So now I have my lap. It's not going to win any prizes, and wouldn't surprise me at all if it finds itself slowest overall!
It's been a challenge to drive, a quirky 32-ish year old British beast, somewhat like myself, which is why I chose it!
Running with no modifications, no oil change and keeping it's stock Sports Medium tyres, this is the best I've come up with, and what I'll be submitting, since I've no more time to spare.
T1 43.005
T2 1'31.617
T3 2'10.615
T4 2'42.790
T5 3'23.451
T6 4'05.687
I told him it'd be something classic and most likely completely stock though!
So now I have my lap. It's not going to win any prizes, and wouldn't surprise me at all if it finds itself slowest overall!
It's been a challenge to drive, a quirky 32-ish year old British beast, somewhat like myself, which is why I chose it!
Running with no modifications, no oil change and keeping it's stock Sports Medium tyres, this is the best I've come up with, and what I'll be submitting, since I've no more time to spare.
T1 43.005
T2 1'31.617
T3 2'10.615
T4 2'42.790
T5 3'23.451
T6 4'05.687
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TheWizard
wow, nice work... you put that in the wiki right?
TheWizard
I still have no idea why we don't use the power in the replay screen??
its the only one that is quantifieable... and its the lowest one, so if the driver is too silly to use the "free hp" than its the driver's loss for choosing to race a 'below spec' car.
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use holl01's setup for the R8, it is a little tricky to catch, but it is super quick when you hook it up right, also make sure you get the 2 chicanes right, coz there is at least a second just in them, if you get them hooked up quickly...
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- SHigSpeed
Finally going to post a full set of splits since I'm able to see my goal now. Had a good couple hours behind the wheel last night though I still can't see where I'm losing a full second to T1! GRR!
Went to no TCS and though it's a challenge to accelerate out of some of the slower corners, it's definitely worth time. Also, having the attachments to fly through the back sweeper section while being ahead of your ghost can be challenging.
Funny thing, though, is I've had a few times where I've been behind at the super-fast right sweeper towards the end and threw caution to the wind and beaten my ghost on that spurt.
Now I've gotta link it all up...
T1 27.265
T2 58.381 (Have seen 57.8 like ONCE! But 56.6!? Sheesh...)
T3 1'23.128
T4 1'43.843
T5 2'09.672
T6 2'36.073 (Best so far is 2'35.7 or so)
T7 Getting there...
BTW, got a couple segments where I'm faster than Dan so there IS hope! :^) Too bad on the slower segs I'm WAY slower... :^(
-SHig
Went to no TCS and though it's a challenge to accelerate out of some of the slower corners, it's definitely worth time. Also, having the attachments to fly through the back sweeper section while being ahead of your ghost can be challenging.
Funny thing, though, is I've had a few times where I've been behind at the super-fast right sweeper towards the end and threw caution to the wind and beaten my ghost on that spurt.
Now I've gotta link it all up...
T1 27.265
T2 58.381 (Have seen 57.8 like ONCE! But 56.6!? Sheesh...)
T3 1'23.128
T4 1'43.843
T5 2'09.672
T6 2'36.073 (Best so far is 2'35.7 or so)
T7 Getting there...
BTW, got a couple segments where I'm faster than Dan so there IS hope! :^) Too bad on the slower segs I'm WAY slower... :^(
-SHig
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Thank you for the support 👍Dr_Watson
Unfortunately, I don't have a clue on how to do wiki related issues...
That's why I asked for Cyril if he could move the thread to the WRS Forum. He added a link to it in the FAQ, which works pretty good for me, also.
Yep. It makes perfectly sense to me, both in GT Mode and Arcade Mode. Expecially in Arcade Mode, this way we would not have to run +20% power all the time. A quick check of the power shown in the replay screen and you know for sure what initial power was used.Dr_Watson
Regarding the race, it seems like a 2'38 @ T6 just is not going to cut it, for me. I'll have a go at this with no TCS and see if I can improve and get into the 2'36's. Also, I do not see how times below 27 seconds are possible at T1
I'll put some more lap into this, as soon as I get a break from university work - most likely the weekend
The Wizard.
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Smallhorseswouldn't surprise me at all if it finds itself slowest overall!
T1 43.005
T2 1'31.617
T3 2'10.615
T4 2'42.790
T5 3'23.451
T6 4'05.687
Don't worry, you are not the slowest.....
Mercedes-Benz Benz Patent Motor-Wagen '86, under one hour.
T1 13'17.506
T2 22'47.735
T3 30'46.608
T4 36'43.575
T5 44'21.358
T6 51'29.055
Sad, yes....
by the way, what car were you using anyway? just curious
