GT4 WRS Week 45 : "WRS 3rd Anniversary"

[Smallhorses]

by the way, what car were you using anyway? just curious

I'm not revealing it's identity directly until the results come out, but there's enough clues in my post above that you should be able to work it out!

 

[steven]

• LMP 900
• Volvo 240 GLT
• J-GTC race cars
• super cars
• fully modded road cars > 600hp
• fully modded road cars < 600hp
• Classic road cars
• Classic race cars

this is my definite line-up (despite what i wrote earlier)
mb c9 (849hp) t6 at 2.51 and working on it
volvo
toyota supra ultraflo
audi le mans
dodge viper srt10
mazda rx7 ... (599 hp)
mb 300 sl
chapparal 2d

soooo glad cyril allows us a second week, now i can shave off seconds here and there 👍

cyril, how are you going to do the points on tuesday? only fastest times overall or based on these 8 classes?

 

[MisterWeary]

Actually I'm quite interested to know how the scoring will be done too? I for one don't really want to race the Audi/Pesc/787 they're not fun to drive in my opinion but if I have to to avoid a bronze then I suppose I can persevere. However I'd rather keep going with the cars I'm doing now, my list so far:

- Shelby Cobra 427 '67
- AC Cars 427
- Buick Special (Still no clean lap...she's a mother!)
- Aston Martin of some kind
- Buick GTX (Haven't tried yet)
- Chapparal (Not! )
- Others....

This is a fun combo and I for one would like there to be no points associated with the results for this race, maybe a poll for what people would prefer?

 

[r0gu3]

this is my definite line-up (despite what i wrote earlier)

mazda rx7 ... (599 hp)

What kind of T-times are you pulling?

 

[fasj6418]

third clean lap last night. so far i think 5 hours in the combo and only 3 laps really struggling with those red tarmac areas.

those with the 787b

T1 - 26´923
T2 - 58´198
T3 - 1´23´364
T4 - 1´44´452
T5 - 2´10´450
T6 - 2´36´944
T7 - still bad, lost a second in the chicane...

3´8 seconds from my goal, but at least now i have a submittable time... i was tired of dirty laps... i hope to find a way to get a decent T2 time by the end of the week, so i can improve the lap...

 

[SHigSpeed]

Who says the 787B is not fun to drive!? It's a blast! As is the Audi and Bentley. The bumpy track and DFP make it a bit more of a workout than usual but it's a great week and I'm slowly whittling down my time to an acceptable level...

New splits from last night:

T1 26.881 (my best T1 so far)
T2 57.801 (1.2 seconds back ALREADY!?)
T3 1'22.388
T4 1'43.090
T5 2'08.733
T6 2'35.083
T7 Decent but not flyin' finish...

Still want a couple more seconds at the finish...

-Scott

 

[Tyre King]

Tell ya what guys, I agree with Scott!

The 787 B is way more fun to drive than the Audi or the Peskies.

And by that I DO mean that it's easier to drive, hasn't got quite the grip of the Audi but is WAY more forgiving.

Beating my Audi times by nearly a second, and I am able to string more than three laps together (that is the max I can string together, average in the Audi is 1.5 )

Neil

Ps
Hey Oldphart!

How's the knee? Any better?

Neil

 

[oldphart]

Couldn't stand it anymore Just had to do a few laps
This bum knee thing bites

Anyway, Jumped in using Halo's set up, or tried to LOL
Dude, I'm not a good enough to feel comfy with your settings right off. I have to ease into them

I checked the leader board, amazing times you guys are putting up 👍

T 1 - 28.809
1:00.903
1:26.937
1:48.751
2:16.207
2:43.638

I know, slow ... LOL... but I had to get at least something in to post
oh, the hp thing, this lap was run at 783 hp, as shown by the replay.

Figured I'd learn to get smooth first, then get the oil changed and take a few runs.

Wish the knee wasn't jacked up as this would've been a great chance to play around with a few cars.

 

[Laurence5905]

I'm a newbie here -- submitted my WRS Qualification times a few days ago, but haven't heard back from flat_out yet... Where is he? I'd really like to run this race...

But I've got to know -- how the hell are y'all getting those numbers you're posting?! I really NEED to see some replays -- because apparently my driving technique SUCKS!

I have the DFP, and I'm racing the Audi R8, with Holl01's setup that he posted earlier... I'm lucky if I can break 30 seconds on T1 -- can't get anywhere NEAR the 26.393 that he's posting!!! And of course, after missing the first split, the rest of them all suck too -- each one getting farther and farther away from the posted times... (And yes, I know Holl01's times are the fastest posted up there right now, but I can't even get close to the AVERAGE time of 27.7xx...)

And Holl01 -- you've posted a very detailed "Drive Through". But the very first instruction in that drive-through says that you need to start at 230 kph. IT CAN'T BE DONE. (OK, obviously it CAN be done, but I sure as hell can't do it without cheating...) Best I can get at the start/finish line, without crossing the rumble strip on the last chicane there, is 200kph, maybe 205.

Can I PLEASE see a replay of this, to see how it's done?

Thanks.

 

[Thotozam AZ-1]

^^In a few more days the results thread will be posted, and most members attach their replays onto their posts.

My advice:
Do the B and A licenses again, but hit R3 (or is it L3) to bring up the line marker. The tests won't be on Lemans, but at least it will help you learn the lines.

Oh and if you are having trouble with wheelspin with holl01's setup, set TCS to 3-5. It will prevent you from making really fast laps, but at least you can get used to the line, then work on throttle technique.

 

[Tyre King]

Welcome to the WRS mate

Don't worry about getting a reply from Flat-out, as long as you have PM'd him your qualifier time you can race.

As for a replay, search the archives for the last Sarthe race, sorry can't remember which week it was but it was quite early on i think.
It was based around the Special licence test with the Bently, get GOLD in that, and you will be amazed at the difference it makes to your times this week
I very much doubt that you will get a replay off anyone until after the Tuesday 9pm (GMT) deadline, for a couple of reasons
1st It would give 'you' knowledge of that person's time for this week, and that is a no-no usually.
2nd For that person to post the replay would mean that EVERYONE (within the same format PAL/NTSC)would be able to download it and get that person's time too.

But you also will need a Maxdrive or similar to uncrush the replay to your memory card, and without that there is one way, and that's if someone has made a video of that week's race and points you to it.

Neil

 

[Laurence5905]

Oh and if you are having trouble with wheelspin with holl01's setup, set TCS to 3-5. It will prevent you from making really fast laps, but at least you can get used to the line, then work on throttle technique.

No, actually I have very little problem with wheelspin, surprisingly... That's one thing the DFP has a great advantage over the DS2 -- it's far easier to control the throttle...

 

[Laurence5905]

I very much doubt that you will get a replay off anyone until after the Tuesday 9pm (GMT) deadline, for a couple of reasons
1st It would give 'you' knowledge of that person's time for this week, and that is a no-no usually.
2nd For that person to post the replay would mean that EVERYONE (within the same format PAL/NTSC)would be able to download it and get that person's time too.

Yeah, that makes sense -- didn't think about that...

But you also will need a Maxdrive or similar to uncrush the replay to your memory card, and without that there is one way, and that's if someone has made a video of that week's race and points you to it.

First thing I did when I found this forum is go out and buy an AR Max... Already figured out how to transfer my WRS Qualifier replay to my PC... Haven't done any transfers in the other direction, but from PS2 to PC was easy enough -- just kinda hard to figure out WHICH files you want to transfer, because the names are not the same... (Got to use the PS2 Browser and look at the dates the files were created...) And if you transfer more than one at a time, it's impossible to know which files they are when you transfer them from the Max Card to the PC, because those file names REALLY don't make any sense... So only one at a time, but that's OK... At least I can do it...

 

[Tedehur]

16 times already submitted and still 5 days to go.

 

[Laurence5905]

As for a replay, search the archives for the last Sarthe race, sorry can't remember which week it was but it was quite early on i think.
It was based around the Special licence test with the Bently, get GOLD in that, and you will be amazed at the difference it makes to your times this week

That's a good idea -- I'll go practice that license test for a while... (As I remember, I just barely got Bronze in all the Special License tests anyway, so I could definitely use some improvement there...) Thanks for the suggestion!

 

[Thotozam AZ-1]

No, actually I have very little problem with wheelspin, surprisingly... That's one thing the DFP has a great advantage over the DS2 -- it's far easier to control the throttle...

If only I had one for 1886 mercedes lap....ugh! An hour of almost full throttle, but not quite (otherwise it will "top out" and fall back to 4 mph)....

I find the first section quite hard to get a good time...even though I got a 26.9 once, I still have problems on it. Never go below 4th gear until you get to the first chicane on the Mulsanne straight.

And like ballstothewall said, the S15 is excellent (if you get more than 2 wheels off it fails you, kinda like the WRS....). If only the Bently could pull faster laps...

 

[Smallhorses]

Laurence5905 Just so you know, and since the MAX drive manual doesn't actually mention it anywhere, I know several people that have had problems when trying to transfer data they've downloaded onto mem card for viewing in GT4. The critical step it fails to alert you to, is that instead of copying the file from the MAX drive to the mem card, you must use the "UNCRUSH" option. Otherwise it'll place a copy of the crushed data onto your mem card which means nothing to GT4 when it tries to read it.
Data that you copy from the mem card to the MAX drive is automatically crushed as it's copied, so even if you take one of your own files, and copy it to the MAX drive, and then back to the mem card without uncrushing it, it'll be unreadable! The manual totally fails to deal with this subject at all! Thanks Datel.
There should be no problem reading uncrushed data, but just make sure that you check the format of the replay first. Since you're in the USA, using NTSC you won't be able to view replays posted by PAL racers.

 

[Laurence5905]

Laurence5905 Just so you know, and since the MAX drive manual doesn't actually mention it anywhere, I know several people that have had problems when trying to transfer data they've downloaded onto mem card for viewing in GT4. The critical step it fails to alert you to, is that instead of copying the file from the MAX drive to the mem card, you must use the "UNCRUSH" option.

I did read about that on the Max Drive thread... But thanks for mentioning it... Seems obvious now, but probably wouldn't have been had someone not posted that info...

just make sure that you check the format of the replay first. Since you're in the USA, using NTSC you won't be able to view replays posted by PAL racers.

Yeah, I wish there was a way to convert from one format to the other, but apparently there's just no way to do that...

 

[Laurence5905]

And like ballstothewall said, the S15 is excellent (if you get more than 2 wheels off it fails you, kinda like the WRS....). If only the Bently could pull faster laps...

I've been practicing on S15... Still can't get Gold, but I'm SO close! I just need another 0.175 seconds to get Gold!

Here are the splits for my best time so far:
T1: 0'30.764
T2: 1'04.483
T3: 1'31.137
T4: 1'53.483
T5: 2'21.624
T6: 2'49.825

I'm still losing LOTS of time through those damned chicanes on the long straight... Just can't seem to get through them at anything higher than 65 MPH (104 kph) without losing it... The "Demo" manages to get through the first one at 74 MPH (118.4 kph) and the second one at above 80 MPH (128 kph) or so... I just can't make the Bentley stick at those speeds... Obviously my line into the chicanes is off, which screws up the line through the rest of it... Really hard to get that right, since you've got two curves right on top of one another, and the line just isn't obvious... (Well, not obvious to me, at least...)

 

[Tyre King]

The key to the two chicanes is getting the entry into the first half right.

For the first one for example,

drive to the extreme left of the two middle lanes down the straight(DON'T use the outside left lane as it's dusty and as soon as you brake it unbalances the car),
brake at the 100m marker and start to aim for the rumble strip on the right(with the rumble going between the wheels),
once you have gone over the rumble then you can start to aim for the apex of the left corner, hitting the last half/third of the rumble with the left wheels, and be on the power,
If you have hit the apex right, and are on the power, you should hit the exit apex perfectly!

Try to make the first right as straight as possible, and hit the power as soon as you can, as exit speed is the key to getting a good time overall

Once you have the lines right, you can then start braking later, getting on the gas sooner, and exiting faster too!

If I'm teaching Gramdma to suck eggs, sorry!
If i'm just rambling, sorry too!

Neil

 

[steven]

What kind of T-times are you pulling?

the car is the spirit type r. i don't have t-times handy but my lap times are around the third quarter above three minutes.
what gt cars are you driving?

 

[MADFORCE]

my first time with the R8

00:27,823
00:59,574
01:25,187
01:46,469
02:12,832
02:40,311

 

[holl01]

Well i used the extreme left of the track when i drive at le sarthe, it may be a bit rough, but it enables u to get a better line into the chickane:tup:

 

[Laurence5905]

The key to the two chicanes is getting the entry into the first half right.

For the first one for example,

drive to the extreme left of the two middle lanes down the straight(DON'T use the outside left lane as it's dusty and as soon as you brake it unbalances the car)

I definitely found the left-portion of the road, inside the "dirty" part to be better in the long run, at least for my driving style... I didn't so much have the "unbalancing" problems you're talking about, it was more like a "push" in the front end... You couldn't turn into the chicane as late as you needed to, at the highest possible speed, if the front wheels were in the "dirt" on that part of the road. But in the S15 test, you're driving the Bentley, which has fewer "snap-roll" problems than the Audi R8 does, in my opinion. Plus the test forces you to use traction control and ASM...

So back to the S15 license test -- I kept practising, and FINALLY got Gold! But I felt that I needed to beat the Demo in order to be truly successful. So I kept on trying, and finally beat the Demo. It's time is 3'17.775, and my best was 3'17.757 -- so I didn't beat it by much, but I beat it!

Here are the splits:
Split# Demo-Time My-Time Difference
T1: 0'30.665 0'30.520 0.145
T2: 1'04.424 1'04.283 0.141
T3: 1'31.166 1'30.745 0.421
T4: 1'53.276 1'52.679 0.597
T5: 2'20.699 2'20.601 0.098
T6: 2'49.012 2'48.743 0.269
END: 3'17.775 3'17.757 0.018


So, judging by my T3 and T4 splits, I think I've finally gotten those straight-section chicanes working much better... But I lost a bunch between T4 and T5 and between T6 and the end, so I've got something to work on there... (Those chicanes at the very end are really evil, if you're trying not to use the pavement behind the rumble strips...) But it's not too bad, really -- I was ahead of the Demo the whole time which is definitely something to brag about (in my opinion...) So, now that I've "mastered" this test, it's on to the real race, using my Audi R8 since that seems to be the car getting the fastest posted T-times...

I've attached a replay of my License Test, in case anyone wants to see it... View attachment S15_Lic.max (NTSC Format)

By the WRS rules, I would probably be disqualified, because they're a little more strict than the License Test rules. For example, you CAN use the pavement behind the rumble strips. But I did my best not to use those at all -- and in fact, the only times I did use them, I lost time! So the WRS rules are for our benefit, it would seem. (On this track, at least...)

(And by the way, how does one do TAB's in this editor? Hitting the TAB key doesn't produce a TAB in the text. Is there some sort of "code" for making a TAB? Would've made the above T-times table much neater...)

 

[SHigSpeed]

Congrats Laurence for beating your personal goal! That's always gratifying...

BUT, keep trying! :^) Check out the archives and look at Week 8 results to see how the WRS crew fared as that license test was a week's race. I was shocked at how far below gold I was able to get, as well as how far the really gifted drivers were going.

Granted, those times were gotten by using every bit of legal (according to the game) road available, but it's a clear indication of how much more you can get.

Practice, practice, practice...

-SHig

p.s. About that tab thing, I can't figure it out either!

 

[Dr_Watson]

I did read about that on the Max Drive thread... But thanks for mentioning it... Seems obvious now, but probably wouldn't have been had someone not posted that info...



Yeah, I wish there was a way to convert from one format to the other, but apparently there's just no way to do that...

some tips about the maxdrive:
for reading the .max files it spits out and decrypting what file is what, you can get "ps2 save builder" it will open the max files.
from there you can hit the little

button to see the icon that it has in the ps2 menu/gt replay theatre.

tip#2, NEVER USE THE MOVE FUNCTION! - many people have reported that the "move" function has a high probability of erasing everything on the memcard. Always use "Copy" to get things off the card... just remember, copy = good, move = bad. and your data should be safe.

 

[Empedocles99]

Anyone want to race honda s800s? I've got the s800 rsc race car souped up I'm gonna try that and post my splits this weekend.

 

[Tyre King]

Well i used the extreme left of the track when i drive at le sarthe, it may be a bit rough, but it enables u to get a better line into the chickane:tup:

Yeah, but Dan, you have to remember............

You have hard-wired relexes, better memory, and better hand/eye than most of your D1 bretheren!

So what I said counts for the rest of the 'completely' human race.



Neil

 

[shockwaveracing]

Well i used the extreme left of the track when i drive at le sarthe, it may be a bit rough, but it enables u to get a better line into the chickane:tup:

i found i lost a few kph if i went down the left or the right of main straights, so i hopped it down the middle for e bit of extra pace, and just before the braking markers pulled out wide for a better line, but each to their own, coz your way has made you quite a bit faster than me...

 

[MisterWeary]

GT-Mode vs Weary: Round 5

Well this new car is a very sweet ride and I just love all those revs:

Car: AMUSE S2000 GT1 '04
T1: 0'33.727
T2: 1'12.600
T3: 1'43.721
T4: 2'09.323
T5: 2'42.054
T6: 3'16.007
Finish: 3'xx.x66

GT Mode - 3
Weary - 2

I'm gonna have a crack with a few more cars, nothing Super-fast I might try that Honda Empedocles suggested...