GT4 WRS Weekly Leaderboard

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flat-out
In the end of day, it's true that division doesn't matter. I'm back because I now miss my on-line friends more than I dislike the stupid AI and absence of damage in GT4, not because I want my name on top of board.

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You summed it up better than I could have had, at this time of the night and with this high of a percentage of alcohol in my system :D

I was just sticking around to see if you would reply or not... I am going to bed for real, now. I will respond to your PM tomorrow, when I will be a little more lucid.

Thursday nights, 11 o'clock classes on Friday, and tons of beer are not a great combo, as far as lucidity goes :D

The Wizard.
 
The big advantage of the new leaderboard is that it takes 3 minutes to fill in the 50 names or so and then that's it. All the rest is automatically worked out.
You can click on the links and check how your ranking evolved.
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maybe i have to re-read this entire thread... i saw the link but still don´t know what my core means... i have 200 points from week 14 to 21, but 318 in total... just not sure if my scores from div 2 still count... well, i guess i have to search a lot for that...

i´m been :dunce: i know...
 
fasj6418
maybe i have to re-read this entire thread...
Post #1 will be enough.

fasj6418
i have 200 points from week 14 to 21, but 318 in total... just not sure if my scores from div 2 still count...
They do. 318 points is what you scored since your first submission.

fasj6418
well, i guess i have to search a lot for that...
Nope, reading post #1 is all you need.
 
TheWizard
I don't expect to know anything and everything, but from my personal experience, I can tell you that this works. Line, 99% of the cases, is better than speed.

I must concur for the most part.

It wasn't until I finally did the whole "stay outside, stay outside, stay outside - ok NOW head inside" and take a correct line that I really started to improve my lap times. (this was a couple of years ago for me) - and I'm *still* working on getting better lines.

All the braking/acceleration skill in the world won't do you much good if you don't carry a proper line.


UMP
 
Well, I looked and couldn't find the "points distribution board". I know it used to be there, but nowhere to be seen now.

Help?

-Scott
 
UrsaMajorPrime
I must concur for the most part.

It wasn't until I finally did the whole "stay outside, stay outside, stay outside - ok NOW head inside" and take a correct line that I really started to improve my lap times. (this was a couple of years ago for me) - and I'm *still* working on getting better lines.

All the braking/acceleration skill in the world won't do you much good if you don't carry a proper line.


UMP

I am glad somebody agrees with me 👍
You know, things like these almost seem like they should be common sense, now. But a while back, for me, it used to be: "Stay on the gas, stay on the gas, stay on the gas - ok NOW brake..." :D :lol:

Now is more like: "stay on the gas, tap the brakes - ok NOW give it full gas again". And then like: "d@mn, you moron. I told you to give it full gas again and only TAP the brakes..."

It's like, I am using way better lines now, but now I have got to get rid of the habit of braking too much and not carrying enough speed.

And it's kinda hard to do, with these super fast cars that we have been using here lately. The faster you go, the harder it is to judge where your braking points should be and how much you should brake.

Oh well, experience and practice will fix that too, eventually :D

The Wizard.
 
SHigSpeed
Well, I looked and couldn't find the "points distribution board". I know it used to be there, but nowhere to be seen now.

Help?

-Scott
I'm not sure what you mean by 'point distribution board'.
For the current leaderboard after week 21, check post #1 and click on the big 21, or click on the link in my sig.
For the table which shows how the points are granted depending on the position, er, I think it disappeared during the migration. I'll make a new one, or you can go to the leaderboard, click on the 'Home' button and then choose to see the 'results'. You'll see how many points are given to the first 20 drivers.

Hope it answers to your question.
 
My take on what Matteo has to say is:

Late braking is very effective, but only if you know the correct lines to start with. No use overshooting corners, that is too much, but also braking then pulling up too soon is also not ideal, however its normally better than overshooting.

My advice to Div2 and div3 drivers are get your lines right, then try to go fast. Once you know your lines you can push the limit of how fast can i go. No point going flat out when your not taking proper lines. Just like in cricket, If you stood out their and swung the bat as hard as you could, do you expect to stay in long? first you learn the techniques and how to swing, then after that, you add the power. Lines lines lines, very very important.

Some corners require trail braking, some corners like early braking then coast around then power out, some corners you brake before the corner then power through it to maximise exit speed etc. These are the things you experiment with after and only after you have the correct lines. Hitting apex's is very important to a fast lap. Also some combination of corners requires you to position your car differently so you have a better run at the next corner.


Bottom line, Lines are very important, then after you can hit apex's then you try to go faster, find out just how late you can break and still take the correct line. Also, slow cars are nearly always either full brake or full gas, no coasting, coasting is rarely a good thing to do, if your costing you can either go later on brakes or earlier on gas.
 
well since braking is on topic
i got some tips that might help some out~

first off, if your using auto your getting killed in braking zones~ because braking requires proper downshifting to obtain the best possible way to slow you down.
try to think that the RPM needle should bounce upto the rpm you would usually upshift at to make it the best downshift~ although some cars are different

then, if your braking points seem a little inconsistent...
when you pull off the perfect turn~ remember a landmark within the vicinity to help you remember that exact spot
~ whether it be the brake marker, a tree, the start of the rumble strip, a bump in the road...

and last note you all should know i hope, braking as straight a line~ and bump free line should usually be the best~

hope this helps guys :D

o and racing lines... well... not sure how to explain this one
except for picture the track in your head, or possibly on paper
~then draw the racing line mentally to the fullest, or pencil it in on paper
~doing the basics like turn in from outside, hit the apex, then exit to the fullest~

thats a pretty shotty job at tryin to explain racing lines =\ but i dunno how to
 
Well what I've been doing for the first run at each track is using the "solid then flashing" red gear indicator to get at least a basic idea for the turn and seeing what happens, how the car handles, etc. then tuning my approach and follow through from there.

That's been working pretty good for the most part and I figure after a bit more time in WRS I'll be able to adjust things much more quickly and to greater affect. (I had a *blast* with the RX7 at Trial Mountain, did things I never thought I would/could)

The one thing that still eludes me is tuning a fully pumped car. I went looking on GTVault for a setup for the Minolta hoping to find something that would help for WRS21 but the best I found was 6 different setups for 6 different tracks (that unfortunately didn't resemble the HSR all that much) and they were all radically different. The scrolling tuning guides help some but not enough.

Is there something someone knows of that says "In general, do this with and FR, do this with a 4WD, do this with and RR, etc.?" The one thing I found someone wanted to charge me an arm and a leg for...

UMP
 
Dion and Curtis, you guys are both right.
Too bad it took me so long to figure it out.

And Dion, that was exactly what I was trying to say.
Right now, I know that the correct line should come first. Even if you don't take it at the highest speed possible, you are still going to exit the turn faster than you would if you overshot it.

The only problem I have right now is that I am not consistant with my braking points. And the faster the car is, the harder it is, for a simple reason: since a faster car (race car) generally has better braking and better acceleration, if you brake a tad too soon and then start accelerating the same tad too soon, you are going to go out of track at the exit. If you brake a tad too late, you missed your apex. The faster the car goes, the smaller the braket for a good braking point is. Hitting the brakes in that braket is the hardest part. And that's where coasting comes into place. Coasting is really hard to master, because you are always tempted to think this: "if I am coasting it means one of these two things: I brake too soon, or I accelerated too late". It's hard to get that out of your head. Coasting helps a lot with fast cars. But you are always tempted to think that if you were either 100% throttle or 100% brake all the time, you would be going faster. Not true. Unless you hit those braking points on the dot. Which is even harder.

So basically it's a cat trying to chase its own tail. It's an endless loop. It's an equation without a solution. It's the obvious reason why slower cars are easier to run. If you are going slow, the braket for your braking point increases enough for you to actually see it and talk to your brain and tell it that it needs to tell the finger to press the brake button. :D

Anyway, I could go on talking about this for hours. But the only point I am REALLY trying to make is this: Experience will fix everything. Two months ago I didn't even know what hitting an apex or missing it could do to a lap time. Two months from now (hopefully) I will know how to find my braking points and hit them CONSISTANTLY lap after lap after lap.

Right now I can do a good lap, mainly out of luck, which I can never repeat, no matter how hard I try. Whenever I will be able to lap within 0.1 of my best lap time at EVERY lap, then I will start getting better than what I am right now.

Anyway, it's late, I drunk too much (like every other time when I go out shooting pool and drinking beer), and I need to go to bed.

Hopefully 1% of the stuff I just said makes sense to somebody...
...else, just skip this post and pretend nothing happened :D :lol:

Later.

The Wizard.
 
I kinda get the racing line stuff, optimal speed around corner entry and exits, and stuff i think.... :)

But the massive bothering thing is the manual! oh yes! that's correct I use an auto!!!!! :(
I just begun using manual this week, practising, probably not gonna submit me manual time, coz its around 2-4 seconds slower than my auto times plus it requires more concentrating and i usually run into walls with manual, shifting up doesnt seem to be a problem for me i just wait til the red light comes on or just before i hit the red line,
its the downshifting, around corners or on braking!! Whether to wait after u finish braking then downshift or to downshift while braking, this is complicating!
As well as what revs should i downshift at, or is it speeds!
Oh joy the wonders of using a sequential manual gearbox, is there a thread out there about using manual, or this is something u just gotta get use to!! :)



~~~~ Jase
 
you know you downshifted good when the car backfires, basically what Curt said, when youve downshifted you want the rpm to be around the top of the power curve.
 
jase86
I kinda get the racing line stuff, optimal speed around corner entry and exits, and stuff i think.... :)

But the massive bothering thing is the manual! oh yes! that's correct I use an auto!!!!! :(
I just begun using manual this week, practising, probably not gonna submit me manual time, coz its around 2-4 seconds slower than my auto times plus it requires more concentrating and i usually run into walls with manual, shifting up doesnt seem to be a problem for me i just wait til the red light comes on or just before i hit the red line,
its the downshifting, around corners or on braking!! Whether to wait after u finish braking then downshift or to downshift while braking, this is complicating!
As well as what revs should i downshift at, or is it speeds!
Oh joy the wonders of using a sequential manual gearbox, is there a thread out there about using manual, or this is something u just gotta get use to!!

I always had trouble getting used to it with a DS2. I learnt very quickly once I got my wheel due to having the options of using the paddle shifters and the stick shifter. Now when I use a DS2 I just drive manual anyway without even thinking about it. What oyu want is a wheel and pedals, :sly: it makes the game ten times better as well which is always good.
 
Week 22 is integrated in the results.
I know, I'm faster with a computer than with a car ;)
 
Kinda surprised me when VTRacing got promoted and not Lewie or Casio....hhmm.....

jump_ace
 
Think u may be right Kyle. Congrats VTRacing! Way to work up the corporate ladder!

jump_ace
 
wow i'm not last and i haven't competed forever, i had a good run i guess, I want to get back into the races but i have little time with college stuff. i'll try though, hey jumpputt and everybody!
 
circa86
wow i'm not last and i haven't competed forever, i had a good run i guess, I want to get back into the races but i have little time with college stuff. i'll try though, hey jumpputt and everybody!

Hi Welcome back circa! good to see you are thinking of a revival of your racing!Even if it means I will have a harder time to stay on top( more or less) at Div3! But your competition is always welcome mate! 👍
 
Board has been updated.
Quick, ain't I ?

Points scored by veilsidebr last week still depend on his submitting a replay. If he can't do so, that'll cost him his first place on the board :nervous:
 
vtec_guy
I always had trouble getting used to it with a DS2. I learnt very quickly once I got my wheel due to having the options of using the paddle shifters and the stick shifter. Now when I use a DS2 I just drive manual anyway without even thinking about it. What oyu want is a wheel and pedals, :sly: it makes the game ten times better as well which is always good.


I have recently purchased a DFP! using manual on it is a whole lot easier! but still trying to figure out shifting points is hard.. but easier and much more fun! :D
Times are still slower.. but are definately improving 👍



~~~~ jase
 
jase86
Dude that was quick 👍
good work! :)



~~~~ Jase

I'll screen capture this post, and when you'll be a div 1 racer I'll pretend it congratulates me for a hotlap :D
 
very nice leaderboard. :)

By the way, i can't seem to get into the new week. Whenever i click the thread it goes into it, but when it's loading up the connection fails with a warning. Only on that specific thread...... :grumpy: :indiff: wtf????
 

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