GT4 WRS Weekly Leaderboard
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Hey Flat?
flat-out that is...
Sorry, didn't mean any disrespect!
Any way...
I was wondering if you could take me off of the list all together?
I would appreciate it.
Thanks in advance,
Kent.
Edit:
Just wanted to clarify so I don't give the wrong impression.
I ask that I am taken off the list because of several reasons. However, not racing frequently and not wanting to take up a slot on the board are both reasons for my request.
Later.
flat-out that is...
Sorry, didn't mean any disrespect!
Any way...
I was wondering if you could take me off of the list all together?
I would appreciate it.
Thanks in advance,
Kent.
Edit:
Just wanted to clarify so I don't give the wrong impression.
I ask that I am taken off the list because of several reasons. However, not racing frequently and not wanting to take up a slot on the board are both reasons for my request.
Later.
Tedehur
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KentHey Flat?
flat-out that is...
Sorry, didn't mean any disrespect!
Any way...
I was wondering if you could take me off of the list all together?
I would appreciate it.
Thanks in advance,
Kent.
Edit:
Just wanted to clarify so I don't give the wrong impression.
I ask that I am taken off the list because of several reasons. However, not racing frequently and not wanting to take up a slot on the board are both reasons for my request.
Later.
That's a kind attention, but the field in div 1 is not overcrowded, so you don't take anybody else's spot ; and since you don't race frequently, you'll stay at the bottom of the board anyway.
Moreover, if I remove your name, I'll just **** up all automatic calculations on my spreadsheet.
If anybody thinks you've been taking his/her spot on the board, then he/she should drive faster next week.
BTW, I'm away for a few days. Far away from any internet connection.
So the board will be updated with week 13 results in the beginning of next week.
Sorry for that.
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Thanks heaps for doing this, I love stats and your spreadsheet has buckets of interesting info 👍
Tedehur
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Here it is.
The longly (2 days) expected board after week 15.
One thing puzzles me however : CFM mentioned last week that Casio would be div 2 from week 15, but it seems that Kent skipped this promotion in his posted results.
Thus, Casio is still div 3 on the board...
The longly (2 days) expected board after week 15.
One thing puzzles me however : CFM mentioned last week that Casio would be div 2 from week 15, but it seems that Kent skipped this promotion in his posted results.
Thus, Casio is still div 3 on the board...
Tedehur
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Casio's result in week 14 being unofficial (because replay couldn't be checked), I corrected boards 14 and 15.
And I added board 16, with the latest results.
bhawk takes the lead in div 2 and while holl01 still benefits from his better average ranking, his absence this week will probably cost him the top spot in the 2 weeks to come.
@fasj : with the times you're posting I think that your capability to provide replays for the past few weeks would be rewarded with a quick promotion to div 1. (Though I'm not the one who decides)
And I added board 16, with the latest results.
bhawk takes the lead in div 2 and while holl01 still benefits from his better average ranking, his absence this week will probably cost him the top spot in the 2 weeks to come.
@fasj : with the times you're posting I think that your capability to provide replays for the past few weeks would be rewarded with a quick promotion to div 1. (Though I'm not the one who decides)
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- GTP_KLR142
w00w00! I don't think I'll last up there in 6th for too long... But we shall see I guess? So anyway, Flat, how do you calculate the scoring when you go from one division to another? Is it just take off the oldest week (in this case, week 9), and use the D2 scoring for the newest week? Just curious, I'm a curious guy after all, just trying to figure it out. 👍 Thanks!
Tedehur
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KLR142
That's it.
You keep your D3 points, to which I add D2 points.
That's the reason why the winner gets 75 points in D1, 50 in D2 and only 25 in D3.
That makes promoted people drop in their new division between position 5 and 10, among people who run similar lap times.
Hey, the whole scoring thing has been thought at for a whole week-end
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Awesome, works excellent!flat-outThat's it.
You keep your D3 points, to which I add D2 points.
That's the reason why the winner gets 75 points in D1, 50 in D2 and only 25 in D3.
That makes promoted people drop in their new division between position 5 and 10, among people who run similar lap times.
Hey, the whole scoring thing has been thought at for a whole week-end
Tedehur
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As you probably noticed, I haven't updated the board for the past 3 weeks.
The reason for that is that I was waiting for fasj's week 18 replay to be checked since I didn't want to have to make the board again if he couldn't send a replay.
By the time the replay was checked, last week-end, I already had to make the board for weeks 18 and 19, plus I had to make the board for week 17 again since veilsidebr 's time had been unofficialized, plus week 20 deadline would only be 2 days later.
That would have been a huge amount of time required (about 4 hours), and then I decided to stop with the leaderboard... at least in it's half manually filled-in spreadsheet form.
Instead, I spent 2 days creating a MySQL database and some PHP functions to manage it and display the pages.
The result is far from perfect, and the display time would probably be much faster if I was using more SQL queries and less arrays, but that wasn't my plan to make something that would look good to programers.
The plan was to be able to update results quickly when required, have all calculations done automatically, and yet keep the board easy to read and browse.
I updated the first post with links to the board for each week from 1 to 20, but only for division 1. Other divisions can easily be accessed once you're on div 1 page.
Edit : Well, I hope so, because I can't access the site right now : everything was OK only 15 minutes ago ! I created an alternate site to mirror the data, and its database will be activated by my ISP overnight. Everything should be accessible by tomorrow.
Edit 2 : I can hear some of you thinking at Luxy's cry for help for his leaderboard maintenance, and before any of you asks the question, I already answer : "Sorry, but I too have no time for that."
The reason for that is that I was waiting for fasj's week 18 replay to be checked since I didn't want to have to make the board again if he couldn't send a replay.
By the time the replay was checked, last week-end, I already had to make the board for weeks 18 and 19, plus I had to make the board for week 17 again since veilsidebr 's time had been unofficialized, plus week 20 deadline would only be 2 days later.
That would have been a huge amount of time required (about 4 hours), and then I decided to stop with the leaderboard... at least in it's half manually filled-in spreadsheet form.
Instead, I spent 2 days creating a MySQL database and some PHP functions to manage it and display the pages.
The result is far from perfect, and the display time would probably be much faster if I was using more SQL queries and less arrays, but that wasn't my plan to make something that would look good to programers.
The plan was to be able to update results quickly when required, have all calculations done automatically, and yet keep the board easy to read and browse.
I updated the first post with links to the board for each week from 1 to 20, but only for division 1. Other divisions can easily be accessed once you're on div 1 page.
Edit : Well, I hope so, because I can't access the site right now : everything was OK only 15 minutes ago ! I created an alternate site to mirror the data, and its database will be activated by my ISP overnight. Everything should be accessible by tomorrow.
Edit 2 : I can hear some of you thinking at Luxy's cry for help for his leaderboard maintenance, and before any of you asks the question, I already answer : "Sorry, but I too have no time for that."
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Glad to see you are still taking care of the Leaderboard, Cyril 👍
By the way, I have been promoted to Division 1 at the end of Week 20 and I am officially racing my first week as a member of it (Week 21).
Just thought I would tell you, as you still have me in Division 2...
Don't know how it works with the promotions - as if I have to wait the week after, or if I get promoted the same week... but I thought I would tell you anyway.
And so has been SHigSpeed...
Later.
The Wizard.
By the way, I have been promoted to Division 1 at the end of Week 20 and I am officially racing my first week as a member of it (Week 21).
Just thought I would tell you, as you still have me in Division 2...
Don't know how it works with the promotions - as if I have to wait the week after, or if I get promoted the same week... but I thought I would tell you anyway.
And so has been SHigSpeed...
Later.
The Wizard.
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flat-outCongrats for your promotion Mateo. I know I'm not posting a lot ATM but I'm still browsing through the forum. I had seen the promotions, but you'll appear div 1 when you have scored your first points as div 1.
Next week perhaps.
Thanks Cyril 👍
I see how it works now.
I have been waiting for so long to be in Division 1, I think I can wait a week longer
My name is Matteo, by the way - not trying to be picky, or anything...
The Wizard.
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- Small_Fryz
So Matthew ( ) i see your Div1 now, congrats mate 👍 
I knew you would make it 👍.
I mean Matteo... just messing
) i see your Div1 now, congrats mate 👍 I knew you would make it 👍.I mean Matteo... just messing
Tedehur
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Thanks for the support.
Actually, I browsed through all 20 weeks results and spotted a few errors in weeks 11, 12, 13, 17 and 18 (mainly un-officialized drivers).
Everything should be corrected by now, and I expect the new leaderboard format to be much more accurate than the previous one.
I just need to get back to my DS2 after a 2 month retirement and try to eventually enter the board myself as a driver.
Minolta rocket, here I am.
Actually, I browsed through all 20 weeks results and spotted a few errors in weeks 11, 12, 13, 17 and 18 (mainly un-officialized drivers).
Everything should be corrected by now, and I expect the new leaderboard format to be much more accurate than the previous one.
I just need to get back to my DS2 after a 2 month retirement and try to eventually enter the board myself as a driver.
Minolta rocket, here I am.
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Small_FryzSo Matthew (
I mean Matteo... just messing
Thanks Dion 👍
You were right - you always told me that one day I would have been up there and even if I didn't believe it, experience was all I was lacking. I gotta say I had my good share of it, here lately
How come I never see you online in my Messenger? Did you add my new account?
Hope to see you around so we can chit-chat like we used to
The Wizard.
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flat-out
Yeah man, we have been missing you 👍
Hope you come back and race with us - you know, the owner of the Leaderboard needs to have a spot reserved for him on it
I like the new style, really professional looking and well organized. I also like how you can search by name and see everybody's points for each week they partecipated and scored some. Very nice additions.
I am all for trading some looks with more functionality and accuracy 👍
Great work, Cyril.
The Wizard.
Tedehur
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There is a spot reserved for my name on the board : immediately after the copyright signTheWizard...you know, the owner of the Leaderboard needs to have a spot reserved for him on it
As for the additions, the good thing is that once data is stored, everything is calculated automatically when you request it.
When I have some more time I'll deal with the few remaining points :
- display drivers who have the same score with the same rank (they are now ranked alphabetically ;
- sort drivers case insensitively in the scrolling list
- work out last week position to display the evolution (which existed in the Excel spreadsheet)
But it's not for now, I'm done with Colin McRae 4, Ico and San Andreas and I'll come back to GT4 for a while.
See you at the track Matteo. Well, when you overtake me now that you're racing among fast guys.
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flat-out
You know, I used to think I would have been in Division 2 forever. Not that Division 2 (or 3, for that matter) is bad - we are always amongst the fastest drivers available out there. But the saying "practice makes perfect" is not something that has just been made up to make people feel better - it's actually true. Do you remember when, up until a few weeks ago, I couldn't rank within the top 15 or 20 of my own division?
I started watching other people's replays, learning the correct lines, learning that breaking early actually puts you through a corner faster than braking late, hitting an apex or missing it can mean 0.1 of a second or more difference, etc.
Everybody has a chance of getting good - not that I consider myself good, yet - but if you keep practicing, you are just meant to get better, there's no other way about it. And also, having a DFP or not is not the key factor, either. Sure, probably the DFP would make you even faster, as you have more control on what you do to the car and what the car is doing around the track. But if you play enough, you will learn how to maximize your chances with what you have got.
I guess what I am trying to say is this: don't give up and don't think that you won't ever get better, because you will. Just put enough time and effort in each race, and if the results won't be immediate, they will show up, sooner or later.
I am actually amazed about the fact that a few weeks ago I couldn't do a whole lap without missing one or two apexes (therefore taking the incorrect lines). Now it just seems natural to hit each and every single one of them. In the future I will probably be amazed about the fact that now I am not carrying enough speed through each corner.
I guess the best advice I can give you is this: visualize the turn in your head, figure out the biggest radius that can take you through that corner, and try to make the car follow that curve. It's all physics: the bigger the radius, the bigger the acceleration your car can have. Not that I needed WRS to figure this out - but knowing it and putting it into practice are two different things. Don't give up until you can hit every apex of the track. Don't worry about carrying the most amount of speed, yet. That will come in the future. Just focus on the "perfect racing line". Expect from yourself to follow it every time you take the car for a lap. Brake more than necessary, if needed. Once you got your racing lines figured out, try maximizing the speed through each corner.
I started getting "good" when I realized that lines are more important than raw speed. Going faster, braking way later, and then taking the turn hoping not to go off track - while it may seem to be the faster way to get through a corner - it is not the way to do it. A wider radius grants you a higher acceleration, therefore a higher exit speed.
I don't expect to know anything and everything, but from my personal experience, I can tell you that this works. Line, 99% of the cases, is better than speed.
I don't know if this makes any sense to you, as I am quite drunk at the moment - had a few beers and drinks too many - but I think I am sober enough to realize that what I am saying makes - if not 100% - at least a little sense...
Anyway, I am just glad you came back to racing, because I haven't seen you around in a while, and I hope to see you on the leaderboard pretty soon, and then maybe in Division 1 too
Hell, I don't even care what division we are in, as long as we have fun racing 👍This week is pretty fun, so you chose a good one to make your come back.
I think I am going to bed now, because I can hardly type anymore...
Later.
The Wizard.
Tedehur
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All that makes sense.
It took me a while to realize that early braking is the best way to improve a lap time. It took me even longer to actually succeed in braking earlier.
But I also think that any driver has a natural skill limit beyond which he/she will never go. Practice and effort can make you reach your limit sooner, but I really believe that not everybody has the capability to run div 1 times.
Perhaps on some tracks or in certain cars, but not on a consistent basis.
Time and practice could indeed result in a promotion to div 1, but I'm don't put enough effort for that. Back in GT3 WRS, I used to run 20 to 50 laps only per week, while some of the top drivers could run 10 times more.
In the end of day, it's true that division doesn't matter. I'm back because I now miss my on-line friends more than I dislike the stupid AI and absence of damage in GT4, not because I want my name on top of board.
See you at the track, I have 2 seconds to shave off at High Speed Ring.
It took me a while to realize that early braking is the best way to improve a lap time. It took me even longer to actually succeed in braking earlier.
But I also think that any driver has a natural skill limit beyond which he/she will never go. Practice and effort can make you reach your limit sooner, but I really believe that not everybody has the capability to run div 1 times.
Perhaps on some tracks or in certain cars, but not on a consistent basis.
Time and practice could indeed result in a promotion to div 1, but I'm don't put enough effort for that. Back in GT3 WRS, I used to run 20 to 50 laps only per week, while some of the top drivers could run 10 times more.
In the end of day, it's true that division doesn't matter. I'm back because I now miss my on-line friends more than I dislike the stupid AI and absence of damage in GT4, not because I want my name on top of board.
See you at the track, I have 2 seconds to shave off at High Speed Ring.
