Gt5 comps are a joke.

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Just competed in a competition.

First run I went against a z34, the z34 on entry went reverse and slowed to a crawl. I put on my brakes and let him continue. Judges gave it to the Z34. (was follow car) Which I guess I agree with. I should have passed.

Second run I'm doing flawlessly. I was a solid 15 car lengths ahead of him when we finished. Judges gave it to the z34 because he got more angle.

Seriously I'm sorry, but angle means nothing if you're half a mile away from the lead car. We were following D1GP rules. In D1GP you would NEVER see a follow car win when lead car was that far away.

This happens in EVERY comp I go in. Do I have the wrong idea here or are these people just that ignorant?

Some people from the comp will probably come on here and go "lol umad" well yes, I am. Because of how inaccurate the judges are. It's laughable.

Does anybody else get this b/s handed to them when they compete?

Are there any REAL competitions with judges who actually know what they are doing?
 
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Just competed in a competition.

First run I went against a z34, the z34 on entry went reverse and slowed to a crawl. I put on my brakes and let him continue. Judges gave it to the Z34. (was follow car) Which I guess I agree with. I should have passed.

Second run I'm doing flawlessly. I was a solid 15 car lengths ahead of him when we finished. Judges gave it to the z34 because he got more angle.

Seriously I'm sorry, but angle means nothing if you're half a mile away from the lead car. We were following D1GP rules. In D1GP you would NEVER see a follow car win when lead car was that far away.

This happens in EVERY comp I go in. Do I have the wrong idea here or are these people just that ignorant?

Some people from the comp will probably come on here and go "lol umad" well yes, I am. Because of how inaccurate the judges are. It's laughable.

Does anybody else get this b/s handed to them when they compete?

Are there any REAL competitions with judges who actually know what they are doing?

I've never been in a comp myself but I've been a bystander for a couple and I've seen this happen quite a few times. If your very far ahead of an opponent then it could be 1 of 2 things either your not getting angle and your just rushing it or the other person is in a slower car or they're getting more angle. Now in some cases angle slows people down alot especially in certain low torque cars. Now in your situation you were probably just rushing it. I am by no means saying you weren't getting angle because obviously I wasn't there but. After the round you should have asked the judges how your line was and there could be your answer.
 
As far as I know, cars drift in comps in tandems. Meaning two cars are drifting very close to each other. Two cars aren't considered drifting in tandem if there is a 15-car length distance between them (common sense, anyone? 💡). That, and the fact that D1GP rules were used in said comp, should heavily imply enough that you should have won that second heat.

EDIT: Also, reverse entries aren't supposed to be allowed in competitions. During qualifying rounds, sure, go ahead, do reverse entries until your heart drops. But in actual competitions, that should be banned, because it's just too unpredictable. The two cars should do their best to keep their runs clean. Reverse entries are only used for style, that's why if you pull one off successfully, you're immediately in the top spot in the qualifying rounds.

If anyone can point me out a drift comp video IRL wherein the lead car did a reverse entry, then I will gladly shut my mouth about this particular matter.
 
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Gt5/GTP drift competitions are designed to self-serve the egos of teams formed by individuals who want the glory of victory over someone else, and will use any means necessary to get it. They are not always good at that, but that is why there are there.

Once you understand that, they make much more sense. Victory does not correlate to skill, nor does Victory correlate to style, nor does style correlate with skill. You must play politics and learn what your watchers will expect in order to win. It's much like acting, or (if you want to call it a joke) a stand-up comedy routine. The audience decides what victory means.

That isn't to say they are wrong or "a joke", but that you have to enter knowing that it is a gathering of high emotions, not an objective competition.
 
To the OP: Honestly don't worry about it, sometimes things don't swing your way and it sounds like as the other cars said above you possibly lacked angle or you rushed the course leaving the follower out somewhere in the fields :lol: Just next time ask what you lacked in regarding winning your runs, most guys should be happy to help :)

If anyone can point me out a drift comp video IRL wherein the lead car did a reverse entry, then I will gladly shut my mouth about this particular matter.

Not sure what level of competition this is, but this was in Japan and as shown below the lead car did a reverse entry:



Gt5/GTP drift competitions are designed to self-serve the egos of teams formed by individuals who want the glory of victory over someone else, and will use any means necessary to get it. They are not always good at that, but that is why there are there.

Well just a quick question, most decent organised competitions don't have the creator/organiser compete in competitions so how does it upsize someones ego?

Also, what do you mean by: 'but that is why there are there'

Once you understand that, they make much more sense. Victory does not correlate to skill, nor does Victory correlate to style, nor does style correlate with skill. You must play politics and learn what your watchers will expect in order to win. It's much like acting, or (if you want to call it a joke) a stand-up comedy routine. The audience decides what victory means.

So what about drifting 'competitions' where the room is only filled with say 3 people or 4 people with the two competitors and judge or judges? You can't exactly play politics unless you bribe the judges or something :lol:

That isn't to say they are wrong or "a joke", but that you have to enter knowing that it is a gathering of high emotions, not an objective competition.

To be honest as a judge which has been inactive for quite awhile, the last thing on my mind is my emotion :lol: I'm just more keen on focusing on the battle and figuring out which car is gaining the advantage :lol:
 
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Once you understand that, they make much more sense. Victory does not correlate to skill, nor does Victory correlate to style, nor does style correlate with skill. You must play politics and learn what your watchers will expect in order to win. It's much like acting, or (if you want to call it a joke) a stand-up comedy routine. The audience decides what victory means.

I understand where you come from, but by that logic, wouldn't Daigo Saito be the most egotistical drifter out? He is currently one of the best in the world which means he is highly skilled, rather than lesser skilled. On another note, Daigo is a very pleasant and seemingly soft spoken person from what I have seen, not like the image you portray of drifters who just want to hog the limelight. Competitions and tandem battles are extremely fun, tense and bring out the best ability of a drifter and shows wether they can handle the pressure.

My first tough battle was very close and very tense for me. I had to concentrate to the best of ability and succeeded. Was I big headed about it? No. We had done our best and we were happy with the performance of the other person. It's the same sort of experience you talked of when drifting with a random person in a lobby and having a great tandem run with them.

I don't know who you have had previous experience with, wether in competition or just drifting online but it's not the big ego fest that you seem to make of it. I earnt my reputation through being a good person and a good drifter, I have only battled 4 times before (3/1 win/loss) but I get my credit from open lobby tandeming with people. Now I'm trying to build back up the skill I lost with the switch to a wheel and getting better each day. Today I was between JZX90 and FD3S in a tandem. Under the pressure I managed to make my way through the section without stuffing up. Pressure brings out the best in me and I'm sure it brings out the best in a lot of other people. A competition brings that pressure.

We push the other car from behind but really, we are pushing ourselves the most. I don't think "I'm better than him, him and him therefore I rock" (even if I am), I think "I'm really doing well. I wist to be the best". I think With pressure and success comes greater skill. Pressure is like a weight, my skill is like my body. The more weight I can lift the stronger I can become. That is why we battle. This is why we push ourselves to perform for a judge. This is why we drift.
 
Ghost must hang with the wrong teams. You should see how VDC, GTDL or a motegi comp is ran. Nobody cares about winning and it is all about fun. Most random comps like you said judges on line/angle. The comps I mentioned above do not allow you to throw the car backwards while leading. They also judge on proximity which makes them a lot more interesting. Any comp not hosted by the right people can be biased or not ran right.
 
Gt5/GTP drift competitions are designed to self-serve the egos of teams formed by individuals who want the glory of victory over someone else, and will use any means necessary to get it. They are not always good at that, but that is why there are there.

Once you understand that, they make much more sense. Victory does not correlate to skill, nor does Victory correlate to style, nor does style correlate with skill. You must play politics and learn what your watchers will expect in order to win. It's much like acting, or (if you want to call it a joke) a stand-up comedy routine. The audience decides what victory means.

That isn't to say they are wrong or "a joke", but that you have to enter knowing that it is a gathering of high emotions, not an objective competition.

Partially agreed.
 
Eric1512
Ghost must hang with the wrong teams. You should see how VDC, GTDL or a motegi comp is ran. Nobody cares about winning and it is all about fun. Most random comps like you said judges on line/angle. The comps I mentioned above do not allow you to throw the car backwards while leading. They also judge on proximity which makes them a lot more interesting. Any comp not hosted by the right people can be biased or not ran right.

Thank you. And i compete in my own comp but i do not judge my series i run in. Therefore i can be biased. 👍
 
Wow I was expecting to get bashed out. I wasn't, thanks for that lol.

I admit on the second run I wasn't pulling *90, but I was getting a fair amount of angle. But the main thing I was going for was my line, which was as smooths as silk on velvet wrapped in golden fleece.

I'm just PO'd because I know on the second run I did better than him and it was my home track.
 
Gt5/GTP drift competitions are designed to self-serve the egos of teams formed by individuals who want the glory of victory over someone else, and will use any means necessary to get it. They are not always good at that, but that is why there are there.

Once you understand that, they make much more sense. Victory does not correlate to skill, nor does Victory correlate to style, nor does style correlate with skill. You must play politics and learn what your watchers will expect in order to win. It's much like acting, or (if you want to call it a joke) a stand-up comedy routine. The audience decides what victory means.

That isn't to say they are wrong or "a joke", but that you have to enter knowing that it is a gathering of high emotions, not an objective competition.

I'm convinced that this person has been wronged by some random team in the past and it was so traumatizing that this person has it out for all teams. I compare this to a woman who has been dumped and is forever scorned. I find it comical how you always find some way to include some rant about teams in most of your posts.

Oh, I got it! Ghostz is GTP's Taylor Swift!

Competitions will always be full of emotions. It is part of the thrill of competing. Some people are a bit more emotional about it than others but that's competition. It is part of the fun (for us it is)! I know my team has won some and lost some and it doesn't affect us either way. We're still having fun, being respectful, and always professional.

Wow I was expecting to get bashed out. I wasn't, thanks for that lol.

I admit on the second run I wasn't pulling *90, but I was getting a fair amount of angle. But the main thing I was going for was my line, which was as smooths as silk on velvet wrapped in golden fleece.

I'm just PO'd because I know on the second run I did better than him and it was my home track.

The trick with competitions Miko is to try and determine how it is being judged based on the runs before you. Then you have to try and take that into account during your runs. I know it's easier said than done but that is really all you can do.

I have been in a few competitions where there were "rules," but the judging was based on emotions more than rules. The fact is that we are drifting to impress someone, and while there are guidelines for this person to follow, emotions are still a large part of judging process.

Just try to have fun and use it as a learning experience!
 
Miko, I was there last night....

No offense, but your runs were not good. The round you lost, you lost because you straight lined between t1 and t2...that's why you had a 15 car length lead at the finish. To be fair though, the Z34 runs were not good either...us judges were forced to pick the best of two pretty awrful runs.

In fact, pretty much everyone in that comp last night was driving aweful, myself included. On top of that, the judging was completely random and amateur. I "won" my semi-final battle, even though the other guy clearly had more votes than me.

One more thing Miko. I'm not trying to pick on your car (M3 CSL), but everyone who drifts in GT5 knows that the CSL is redonculously fast. An M3 CSL opening up a gap on a Z34 is nothing special, it's almost expected. And when the Z34 is making smoother transitions, getting more angle, and hitting clipping points tighter, it's hard to not vote for the Z34.

But at the end othe day, I wouldn't take that comp as a prime example of a GT5 comp. No one in that room (again, myself included) was doing a good job. It was all just for fun, and way too many people took it too serious and raged when they lost.
 
miko1337
Just competed in a competition.

First run I went against a z34, the z34 on entry went reverse and slowed to a crawl. I put on my brakes and let him continue. Judges gave it to the Z34. (was follow car) Which I guess I agree with. I should have passed.

Second run I'm doing flawlessly. I was a solid 15 car lengths ahead of him when we finished. Judges gave it to the z34 because he got more angle.

Seriously I'm sorry, but angle means nothing if you're half a mile away from the lead car. We were following D1GP rules. In D1GP you would NEVER see a follow car win when lead car was that far away.

This happens in EVERY comp I go in. Do I have the wrong idea here or are these people just that ignorant?

Some people from the comp will probably come on here and go "lol umad" well yes, I am. Because of how inaccurate the judges are. It's laughable.

Does anybody else get this b/s handed to them when they compete?

Are there any REAL competitions with judges who actually know what they are doing?

Honestly yeah i call that they do not know the true D1GP rules for tandeming. Was this a battle from yesterday? A team battle?

GhostZ
Gt5/GTP drift competitions are designed to self-serve the egos of teams formed by individuals who want the glory of victory over someone else, and will use any means necessary to get it. They are not always good at that, but that is why there are there.

Once you understand that, they make much more sense. Victory does not correlate to skill, nor does Victory correlate to style, nor does style correlate with skill. You must play politics and learn what your watchers will expect in order to win. It's much like acting, or (if you want to call it a joke) a stand-up comedy routine. The audience decides what victory means.

That isn't to say they are wrong or "a joke", but that you have to enter knowing that it is a gathering of high emotions, not an objective competition.

And not all comps are that way.

I get called to judge comps a lot. I don't vote for my team or people I like just for the sake of winning. I vote on true D1GP style. I will not and have never been bias. I won't tolerate bias judging when it is in a comp. And i honestly will call out people in the room for voting bias. Sure there are people I would rather see win at times. But if they don't truly beat someone I will vote against them.

Plain and simple.


@OP again. If you need a honest judge for a comp I am a honest judge/other guys from RSM too/team Nemesis/MLD/ect. Just ask one of us to judge a comp if we are online I am sure some of us wouldn't have a problem judging.
 
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Just let everybody judge. Don't let a certain amount do it. Been working for me for 2 years but then again mine are mostly aimed for noobs to be honest and isn't tooken seriously. =p. Just for fun
 
I had to go back and look at my post to make sure I didn't say something different. I didn't. So far the responses agree with me, but find something wrong with what I said. Maybe I can clarify:

You (collectively) shouldn't immediately assume I am taking some moral stance on this. I didn't say that drivers win because of politics or team loyalty, and I certainly didn't say that this is true of real life drift competitions. I'm just saying that the competitions are emotional, drifters do have an ego (even if it is just 'pride' or 'dignity' in drifting) and victory is not always based on fact, effort, or skill. I don't think I need to explain that because you guys sort of did for me in the other responses.

@Stavingo: I mean by "that is what they are" as that you have to take the competitions at face value, and not expect some noble or fair experience. Even if a judge is not competing (especially, sometimes) the impression of 'skill' they get from the driver that makes them want to vote for one is not always based on fact. Especially when it can be difficult to parse out 'skill' from 'angle and speed' which are not correlated.

@jrwikiboy: I never mentioned D1GP. Your post is an excellent example of the emotion and ego in drifting. And that's fine, that's great, and that's okay and I don't think there's anything wrong in that. You clearly have some sort of passion and obsession about the "pressure" of drifting. That is good, and I think that's one of the reasons why the community is strong. But it's not the same as D1GP, and your personal experience (no matter how fantastic) in GT5 comps is similar, but not the same.

The OP is complaining that in every competition it seems like the judges are unfair from an objective sense. They are. That is all I said. D1Gambino puts it well (though with less detail) in his post:

@D1Gambino:
Competitions will always be full of emotions. It is part of the thrill of competing. Some people are a bit more emotional about it than others but that's competition. It is part of the fun (for us it is)! I know my team has won some and lost some and it doesn't affect us either way. We're still having fun, being respectful, and always professional.
Then we completely agree on what a competition is. That is very similar as my original post. Is there a problem then?

I admit, I find competitions boring and not worth the time anymore, but that doesn't mean I think they are bad. My biggest problem is how much you are limited in what you can do when you compete that it doesn't have much to do with pushing the car to the absolute limits. The 240ZG tune I made is designed to take that beautiful underrated car and make it drift better than RX-7s and Z33s, which I feel like I have more than achieved. That constant "push the limits or fall behind" drifting has really opened up new ways to look at courses, lines, angles, tuning, and driving techniques for me in ways that competitions never had.
 
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monsterGAUZ
You didn't understand what I said. It's what I call the attitude of the authors of previous posts in this thread.

It's all fun and games until you battle Lucas then it's war! Lol it's fun no matter who your against, I just get a thrill killing someone's door.
 
Miko, I was there last night....

No offense, but your runs were not good. The round you lost, you lost because you straight lined between t1 and t2...that's why you had a 15 car length lead at the finish. To be fair though, the Z34 runs were not good either...us judges were forced to pick the best of two pretty awrful runs.

In fact, pretty much everyone in that comp last night was driving aweful, myself included. On top of that, the judging was completely random and amateur. I "won" my semi-final battle, even though the other guy clearly had more votes than me.

One more thing Miko. I'm not trying to pick on your car (M3 CSL), but everyone who drifts in GT5 knows that the CSL is redonculously fast. An M3 CSL opening up a gap on a Z34 is nothing special, it's almost expected. And when the Z34 is making smoother transitions, getting more angle, and hitting clipping points tighter, it's hard to not vote for the Z34.

But at the end othe day, I wouldn't take that comp as a prime example of a GT5 comp. No one in that room (again, myself included) was doing a good job. It was all just for fun, and way too many people took it too serious and raged when they lost.

Straight-lined between lines one and two, maybe for half a second during transition. The rest of the turns were smooth and I got good angle.

First run I slammed on my brakes cause he spun out and regained control at the last second.

Terrible judges. I mean terrible. two people voted twice during one run (not mine) and they were counted and the other guy lost.

Kiyo vs. Dai, they got 7-8 reruns when they were crashing into each other. That never happens. (No offense to either drifters, they're both great.)

The host won his own competition, like yeah, I'm sure it was out of skill. IMO a host shouldn't even compete in his/her own competition.

Votes were very biased towards whoever they liked rather than on actual angle/speed/clipping point/etc.

One guy got three wheels in the grass and he still won that run.

This isn't about me, it's about competitions and if you're going to host one, make sure you have it set-up first.
 
Straight-lined between lines one and two, maybe for half a second during transition. The rest of the turns were smooth and I got good angle.

First run I slammed on my brakes cause he spun out and regained control at the last second.

I *think* this might be why you didn't win. It's hard to know unless there's a video of the runs, ranting without it is pointless. It's even more pointless due to the fact that even witnesses say you lost fairly but you still go on about they're wrong.

Don't worry about it, you win some you lose some, don't take these comps seriously! They don't dictate anything, just bragging rights ;).
 
I *think* this might be why you didn't win. It's hard to know unless there's a video of the runs, ranting without it is pointless. It's even more pointless due to the fact that even witnesses say you lost fairly but you still go on about they're wrong.

Don't worry about it, you win some you lose some, don't take these comps seriously! They don't dictate anything, just bragging rights ;).

Like I said it's not even about me. But people hosting competitions properly.
 
Like I said it's not even about me. But people hosting competitions properly.

Guys c'mon stop arguing about such small little things Miko before making this thread up should have thought about it. When we have problems we don't come on here and make a thread about we just deal with it.
 
It's best to express thoughts on a flaw you presume is present as to have the issue at hand resolved.

Ya but I'm sure that when the drifters from gtplanet lose in a comp they don't come and make a thread about it they just learn from their mistakes and get better and better
 
This is not about one's driving, it's about the possible corruption in the judging system.

Ya but we can't change someone's opinion. Plus like i said earlier it could be the judges or the drifter him self. It's easy to think your doing good but your really not. But like I said and I will repeat myself when other drifters lose in a comp they don't come here and make a thread and complain about faulty judges. They just have to deal with it. You just have to learn to deal with your problems and not go and complain about it
 
This is not about one's driving, it's about the possible corruption in the judging system.

While this might be true, one has to be aware of the comps they enter. Not all comps out there are legit with competent (I'm not attacking anyone's competence) judges, most random comps use use others in the room to judge that have little to no experience judging.

I've noticed some corruption in comps but I still stand at "don't take it so seriously"! One thing I notice is that if the room has say, 8 people in it (for example), 4 from a team and 4 that are completely random, sometimes (not always) the votes can get biased. This isn't true to all comps, but I've seen a few that are.

In regard, it's not wise to complain about comps you enter, you join them at your own discretion!
 
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