"GT5 details leak" - Could it indeed be real?

[G.T.Ace]

Yeah your not going to get (please allow me to have this amount of faith in humanity) someone working so hard to make that list just to be popular on the internet for a day. I am actually shocked info for GT5 has not leaked like most other games, for other companies a 'mole' always spills the beans well in advance.

You are very naive.
Its really not that hard to create such a list, dont expect that to be real.

 

[d3br34k5]

^^ + 1,

Just like it's taking forever to create Gran Turismo 5.

 

[nuno2k]

some of the tracks are confirmed in the gt5p.
if you look at the names of the places in the weather .
like ESTORIL

 

[Watevaman]

There's no way we're getting that many tracks. It takes forever to create one.

Well, we already "know" (based on amar's statements) that there's going to be at least 90.


And when people say it takes forever to make one (not just you, I see this a lot), they don't seem to realize that PD is made up of more than a hundred people, and specialization cuts down on production time exponentially.

 

[rofajole]

some of the tracks are confirmed in the gt5p.
if you look at the names of the places in the weather .
like ESTORIL

Estoril!!! Finally a portuguese track!
Now they should just give us the city course of Porto and I will not leave my house for the rest of my life just reliving the moments of when I was in Portugal before I came to the US.

 

[Northstar]

Well, we already "know" (based on amar's statements) that there's going to be at least 90.


And when people say it takes forever to make one (not just you, I see this a lot), they don't seem to realize that PD is made up of more than a hundred people, and specialization cuts down on production time exponentially.

Didn't they say that they had like double the people from GT1?
(It was something like that I can't remember)


Also If that list is true I will be like this.

Although I'm a little dissapointed with the Rally Tracks.

 

[kjb]

This sounds good. I hope they do have over 90 tracks that would be great. :}

 

[CyborgGT]

And when people say it takes forever to make one (not just you, I see this a lot), they don't seem to realize that PD is made up of more than a hundred people, and specialization cuts down on production time exponentially.

GT4's credits list 16 people for track development ("landscape design"). PD currently has about 110 employees. I don't see 90 tracks (or even 600 cars) happening.

 

[Kryz11]

I think the word 'tourism' describes B-Spec pretty well.

Tourist Trophy
That is point to to point bike racing right?

Maybe its point to point racing?

But then again.. it don't think it mentions any point to point circuits..

 

[Boffin]

I don't think there will be the Nurburgring GP circuit because if you look at how the renditions of Le Sarthe are set out (dot point, then two dashes) there would be the GP circuit under Nordshliefe.
If this is so then it is a shame - but the rest looks great!

 

[Jay]

That 'leak' is a rehash of amar's hints with a track wishlist included, which.... I guess could make sense, but if the track list is true then it dissapoints me a bit as with all those world tracks/curcuits it is missing the second best track in the world.

 

[Watevaman]

GT4's credits list 16 people for track development ("landscape design"). PD currently has about 110 employees. I don't see 90 tracks (or even 600 cars) happening.

Well, let me scale this. GT5 has been in development for approx. 5 years, correct? Let's take a year out, assuming that's about the time they needed to get info for tracks (forgot how long they're on location for). Let's also assume that it takes 4 people about a month to complete a track to the point it gets ingame.

That's about 4 tracks a month at any given time (16/4 = 4). That gives us 48 tracks in any given year. That would be two years to develop a mere 96 tracks (the proposed number).

So, even if they took off two years to gather info from each track and put in more than a month's work on each track, they'd still have enough leg room before release.

And hell, I'm not even counting the fact that there are other teams working on the prop design and texturing aspects. I'm fully confident in PD including more than 90 tracks.

 

[Cocomoto]

CyborgGT sounds so negative. =[

 

[Paulie]

This better not be the real track list, it's essentially GT4 with one or two differences and still no Bathurst.

 

[L_Hamilton]

This better not be the real track list, it's essentially GT4 with one or two differences and still no Bathurst.

I can see it now. The massive pile ups on the top of the mountain with all the noobs. Marcos Ambrose wreck all over again.

 

[The Gran Finale]

Not trying to be negative here, but I really think this is fake. No offense to anyone, but Kazunori-San would never let this out. Also, since the track list is the exact same one that was posted over on Neogaf... It just smells fishy.

EDIT: Oh, and that list doesn't appear to be all that difficult to assemble. It's just a bunch of GT4 tracks with the inclusion of a lot of the circuits from the F1 series.

 

[Paulie]

I can see it now. The massive pile ups on the top of the mountain with all the noobs. Marcos Ambrose wreck all over again.

That's OK, because I would have qualified first and now be hammering down Conrod Straight at 300km/hr while the noobs sort themselves out.

 

[Northstar]

Not trying to be negative here, but I really think this is fake. No offense to anyone, but Kazunori-San would never let this out. Also, since the track list is the exact same one that was posted over on Neogaf... It just smells fishy.

EDIT: Oh, and that list doesn't appear to be all that difficult to assemble. It's just a bunch of GT4 tracks with the inclusion of a lot of the circuits from the F1 series.

Well they said that all the tracks from GT4 would be in it. I also doubt that Kaz would say anything, but there are plenty of other people within the company that probably would(or how else would Amar get his info). The fact that it is posted somewhere else actually builds it's credibility.

If you read the whole post it also said it's just a rumor.

 

[L_Hamilton]

That's OK, because I would have qualified first and now be hammering down Conrod Straight at 300km/hr while the noobs sort themselves out.

Oho? You think I'll let you take off that easily?

Gotta support my HRT team.

Man, I hope they put a far amount of V8supercars in the game. They had one in GT4.

 

[Northstar]

This better not be the real track list, it's essentially GT4 with one or two differences and still no Bathurst.

Well supposedly the game will have 90 different tracks and there is only 72 listed. So there are still 18 tracks to be revealed, don't give your hopes up yet.

 

[The Gran Finale]

@Northstar3914
Firstly, we must remember that Amar was and still is under an NDA, so how is person any different? Why does he get to 'release' this information?

Secondly, wasn't the list at Neogaf just supposed to show what the different tracks could be, based on Amar's 96 track statement?

 

[Jay]

Well they said that all the tracks from GT4 would be in it.

They did?

 

[CyborgGT]

CyborgGT sounds so negative. =[

I'm just not getting my hopes up. Polyphony is notorious for disappointing on their promises.

Let's also assume that it takes 4 people about a month to complete a track to the point it gets ingame.

Yamauchi says (from Amar's thread):

A designer spends roughly 6 months in average. 50 cars are 300 months. That's 25 years. The tracks are a lot more work. It's longer than a year each. We have 30 people working on the tracks.

In GT and GT2, both for PS1, a designer spent a day to model a car. In GT3 and GT4, for PS2, the same worker spent a month modeling the same care due to the increased amount of polygons. In GT5 for PS3, they require 6 months to do the same job.

I know about man hours and all that, but I think you're still underestimating how long it takes to make a track.

 

[Paulie]

Oho? You think I'll let you take off that easily?

Gotta support my HRT team.

Man, I hope they put a far amount of V8supercars in the game. They had one in GT4.

Let me? You won't have a choice.

 

[Tired Tyres]

I'd say this list is fake.

Brands Hatch is listed as one track. It would be two. Indy and GP. Silverstone is listed as one track. There are four. Club, National, International and GP. The Nurburgring GP track is listed once. There is a short track and the 24 hour track that links the big ring with the GP ring. Given how thorough PD is with the alternative lavouts at Suzuka, Motegi and Fuji do you really think they wouldn't do the same with these circuits?

I've made a more convincing track list than that myself. I haven't published it because I made it up without any actual evidence but it just adds all the tracks from each GT game that has been made so far and the number adds up to 95. I'm not suggesting I'm going to be right, but it's more plausible than a list that mentions a track number and then doesn't add up to that number.

In my opinion a thread on this very site is the reliable source that is mentioned on that site.

 

[Jordan]

It's a simple rehash of the NeoGAF track list and the information that Amar has already posted. He's even talked up his "source" (Amar212) by mentioning the same things I already did in the post on the News blog:

These information are only "rumors" until they are confirmed but the source is reliable ULTRA fair, he had announced at the time all the details on GT5 Prologue and the presence of Nuremberg etc etc ...

From my post:

Of course, after reading all that, you’re probably wondering who Amar212 is, and how can he be trusted? What makes him different from any other enthusiastic GT fan on the internet? He remains a mysterious figure to the public, but he is a long-time friend of GTPlanet and the administrator of the Croatian website, GT Surgeons. It all started back in July of 2004, when Amar brought us the world’s first video of the Nurburgring Nordschliefe in Gran Turismo 4 - long before anything official had been provided, and six full months before the game was even released! He also got his hands on early copies of Gran Turismo 4 and GT5 Prologue Spec II, and was first to discover the inclusion of the Ferrari F2007 and Ferrari F40 weeks before the game hit any shelves. In other words, this man knows what he’s talking about.

 

[Clark]

I'm just gonna' keep on doing what I've been doing since I stopped playing GT5P: forget about GT5 and then I don't get worked up about waiting. When it finally comes it will be a great surprise.

 

[Kingdizzi]

For sure many cars and tracks will come as add on downloadbale content simply because just like any other company PD will want to milk this game for all it's worth. For example Killzone 2 just got 2 new downloadable map packs which sold £5 or something like that, those could have been on the disc but to start milking the game they released it as an add on.

I am sure Sony and PD are banking on those GT nuts whom will buy all these cars and what not as add on content, my guess something like £1 for 2 cars or something along those lines. Think about it though, if 100k people purchase that car pack PD have made another 100k which they would not have got were the cars on disc. LBP is probably a better example, every week a new skin releases for £2. :/

........basically expect a large amount of cars and tracks to come via downloadbale content.

 

[Ardius]

I wouldn't be too annoyed with that track list but I do feel its lacking some variety, with a massive focus on race circuits and very few rally tracks.

But...the very idea of Spa, Silverstone, Brands Hatch, Estoril, etc in Gran Turismo is very, very nice

 

[C-ZETA]

But...the very idea of Spa, Silverstone, Brands Hatch, Estoril, etc in Gran Turismo is very, very nice

+1. And yes, there definitely are probably gonna be more fictional circuits too.