GT5 Master Track List (NOT a wishlist)
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I'm going to take back my AVUS comment from before. The inspiration is almost clearly AVUS but it differs....
If there wasn't that silly overpass configuration at the bottom of the track, it could be AVUS reborn.
Except AVUS has a 43 degree banking at one end and a tight hairpin at the other, and two straights 6 miles long each, separated by a puny grass meridian 1 metre wide. It's in a whole 'nother league of awesome, high-speed craziness to the extreme. The banking wasn't famously called "The Curve of Death" for nothing. I'd love to race on AVUS in a game where we don't even need concerns for safety. It's where the Auto Union C Streamliner was meant to be!
Also, I'd like to add that it seems a bit silly to me, to complain about a simple high speed track for being, well, a simple high speed track. Variety is the spice of life; we do need our technical Tilke-dromes, but we also need ovals, street circuits, mountain passes and simple, fast circuits. I mean, sure, you could eat pizza every day of the week, but why would you want to? It would probably get boring after three or four times in succession (not to mention unhealthy).
The beauty of having all these different tracks and racing styles is that we can pick and choose which ones we really want to use when we're racing online. If someone doesn't like a particular track or car, they don't have to use it. 👍
Looking forward to trying out this track, although it has to be said, I think I'd rather have AVUS still.
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I'm sure that whoever filmed it had his reasons for spinning out like that. Maybe he suddenly had to go, but decided to salvage whatever he had filmed.
The reason why it looks like an open point-to-point stage is because the map on the menu screen is zoomed out to an extreme level. Someone said it's fourteen miles long (though I don't know whether they meant fourteen miles in total or fourteen miles down each section of highway). If you look carefully at the image, you can see a tiny little loop at each end. That's how long the circuit is. To give a sense of perspective, someone (someone else, not the same someone as the last someone I mentioned) reckons that the northern loop (the one that goes unseen in the video) is bigger than the London GP circuit.
Yeah, that tiny little thing down the bottom is the loop from the video.
The reason for the fireworks is probably because the circuit itself isn't the most interesting. You've got high walls running around most of it, and while you can see the cityscape in the background around the loop, there's not much more to it. There's some sponsor billboards and the bridge supports, but nothing else. Compare that to other circuits in the game, like Grand Valley: it's got forests, tunnels, bridges, lakes, cliffs and so on. Special Stage Route 5 has junctions and skyscrapers and grandstads. Even the other new one, Cape Ring Periphery, has stuff: forests, grandstands, a panorama over the crest and the banking of the giant corner. Special Stage Route 7 doesn't have a lot, and what it does have can be pretty monotonous. Hence, fireworks.
Except this isn't a wish list. It's the Master Track List. It's even in the title.
When John Hugenholtz designed Suzuka, he included the chicane. He knew that the circuit would get very close to the outer wall on the main straight, and that the speeds of the cars across the flyover and through 130R would be extreme, and so he had to slow them down. There is no such thing as Suzuka sans chicane; check the circuit out on GT4 and you'll notice that there is no tarmac behind the corner (though there is an alternate route for the chicane to follow). If Suzuka was run without a chicane we'd be having more accidents like Timo Glock's qualiying shunt last year - except they'd be bigger, and worse.
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Looks like it will be easier than the Chamonix in GT4. I always struggled there because the tarmac sections were the fastest parts of the course and very slippery. In fact, I didn't really like the snow driving in GT4 at all - the difficulty curve from Ice Arena to Chamonix was ridiculous. It was like learning to drive around Monza and then going straight to the Nurburgring. If there had been one or two other snow courses in between Ice Arena and Chamonix, it would have been much better. The problem was that the snow tyres simply had no grip on the asphalt. The same thing happened with gravel tyres on asphalt at Cathederal Rocks and Tahiti Maze. The car suddenly felt like you were driving a shopping trolley with just two good wheels.I believe Chamonix is based here near Megeve, which is pretty much exactly where I said it looked to be
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en...45.827842,6.629992&spn=0.034988,0.090895&z=14
Not a perfect fit with existing trails so I'm not 100% sure yet.
It does not do a full lap. It does not even come close.
The above image clearly shows that there are two loops, and while the driver gets around the bottom one, he doesn't get anywhere near the top one. If he does one full lap, how do you explain the fact that the image on the circuit selection screen is zoomed out so far that the loops appear in tiny detail whereas other maps (like the one for Eiger K Trail) show every corner?
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Looking at the map and where he finished. It's safe to say he only did about 1/3 of the track. Thus triple the amount of time. Factor the amount of time and the speed he was doing (about 150 MPH.) You get about 15 miles. To be honest, I'm extremely excited for this track. They pretty much gave us the Wangan, but in the form of a track.
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Wrong, the circuit was changed before the first Japanese F1 Grand Prix held at the track at Degner, leaving us with those two slow turns, and at the Casio Triangle. It's not like Hugenholtz knew it would become dangerous. He did Zolder and Villeneuve died there.
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It's funny how we haven't even seen the entire SSR7, probably only half of it
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Imagine if they combined, SSR7, SSR11, etc. It would be the best thing that happened since the Nordschleife but through a city.
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Not really. The Nurburgring doesn't give you time to breathe between corners. SSR5+7+11 (SSR23?) would just be two technical sections between a pair of long, fast sectors. They'r not comparable.
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I'm talking about length, and how cool do think it would be to drive so long through a city without it repeating itself constantly like Tokyo Route? Just imagine doing all the Special Routes at once at night.
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Meh. That's my reaction. Meh. I don't really like SSR7.
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I think it's more of a novelty course if anything.
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Not sure if it's been mentioned, but I'm guessing the way to unlock some of the tracks will be doing the Special Events. In the leaked track list video, the TG test track, full Nurb, Piazza de Campo, etc. weren't there. This makes me think that doing the special events will unlock these.
Karts: Piazza de Campo
SLS AMG challenge: full Nurb
Stig challenge: Top Gear test track
Daytona and Indy were seen in the video so I guess the Jeff Gordan driving school will unlock a new oval or NASCAR road course. I'm still hoping some other tracks will be able to be unlocked as well somehow: Spa, Seattle, etc.
Karts: Piazza de Campo
SLS AMG challenge: full Nurb
Stig challenge: Top Gear test track
Daytona and Indy were seen in the video so I guess the Jeff Gordan driving school will unlock a new oval or NASCAR road course. I'm still hoping some other tracks will be able to be unlocked as well somehow: Spa, Seattle, etc.
Going by the above picture, we're lucky to have seen an 1/8 of it
If you look closely you can see the small ss7 at the bottom of the full length one and its long enough as it is.- 701
We've seen about 1/3 of the map, but only 1/4 of the distance, if that makes sense.
Still hoping the track will pop out of the middle of the sea like the tokyo tunnel does, it could look pretty cool.
Still hoping the track will pop out of the middle of the sea like the tokyo tunnel does, it could look pretty cool.
This link say the chicane has been inserted in 1983 :
http://www.etracksonline.co.uk/Asia/Japan/suzuka.html
shirakawaa
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These are the differences between Suzuka pre-1983 and post-2002:
The old layout is much faster.
The old layout is much faster.
shirakawaa
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You're right, I used the wrong layout. Here's the same image with the correct GP one. Still, excluding the lack of chicane, other long curves were faster:
SuperShouden
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These are the differences between Suzuka pre-1983 and post-2002:
The old layout is much faster.
Both of the chicanes in that photo are for the Motorbike course. The final chicane on the normal course is a bit bigger. The second photo on this thread has the correct layout for cars.
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