GT5 Physics - Spec 2.0

[trk29]

So can you roll a car in online mode now?

 

[Coxis]

It's refreshing to see such a positive response to the update for a change.

Thanks R1600 for the thread, reporting that you have a DFGT and felt all these differences. Can't wait to try them myself now.

I was afraid that with it being a lower-end-ish wheel, the improvements wouldn't be so noticeable.

 

[Tyger]

My only complaint about the new physics, and a totally personal one, is that i've tested some 150 cars at Trial Mountain and recorded the best lap times. Now all of these times are pretty much redundant, as the handling/physics have been improved, and things are way less "snappy" with a DS3.

Ah well, i'll do a few comparisons but I think I will see an immediate improvement of a second or so in the faster cars...so i'll need to start over

 

[Coxis]

By the way, I have to ask... do Logitech wheels still wobble on the straights?

 

[Dr.Boss.]

By the way, I have to ask... do Logitech wheels still wobble on the straights?

depends on the car. F1, Prototype, etc... yes the wheel wobbles (forcefully), but i think this is correct considering the bulk of those cars do not have power assisted steering.

 

[Sgt_Snipes_]

depends on the car. F1, Prototype, etc... yes the wheel wobbles (forcefully), but i think this is correct considering the bulk of those cars do not have power assisted steering.

Yeeh but this is highly realistic if you drive a open wheel car or go kart and many others in real life the wheel wobbles like hell

 

[RacingManiac]

I think they still have not addressed the EVO X issue with the AYC. The car still drive down the straight like the sine wave as I think AYC sees your slight steering movement and tries to rotate the car. As I've noted since GT5's release as soon as you elminate the AYC(using mechanical LSD instead) the problem goes away...

 

[YellowG1]

To me it seems that engaging a too low gear just before cornering will unsettle the car more than before.

Glad this wasn't me. I had two diferent cars step out on me when i downshifted inappropriately. It does seem like you have to be more careful with downshifting--which is what you would have to do in real life.

 

[DAIR]

Absolutely amazing physics update.

The car now does just what I intented, I never get a feeling (so far) that I'm left wondering "why did that happen?". Everything is more refined - braking is more sensitive, throttle response and car behaviour under acceleration is much more smooth & natural, cornering is believable. There's just so much more sense in everything, those oddities are gone.

My test was done using the Lexus LFA, oil changed & fully broken in, otherwise completely stock. (Sport Hard Tyres)

My pre Spec 2.0 laptime was 7'10.884 and I just broke that doing 7'10.413 There's little time in both of those laps but not much more than 0,5-1,0sec. So the times with this car & with these conditions are really similar, even though the laps felt completely different. Pre spec 2.0 was hard work, now I just enjoyed every second of the driving. I could command the car in a completely different way - there's just so much more control now. 👍

Pre Spec 2.0 lap:

lol what do you mean fully broken in. You do realise this is just a game.

As for the time... Shaving a few 100 tenths of a second isnt down isnt a result of the new spec. I can get 7'09 in the LFA with the same tyes and no mods.

 

[alucard0712]

Spec 2.0 Racing Stock LFA without any kind of aids ABS off, sport hard tires, against arcade advance AI set to 10 on Nurburgring time change. Also racing as clean as possible trying really hard not to bump into the AI
Seriously it's like taking a vacation when I'm playing GT5.

Wow! That's what I can call a proper driving (or playing). GT was supposed to be played like this - clean and smooth. That's a real showcase! Well done! 👍

 

[andrea]

The Rally grip feels more natural 👍

 

[Timppaq]

lol what do you mean fully broken in. You do realise this is just a game.

As for the time... Shaving a few 100 tenths of a second isnt down isnt a result of the new spec. I can get 7'09 in the LFA with the same tyes and no mods.

Fully broken in as in the engine has maxed it's peak power. And yes, I do.

And you missed the point in the time part, I meant the performance with these conditions is almost exactly the same.

I also do believe there's 7'09 there with this combo 👍 Good for you if you've done it, it's a rather good time already. 👍

 

[TheDrummingKING]

So can you roll a car in online mode now?

No. First thing I tested.

 

[DAIR]

Fully broken in as in the engine has maxed it's peak power. And yes, I do.

And you missed the point in the time part, I meant the performance with these conditions is almost exactly the same.

I also do believe there's 7'09 there with this combo 👍 Good for you if you've done it, it's a rather good time already. 👍

You meant... However its not what you said...

I know what broken in means. Im laugh because this is only a game. The engines dont need to be broken in

 

[tribolik]

You meant... However its not what you said...

I know what broken in means. Im laugh because this is only a game. The engines dont need to be broken in

What would you call it? maxed out stock engine?

Broken in seems right to me... even if it is just a game...

 

[DAIR]

What would you call it? maxed out stock engine?

Broken in seems right to me... even if it is just a game...

Broken in to me is similar to running an engine in (Ive owned 4 cars in real life to date). Running the engine in is taking things easy for the first few miles of getting a brand spanking new car (REAL CAR lol).

 

[Zenith]

There seems to be more overall grip, but you need to be quicker to catch slides. Countersteering seems less effective, but it might've been the sorry Fireblade I drove.

 

[DGiant2000]

You meant... However its not what you said...

I know what broken in means. Im laugh because this is only a game. The engines dont need to be broken in

Well yes they do as they don't get up to optimal performance until they've done a few miles. If that's not needing to be broken in what is it?

 

[tribolik]

Broken in to me is similar to running an engine in (Ive owned 4 cars in real life to date). Running the engine in is taking things easy for the first few miles of getting a brand spanking new car (REAL CAR lol).

I have owned 5 cars also, two of wich were new... and broken in a engine can be done either way... the thing is if you do it wrong you will loose power... but as long as an engine is 0 miles it as to be broken in... it doesnt matter if it is done slow or fast... and my last new car bought in 2008 already came with a broken in engine (they seem to run the engines in factory now)... but they still advised take it easy as it could affect perfomance...

If it has 0 mile sit has to be broken in... even if it is just a game... its all make believe...

 

[kilttraeger]

Broken in to me is similar to running an engine in (Ive owned 4 cars in real life to date). Running the engine in is taking things easy for the first few miles of getting a brand spanking new car (REAL CAR lol).

Dear Mr (or Mrs?) DAIR,

for somebody having registered yesterday, you might want to be more cautious with your phrasing. Yes, in this forum we call it 'breaking in' when talking about the first few hundred miles it takes a car to reach peak horsepower.

Thanks in advance.

 

[m_a_r_s_h_a_l_l]

off topic ..sorry. Where is the setting to alter the A.I 1-10 in arcade mode?

 

[Catlin]

off topic ..sorry. Where is the setting to alter the A.I 1-10 in arcade mode?

The main menu options...

 

[Trivs_Tom]

It feels so much grippier, much more realistic. It used to feel like i was sliding all over the place! Drifting is also much easier, though i've been watching Initial D a lot lately so i think ive picked up some techniques

 

[Jay]

I can get 7'09 in the LFA with the same tyes and no mods.

I would like to see that.

 

[Bigbazz]

AI are still slow as poop with the setting on 10. Tried an arcade mode run with it last night at Monaco, I choose the Mclaren MP4-12c, AI had the usual Ferrari 458, Viper SRT10, Ford GT, Citreon GT, MP4-12c, Merc SLS etc etc.

I started in 8th and was first before the end of the lap, the only thing that was hard was not crashing into them as they brake so early and take corners so slowly. The biggest problem the AI have is they take corners too slowly. I also found it amusing how the last 2 cars, before the race even started crashed and spun out at the last corner while the rolling start was about to begin.


Physics appear to have improved with some cars for sure, but not the AI. From my experiences they are still slow and they are still stupid.

 

[Coxis]

You meant... However its not what you said...

I know what broken in means. Im laugh because this is only a game. The engines dont need to be broken in

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and take you as an ignorant rather than a troll -- GT5 simulates engine break-in. As you drive a few miles, the engine breaks in gaining a few HP, so the person you're snapping at isn't incorrect, you are.

 

[Timppaq]

You meant... However its not what you said...

I said:

My pre Spec 2.0 laptime was 7'10.884 and I just broke that doing 7'10.413 There's little time in both of those laps but not much more than 0,5-1,0sec.

That to most of us means the performance is quite close to identical. What I never said was that the few .100's would be a result of the new Spec, this you clearly implied on your post.

I know what broken in means. Im laugh because this is only a game. The engines dont need to be broken in

You may laugh as much as you want for whatever you want, makes no difference to me.

 

[Catlin]

Broken in to me is similar to running an engine in (Ive owned 4 cars in real life to date). Running the engine in is taking things easy for the first few miles of getting a brand spanking new car (REAL CAR lol).

Not sure if you are being serious. or im not reading it properly

The engine ingame need to be 'broken in' havnt you ever noticed that you gain hp from a car that has 0 miles on it?

this was also implemented in GT4

 

[Nastradamus87]

lol what do you mean fully broken in. You do realise this is just a game.

As for the time... Shaving a few 100 tenths of a second isnt down isnt a result of the new spec. I can get 7'09 in the LFA with the same tyes and no mods.

You meant... However its not what you said...

I know what broken in means. Im laugh because this is only a game. The engines dont need to be broken in

Broken in to me is similar to running an engine in (Ive owned 4 cars in real life to date). Running the engine in is taking things easy for the first few miles of getting a brand spanking new car (REAL CAR lol).

DAIR, what is with your attitude? I see you posting in several threads, using a condescending tone, talking down to other posters like they don't know anything and aren't as skilled as you. Among other experts, there are professional race car drivers on this forum.

When a fairly experienced drivers beat there old lap records without much effort using the exact same car with the same settings and in the same conditions, it is obvious that the physics have changed. He shaved a few tenths (0.471 seconds), not a few hundredths. Assuming you can put down a faster time than him in the same conditions, that doesn't prove anything about how the physics model has changed.

 

[HaylRayzor]

I always felt like the cars were too loose on sport tires. Now it feels "right".