GT5 Pro/Standard

[Joey D]

You're not really cranking up the difficulty, you're cranking up the realism!

If I want realism I have a car sitting in my garage that is fully capable of giving me the full experience of driving.

Sorry, but if you can't manage bronze (at least) on the national tests, you're the last person I want to meet online, because that implies that you can't manage simple maneuvers let alone an entire sprint race around a circuit full of cars.

Likewise, you are probably one of the people who bludgeon me with messages if I so much as bump your car during an online race. Racing games online are worthless unless you are playing with friends, at least in my opinion.

And I apologize that I'm not all about hardcore GT driving. I play the game to have fun.

 

[Stevisiov]

If I want realism I have a car sitting in my garage that is fully capable of giving me the full experience of driving.

I would be surprised if the majority of gtplanet user could afford to drive the multitude of cars that GT offers on track...


Likewise, you are probably one of the people who bludgeon me with messages if I so much as bump your car during an online race. Racing games online are worthless unless you are playing with friends, at least in my opinion.

And I apologize that I'm not all about hardcore GT driving. I play the game to have fun.[/QUOTE]

I think the majority of players do so to have fun, afterall what else are they doing playing, to suggest that you need to play with pre-defined friends is contradictory with my experiences. Feel free to correct me of course.

 

[Joey D]

I would be surprised if the majority of gtplanet user could afford to drive the multitude of cars that GT offers on track...

Any real car that physically exists will be infinitely more real then any video game. My drive to work in the morning in my car is far more realistic then taking an Audi race car around the Le Mans circuit.

I think the majority of players do so to have fun, afterall what else are they doing playing, to suggest that you need to play with pre-defined friends is contradictory with my experiences. Feel free to correct me of course.

That's why I added the "in my opinion" to the bit about playing with friends. I find a majority of the people I meet online in any racing games aren't people I enjoy gaming with. Actually come to think of it just about any game offers the same calibre of people. I know how I view online so I typically stay in single player mode.

And I don't get the feeling that everyone on GTP is out just to play GT games for fun. They do it as something more, and that's fine. I'm doing it just for entertainment.

 

[Viktor Navorsky]

i feel the same way about online racing. I´ve played GT5P online a few times, and all the time i had this feel "WTF they are doing?" ... there was a few good races with some good and respectful opponents.. but that´s all. Im the kind player that like to race against clock lot o times...

I´m hoping for some major online advance, something more bold,to whom aiming more organized events. I dont care losing races... if at the finish line i´ve got that feeling "That was a good race after all" . Thats ok for me.

 

[NLxAROSA]

You still shouldn't lock out a major feature of a game because someone can't pass some tests.

Don't worry about it, the chance that PD will do such a thing is absolutely 0.

 

[Asane]

Well, for me as of currently I am learning manual on a G27 and even trying to learn how to heel and toe.

So far, from what I can tell, Gran Turismo I know is not hurting me in learning how to drive stick, but is actually really helping me.

I'm not after the best time or anything, I'm just after a good driving game that I can enjoy.

 

[TBR 427]

Likewise, you are probably one of the people who bludgeon me with messages if I so much as bump your car during an online race. Racing games online are worthless unless you are playing with friends, at least in my opinion.

And I apologize that I'm not all about hardcore GT driving. I play the game to have fun.

I don't mind some contact - rubbing IS racing, and I'll only bludgeon you with messages if you drive like an idiot.

Really, were the national tests THAT hard for you? I know you want to have fun and all, but if I'm trying to have a nice clean fun enjoyable race and there's some dolt on the grid who couldn't find the apex with a GPS then said dolt will, through failure, ruin the race for the other 15 people.

You're online and in public games. In public races.

It's not about embarrasing yourself, and I've got nothing against you having fun, but more often than not it's the people who can't drive that ruin everyone else's fun.

 

[Joey D]

Some of the tests were difficult, the ones in GT4 in which I had to do a complete lap in a given time were fairly hard and I lost interest in them. I'm not going to keep at something in a video game I find overly difficult. I'm sure if I spent hours at it I could have gotten them down, but I didn't buy the game to do time trials for a license test.

You aren't going to really have to worry about me online, like I said I find racing games to be worthless online because you either get the hardcore guy who thinks it's serious business or the guy who drives backwards around the track....often in the same race. My original point was though you shouldn't lock out a major feature of the game unless you've completed the license tests because there are going to be people who do have a hard time with the license tests or just don't want to do them. Someone who just spent $60 on a game shouldn't be barred from content.

 

[TBR 427]

Someone who just spent $60 on a game shouldn't be barred from content.

It's called progression.You weren't even allowed to do events in GT4 without getting (at least) the national licenses (so, you didn't play much of GT4?).

I think that they give players a fundamental understanding of the physics engine, a wide range of cars and tracks, and some degree of skill and respect online. There's no doubt going through the license tests makes you a better driver in GT, and if that means you can be competitive, not even with the leader, but with someone else (not flailing about in the sand backwards at t1 like some granny), then you'll have more fun. Close racing is wonderful.


But, what exactly do you do? I don't see how someone can be able to navigate around Suzuka in GT5P online without being able to complete the nat tests in GT4.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

And I don't get the feeling that everyone on GTP is out just to play GT games for fun. They do it as something more, and that's fine. I'm doing it just for entertainment.

It's still about fun but some of us go into that fun in greater detail/depth

 

[Joey D]

It's called progression.You weren't even allowed to do events in GT4 without getting (at least) the national licenses (so, you didn't play much of GT4?).

I think that they give players a fundamental understanding of the physics engine, a wide range of cars and tracks, and some degree of skill and respect online. There's no doubt going through the license tests makes you a better driver in GT, and if that means you can be competitive, not even with the leader, but with someone else (not flailing about in the sand backwards at t1 like some granny), then you'll have more fun. Close racing is wonderful.


But, what exactly do you do? I don't see how someone can be able to navigate around Suzuka in GT5P online without being able to complete the nat tests in GT4.

I played 68% of the game or something. Basically the only tests I could do were the ones that required every part to be a flying lap. I managed with the last part of the tests with just a bronze and barely making it. If I would have put forth more effort and time I probably would have done better. I just see no point to the license tests and all I want to do is race.

But what do I do in GT? I drive cars, I have fun and I do races. Isn't that what most people do?

 

[911_RS]

I'm walking straight into an arguement that I dont want, but...

To get the absolute fastest time with Standard physics still requires a lot of skill, but also allows a dual-shock crowd a look in.

I personally feel (and I do track days & karting in real life) that the standard physics actually offer a better overall feel of 'driving'.

The whole sliding around like you're on ice in GT5 Academy is laughable really, you'd need 800 hp to make it that squirmy and uncontrollable.

Took the words right out of my mouth....

 

[-kj-]

>95% of all GT5 players will play with standard physics and not pro.

I find that hard to believe, I've have yet to play GT5/GT5p with standard physics, I have always used pro.

 

[TBR 427]

I played 68% of the game or something. Basically the only tests I could do were the ones that required every part to be a flying lap. I managed with the last part of the tests with just a bronze and barely making it. If I would have put forth more effort and time I probably would have done better. I just see no point to the license tests and all I want to do is race.

But what do I do in GT? I drive cars, I have fun and I do races. Isn't that what most people do?

Wait, so you could only manage the flying lap parts? The other bits should been easy - they're all just sections of the tracks.

And that you managed 68% of the game shows that you managed probably all of the national and international tests, so it really can't be that bad. (Now, you're sure you're not confusing these with the driving missions?).

Either way, I'd just like to see that everyone playing online knows what an apex is, and sort of knows their way around some tracks, and they have some experience with the physics engine. I don't expect them all to be on the pace, I don't expect all of them to be in the front pack all the time, but you never seem to have problems with people who have the skill to just lap the track somewhat consistently, at their own comfortable pace (not slow enough to be lapped), and with some good driving manners and predictability.

 

[Dan_]

@-kj- Hummm, I see your point here mate, the main reason because GT is so recognized is the fact that there are hundreds of cars in the game, and each one of them have a particular feel and behaviour. If you play in 'standard' mode, you're losing the this feel of each car, you will drive a RX-7 and a Ferrari 599 and the only difference you'll be aware it's the acceleration and braking power, period. Playing in pro allows you to feel this sensation of each car, you learn to respect the throttle, feel the suspension behaviour and take more care with the braking spots, and this makes you a better driver. :thup:

But if you want to admire the graphics, drive the cars and play in standard mode, go ahead, the more copies we sell, the bigger the budget for GT6 will be.

 

[Joey D]

Wait, so you could only manage the flying lap parts? The other bits should been easy - they're all just sections of the tracks.

And that you managed 68% of the game shows that you managed probably all of the national and international tests, so it really can't be that bad. (Now, you're sure you're not confusing these with the driving missions?).

Either way, I'd just like to see that everyone playing online knows what an apex is, and sort of knows their way around some tracks, and they have some experience with the physics engine. I don't expect them all to be on the pace, I don't expect all of them to be in the front pack all the time, but you never seem to have problems with people who have the skill to just lap the track somewhat consistently, at their own comfortable pace (not slow enough to be lapped), and with some good driving manners and predictability.

I don't know what the different levels of the license tests were, I haven't played GT4 in years, probably 2007. The only reason I know I made it 68% is that what I have in my profile.

There was one license that required you to do a flying lap for every part of the test, Super license maybe? And I was never able to do it. With the rest of the test I pretty much bronzed them, and that was just within the time limit.

I'm still going to avoid the online bit of GT though unless I'm with friends, that way I don't piss off someone who takes it more serious than I.