GT5 release sooner than later???

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Every game that I have downloaded(Motostorm, Def Jam ICON,Resistance fall of man. Champ.F1 racing, etc. etc.) are on the shelves at local retail stores, does that mean that GT5 will be available sooner than later(maybe this summer or Holiday season)?
 
Every game that I have downloaded(Motostorm, Def Jam ICON,Resistance fall of man. Champ.F1 racing, etc. etc.) are on the shelves at local retail stores, does that mean that GT5 will be available sooner than later(maybe this summer or Holiday season)?
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huh? :confused: how exactly does those games being at retail stores relate to GT5 being released earlier than expected? are you trying to say they were all released earlier than expected or what? plus you didn't necessarily have to make a new thread for this, there are several others you could have used.:grumpy:
 
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=69294&page=13

This is the thread you should have posted in (its on the front page!) however if you had read this thread it wouldn't have necessitated your post anyway. It has all the relevant information in the thread. I have even put you on the right page!

TOP TIP>I suggest a quick search before deciding that your question warrants a new thread.

Your right though there was a rush to get these games out for the PS3 launch, as it turns out though, the PS3 got delayed so the rush wasn't entirely necessary except perhaps we got slightly more complete games. This however isn't likely to happen for GT5, it is not a release game, so the pressure to get it ready on time is not as great. This means when it comes out it should be a more complete game than originally intended, or they had some major technical problems during the making of the game.

You can bet your bottom dollar that it isn't going to out on the original intended release date, going by track record it could be there third (revised) release date.
Don't worry that its long off, I am sure it will be worth the wait!
 
Urb....I'll try one more time, but as before...I assume you'll just ignore it for your own odd reasons.

As I've already explained to you in FULL detail another thread......
GTHD is NOT GT5.....is not, never will be. Just because GTHD is out there for download. It means absolutely nothing.

GTHD was it's own game, and is not downgraded to a demo.........of a game that will never be released.


GT5 is completely different. It's entirely it's own game.



https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2615343&postcount=95
 
As sweet as the PS3 is, it still needs a blockbuster game to set it off in the direction of becoming the number 1 gaming console on the market. Madden isn't the same without rumble, NBA live 2007 was canceled for the PS3 this year, Sony needs PD to drop a GT game even if it only has 150-200 vehicles(with more downloadable cars and tracks available a a later date). To show people why they should pay the extra money for a PS3 instead of a 360. GT has the potential to be that game, but as for right now I must agree with a poster from another thread that stated that everywhere you go you still see PS3s just sitting there, and the cost isn't the main issue because I remember paying 600 for my PS2 at launch because they made you buy 2 games and a controller at the Gamestop where I live. The PS3 needs this next GT game a.s.a.p(along with other stellar titles) to put the PS3 in the top spot that it deserves!
 
The PS3 will get at least two blockbuster games before GT5 is released. GTA4 and MGS4 I believe are both due this year.
 
I understand that GTHD is a demo, but PD was prepared to release a GTHD game at launch. Then they scrapped the game. But my thinking is that if they had a GTHD GAME ready for release, that GT5 should not take as long to produce then GT games of the past. Also with the PS3s processing power, I'm sure that the development equipment has also been upgraded as well, and maybe should'nt take as long to model a car as the devopment equipment for the PS2 did.
 
URBsmkr
I understand that GTHD is a demo, but PD was prepared to release a GTHD game at launch. Then they scrapped the game. But my thinking is that if they had a GTHD GAME ready for release, that GT5 should not take as long to produce then GT games of the past. Also with the PS3s processing power, I'm sure that the development equipment has also been upgraded as well, and maybe should'nt take as long to model a car as the devopment equipment for the PS2 did.
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An interesting assumption but unfortunately for all of us its incorrect. Although the new Dev kits will have better modeling features and more powerful. So this could allow programmers to design the cars potentially faster, you have to remember that the PS3 has also gone up in power, therefore, allowing programmers to draw more detailed car models, thus drawing your car in more detail will take longer. Thats the reality of it.

I can't be certain that the new Dev kits will allow car models to be drawn faster, but i can be certain that it will take even longer to draw each car.

Remember the Dev kits don't draw the car for you, Technology can only do so much, it still needs a programmer so it doesn't matter how powerful the Dev kit is REMEMBER THAT

Unfortunate I know but like I said before, I am sure it will be worth waiting for.
 
Yeah, it takes much, much longer to create a car for GT5 than it took for GT4, you up the detail and it doesn't really matter how powerful the computer is, that will just render it all faster. The guy still has to sit at the computer and create the model, the more detailed the model the more work it is, the more work it is, the longer it will take. The same goes for the textures, the more detailed they are, the more accurate they have to be, the more work is involved, the longer it takes ect. You can apply that to a lot of things.
 
Who here thinks GT:HD is 100 percent completed if they ONLY added cars into it?

Is it "perfect" to the GT standard? Is it?


No.

GT:HD, if they ONLY added more cars and then released it for 59.95plus tax......................would tank. It's not a full game.

Urb, you said that they had GT:HD ready to go at launch. I say 1, state your sources, because that wasn't true, 2 it wasn't ready to go, they were TRYING to have it ready to go but realised it NEEDED a lot more work to make it hold up to the "GT standard" that we all expect now.
That's why they scrapped it.


The LAST thing the PS3 needs is a game normally GUARANTEED to sell systems........tanking. It would be a sign that the system just isn't up to it. And after the comparo 360-PS3 shots that gamespot did three months ago, it everyone is on edge. the system right now NEEDS that "awesome game" and every one that's released early "just to get it out and get systems selling" is only going to hurt they system more.

GT is such a great game BECAUSE PD and KY refuse to release on the demand of Sony (except GT2 and they learned their lesson didn't they? They had to replace many early buyers disks with fixed ones, and the drag mode still was out, much to the anger of everyone expecting it).
GT CANNOT be rushed just to please the masters at Sony. When it is, it will become any other racer out there.
 
Mr P510
In all honesty guys I dont think we will see GT5(the full game ) until at least June '08.
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Good maybe the PS3 will have dropped it price by then so I can justify buying one. I would really like to play GT5 when it comes out but I can't see spending $600 on the system and probably another $60 on the game (PS3 are $60 right?).

But if worse comes to worse I might just go off big for the system, but hopefully with in a years time I won't have to sell my soul for a PS3.
 
lol ign really know there facts :rolleyes:

April 20, 2007 - Fans have waited a long time for the next-gen debut of Forza Motorsport. Sadly, the wait will be just a tad longer than expected. Originally thought to be coming May 15, Microsoft confirmed today that Forza 2 will ship May 29. Though that adds two weeks of anticipation, it's still a far earlier arrival than the long-delayed Gran Turismo 5 on PS3.
 
just let the game come out when they get done with it. they don't need to rush it so fast that some problems are left untouched and we need to download extra stuff that could have been included normally. the PS3 should get plenty of "hype" games (GTA, MGS, etc.) that will make people want to buy one. like mentioned before, if GT5 gets rushed and turns out to be crap, then both PD and Sony will suffer.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember PD saying that when they were testing cars for GT4, they were taking more data than they needed for future games, to save them having to go back again in a couple of years time and do it all over again. I'm sure the same would be for creating the car models as well. They'd create a excellent 3D model and then work it down to what the game can handle. So there may not be as much work as you think.

I'm not saying it's a five minute job, but I think PD said they had planned ahead with both car data collecting and creating the 3D models.

Have to agree with the comments about better car models taking hours more time to create, which in turn has a massive knock on effect.

The track side object and scenery also all need a massive overhaul from GT4.
 
As far as I'm aware they never actually said that, they did however make it pretty easy to tell that they had taken more data than what was used in GT4 and that was picked up on by GT communities. It makes perfect sense for them to take all the data the first time because in the long run they will save time and money. As for creating a 3d model and cutting it down, the effort involved in doing that is immense, it's not that simple and the ammount of time you could spend replacing thoes 10 polygons with 1 and still making it look right could easilly work out to be more than creating a new model from scratch. I would think that cutting down models the ammount you would need to do to get a PS3 model to work in a PS2 game is not really a good idea.
 
Its just hard for me to think that with the PS3s processing power that the developement equipment has'nt been upgraded as well.I just can't see GT5 taking as long as previous PS2 GT games. How next Generation is that? This is a competition, Forza motorsport will be out in a month, and if PD does'nt have some new screensshots available or something to let GT fans know that GT5 is on it's way. I see a lot of GT/PS3 buyers switching to the 360/Forza Motorsport2. Never mind the fact that the game is a carbon copy of GT. The 360 is less expensive and the controllers rumble(which really matters to some). It does not seem economically sound to let Microsoft suck up all the sales from people who want a driving simulation game with stellar graphics NOW! Especially for a couple of years or how ever long it takes GT5 to come out. That's why I beleive maybe a few months after the release of Forza MS2 PD will be looking to release something from GT, be it another demo more downloadable cars/tracks..........something! And with everybody throwing around the phrase "the next generation of gaming" I think that it would be embarassing to take three years to develope the next GT game.
 
if you think about it though....people will play forza 2 for now because there is no GT5 to play! and by the time GT5 does come out, many people will most likely want to play GT5 becuase they've gotten bored of forza 2.
 
I'd still take GT5 just because what it is, no matter how late it'll come out. it's a pure driving/tuning experience without the fancy "go-faster stickers" that immediately remind me of the most lousy car movies ever, and well worth of the wait.
 
URBsmkr
Its just hard for me to think that with the PS3s processing power that the developement equipment has'nt been upgraded as well.I just can't see GT5 taking as long as previous PS2 GT games. How next Generation is that?
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The development kits for the PS3 are supposed to be easier to develop with than the PS2 kits. You don't seem to know quite what goes into all of this, but to put it simply the more powerful a console, the more work will be required to create games for it that are upto the standard of that console. You can make dev kits easier to work with by adding code libraries and using code that's easy to work with, edit and to string together. But no matter how much they can help with that, creating a car model, or a track, or textures is still a matter of someone sitting infront of a computer and spending thier time inputting all the values and creating that mesh as accurately as the polygon allowance they have will allow. More detailed cars means bigger poly models, which means more time and effort. The same thing goes for getting textures to work, the more detailed the textures are, the more accurate they need to be, the more importinant it is for the lighting to be just right ect. It takes more work when detail goes up, not less. That's true of XB360 development over X-Box games too.

This is a competition, Forza motorsport will be out in a month, and if PD does'nt have some new screensshots available or something to let GT fans know that GT5 is on it's way. I see a lot of GT/PS3 buyers switching to the 360/Forza Motorsport2. Never mind the fact that the game is a carbon copy of GT. The 360 is less expensive and the controllers rumble(which really matters to some). It does not seem economically sound to let Microsoft suck up all the sales from people who want a driving simulation game with stellar graphics NOW!
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Personally I'm not waiting on a PS3 for GT5, yeah I'll get GT5 but it's MGS4 that's the hook for me. The PS3 has really just started it's life, the 360 has been out for a year and a half now, the guys developing Forza 2 have had a lot more time with the 360 dev kits. The whole tihng balances itself out, when GT5 comes out people who only have 360's will be thinking "omg wheres Forza 3, we need Forza 3". GT5 and Forza 2 were never on a competing time table, nor does it really matter when GT5 has never been expected to arrive this soon.

Especially for a couple of years or how ever long it takes GT5 to come out. That's why I beleive maybe a few months after the release of Forza MS2 PD will be looking to release something from GT, be it another demo more downloadable cars/tracks..........something! And with everybody throwing around the phrase "the next generation of gaming" I think that it would be embarassing to take three years to develope the next GT game.
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PD have said they will release new demo's through the year, but expect a GT5 Prologue disk to appear in some shops in certain regions around christmas time.
 
This may be a little off the subject...but in the May issue of Game Informer page 28 under the news category titled "PS3 Rumbles On"Sony and Immersion kiss and make up It states that Sony and Immersion have resolved their dispute and formed a new agreement to deliver Immersions rumble technology in Playstation Format Products. Then it gives a few deatils of the deal. Now Sonys using their heads, I just hope they find some way of selling them at a discount to people who already paid cash for the original siaxis controllers! Also while online I noticed that GTHD has a new downloadable version with force feedback, so I'm sure that GT5 will have the rumble option even if it has to be downloaded at a later date!


p.s Oh yeah and forget what I said earlier......on page 58 of the same issue they preview Forza Motrorsport 2 and the graphics cant touch GTHDs!!
 
URBsmkr
This may be a little off the subject...but in the May issue of Game Informer page 28 under the news category titled "PS3 Rumbles On"Sony and Immersion kiss and make up It states that Sony and Immersion have resolved their dispute and formed a new agreement to deliver Immersions rumble technology in Playstation Format Products. Then it gives a few deatils of the deal. Now Sonys using their heads, I just hope they find some way of selling them at a discount to people who already paid cash for the original siaxis controllers! Also while online I noticed that GTHD has a new downloadable version with force feedback, so I'm sure that GT5 will have the rumble option even if it has to be downloaded at a later date!


p.s Oh yeah and forget what I said earlier......on page 58 of the same issue they preview Forza Motrorsport 2 and the graphics cant touch GTHDs!!
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Where did you find the new version with Force Feedback? It's not in the update download and the Demo still says version 1.2. I'm downloading GTHD again to see if it's there but I don't see any mention of it online at the Playstation store or anywhere else on the PS3.
My PS2 broke and I was gonna buy another just so I'd have FF for GT4, but if the PS3 is supporting FF now I won't waste my money.
 
I've no idea about the American version, check the GT:HD forums, theres a thread explaining which version to download ect there somewhere. But the European version has definitely been updated with force feedback and I'm pretty sure the US version has, but they might still have it listed as ver 1.2. Check the GT:HD forums anyway and you'll find the answers.
 
I found it, they surely aren't making a big deal about it, in the fine description type they mentioned that the PS3 was now FF compatable. I had to re-download GTHD but it worked. Actually the FF is stronger then on the PS2. I also loaded GT4 onto the PS3 and it works great and is also in HD (just change to 16:9 and 1080 P in settings and you're golden.) I am one happy camper now!!!!!!!
 
So, if I go out now and buy the PS3 and put the GT4 disk in, format my TV screen to 16:9 and 1080i, will I be able to play GT4 in HiDef with Force Feedback? Or is Force Feedback enabled only via download from PC? Someone, please tell me! If so, this would make the wait for GT5 so much more bearable.

Thanks,
ERacer
 
Sorry guys but I have to agree with Dave A,

oh and in my view all forza has on GT5 is that there seems to be a more advanced physics engine (e.g. skid marks and tuning engine and body work) and the fact that it is out. But in my view I think that PD has delayed the release date to see what Forza 2 is like and then so they can blow it out of the water. I reall do hope that GT5 will have everything that forza does, other wise it would be a bit stupid.
 

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