GT5's reaction to EA's lock down on Porsche, Pagani Huayra, etc.

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Again with the comparisons, the group is looking to shut this one too?


I don't see anyone with "this" stand presenting any hard evidence to the contrary, despite one, sole, single, biased opinion relating to "that" company game and DLC issuing system, now just vaguely insinuated in the post. Which, by the way, is again inciting same totally unnecessary discussion.

Why?

Because that is just your opinion masked as a fact that argues someone elses opinion.

There is plenty of evidence that PD have funds. The general state of Sony (huge assets), the sales of 7 millions copies of GT5, the sales of 5 million GT5:P. That is enough to me to say PD have money.

Tenacious D however likes to continually tell us that Sony are broke and that means PD has no money and that is why they can't knock out content like the other game (Which I'm specifically not mentioning, it's only because TD likes to compare them and his direct comments about other people comparing the two).

My point is still the same though, irrespective of what anyone else is doing PD need to seriously increase their workflow and spend the cash they have on licenses and new models. Maybe they are doing that, GT6 will be great in terms of cars and this is all pointless commentary. Going by what we've seen as GT5 DLC though that doesn't seem to be the case and it's worrying.
 
There lays the problem. No need at all. Well certainly at the expense of other more basic needs.

I do agree it is beyond necessity, but if anything it might prove benefiting for future editions of GT seeing how most of the job is done on the detail part.

Far too busy to be messing around with any of this new car stuff. ( Must be able to check your Elans exhaust, ya see ).

Sometimes in life people are less fortunate than you and that doesn't mean you should be snotty :)

I saw it by accident, car was in the air and I saw opportunity to take a nice photo. Cheers!



There is plenty of evidence that PD have funds. The general state of Sony (huge assets), the sales of 7 millions copies of GT5, the sales of 5 million GT5:P. That is enough to me to say PD have money.

As mentioned, they are in progress of ramping up production. Latest few patches and DLCs are showing progress

Tenacious D however likes to continually tell us that Sony are broke and that means PD has no money and that is why they can't knock out content like the other game (Which I'm specifically not mentioning, it's only because TD likes to compare them and his direct comments about other people comparing the two).

In that case there is no need to spice up one ofttopic discussion with one more, which by the way is topic related, where clearly both of us are not interested in discussing:)

My point is still the same though, irrespective of what anyone else is doing PD need to seriously increase their workflow and spend the cash they have on licenses and new models. Maybe they are doing that, GT6 will be great in terms of cars and this is all pointless commentary. Going by what we've seen as GT5 DLC though that doesn't seem to be the case and it's worrying.

It is not worrying at all. They are patching the game and adding content, they are releasing DLCs and that in fashion I can agree with. Eg. new tracks with limited availability to non DLC buyers and cars that are some new, some race modified, some refreshed and it doesn't hit anyones bottom line in way that can be construed as unfinished.

That said, can we please bury our axes on the topic as I really do not see this ending well again. It is an interesting subject at hand where everyone can chip in and concerns most GT players since Porsche is being involved and it also contains nice sets of comments so I wouldn't like to see it go.

We could make somewhere a topic about all of this and rant on if you're willing to continue though.
 
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Well I will swing back more on topic then. Do you see them adding the Pagani Huayra anytime soon? Because I certainly don't, I know they've patched the game and added some DLC (of which I only bought Spa) but I've lost a lot of faith in them when it comes to cars and licensing them. They just don't seem on the ball at all when it comes to what the fans generally want. Sure they can never please everyone and I'm sure there are some people who love all the GTRs but I just really hope they learn from the mistakes they made in the GT5 car list for GT6 and they do go out and license the cars that matter.

Porsche is virtually out of their control at this point and I wouldn't blame them if they're not in GT6 but other licenses and cars they can acquire, I want to see them. I don't want to see more VW campers and war vehicles, otherwise the series is toast.
 
stigs lil bro
Sometimes in life people are less fortunate than you and that doesn't mean you should be snotty :)

Sorry if your having a hard time, didn't want to come across as snotty.

Just frustration I suppose at PD's misplaced prioritys. Somewhere in GT5 there's a great game to come out.
That's probably why I still own a copy and hope that one day a major update will sort it.

Chasing Porsche or whoever is not really the most important thing at the moment.
Many more issues to address without adding to the workload.

No Vita either PD. please.
 
Well I will swing back more on topic then. Do you see them adding the Pagani Huayra anytime soon? Because I certainly don't, I know they've patched the game and added some DLC (of which I only bought Spa) but I've lost a lot of faith in them when it comes to cars and licensing them.

Matter of timing here, me thinks, not licensing seeing how we do have Zondas. Time for DLC is February, and if they are focused on detail as usual, April haha.. I don't see a reason (yet) to scold them for not releasing it.

They just don't seem on the ball at all when it comes to what the fans generally want. Sure they can never please everyone and I'm sure there are some people who love all the GTRs but I just really hope they learn from the mistakes they made in the GT5 car list for GT6 and they do go out and license the cars that matter.

Rims on standards

Slight rendering update on standards

Updating physics engine (not requested though)

Spa

More A-Spec

Justifying inclusion of B-Spec



Those are just off top of my head and none of it is limited only to more well-off customers :)

Porsche is virtually out of their control at this point and I wouldn't blame them if they're not in GT6 but other licenses and cars they can acquire, I want to see them. I don't want to see more VW campers and war vehicles, otherwise the series is toast.

Having such cars included in the original game just reinforces what GT series is all about. I'd like to see Benz Patent Motorwagen included, for the sake of it hahaha.

Far from toast though.




Sorry if your having a hard time, didn't want to come across as snotty.

Hey, no problem, no offence taken:) Life has its ups and downs as it is chugging along.

But those guys in Photomode section would like to have a word with you hahahaha...

Just frustration I suppose at PD's misplaced prioritys. Somewhere in GT5 there's a great game to come out.
That's probably why I still own a copy and hope that one day a major update will sort it.

GT series, as a game that offers unprecedented amount of cars in history of gaming to drive is bound to leave someones preference shorted.

Chasing Porsche or whoever is not really the most important thing at the moment.
Many more issues to address without adding to the workload.

There were both Porsche and Ferrari missing before. Now that most are accounted for, Porsche sticks out like as sore thumb haha. But it also has a lot from it's archives to offer which should not be left out.

No Vita either PD. please.

You are talking about the handheld version?

Way to discriminate against more mobile oriented players :) :)

Joking aside, it is less task intensive development for it I assume. Like porting something on GT3/4 level.
 
Matter of timing here, me thinks, not licensing seeing how we do have Zondas. Time for DLC is February, and if they are focused on detail as usual, April haha.. I don't see a reason (yet) to scold them for not releasing it.

No I'm not going to scold them for it, but I'm a pretty cynical person and from what they've given so far then I just don't see this coming. I hope it is and i'll be pleasantly surprised but yeah, I'm fully prepared to be disappointed.

Rims on standards

Slight rendering update on standards

Updating physics engine (not requested though)

Spa

More A-Spec

Justifying inclusion of B-Spec


Those are just off top of my head and none of it is limited only to more well-off customers :)

Yeah I know they've done that, I was talking purely about the car list. :) It kinda baffles me that people have said for example there are too many Skylines, Kaz has admitted himself there are probably too many yet we get four more in the two car packs anyway? :crazy:



Having such cars included in the original game just reinforces what GT series is all about. I'd like to see Benz Patent Motorwagen included, for the sake of it hahaha.

I think there are boundaries of what they should include when it comes to specialist things like that. The Benz Motorwagen whilst utterly pointless for driving in GT4 made sense as an inclusion because it's historically significant, being the first 'car' and all. Same goes for that Auto union thing.

I would probably put the VW camper in the same category for GT5 and accept that one but the Kubelwagen and the Schwimmwagen? They're just German WWII vehicles, they're not significant in car history and not really interesting in any way.
 
Seriously? Were you satisfied with the car selection in any of the previous GTs?

Yes, but at the time Gran Turismo didn't have any proper competition on consoles, there was no comparison. Since then, other racing games have surpassed GT in this area, with a much more well rounded selection of cars and manufacturers.

No Vita either PD. please.

Couldn't agree more with this. It's obvious that the portable version of GT, really slowed down development of GT5. I hope Polyphony never does that, or prologue versions of their games again. There is just way to much time required in order to make this work nowadays. If they just stick strictly to working on Gran Turismo 6, they'll be way better off for it.
 
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No I'm not going to scold them for it, but I'm a pretty cynical person and from what they've given so far then I just don't see this coming. I hope it is and i'll be pleasantly surprised but yeah, I'm fully prepared to be disappointed.

Glass half empty eh? You should study some engineering, glass would be always full haha.

Anyway, I'm quite satisfied with the game, as with each 'till now, not so bothered with what they should release to be up to date with the market. That Zonda with RKM (Dragonthing) tune is a force to be reckoned with, quite handful so I'm happy with Pagani representation in the game. They could have expanded more on Aston Martin, Alfa etc... Now that I think about it, I was also bit disappointed up to GT3 I think, without Alfa and many others, but were lovely games anyway..

Yeah I know they've done that, I was talking purely about the car list. :) It kinda baffles me that people have said for example there are too many Skylines, Kaz has admitted himself there are probably too many yet we get four more in the two car packs anyway? :crazy:

I'm not Skyline lover but those cars are amazing pieces of machinery. I digress, three? were TC versions, quite different than road going counterparts. And 2012 is admittedly 2.8 0-100. In any case, I don't find it surprising at all, because Nissan is a big sponsor of GT and GT having good potential for valuable product placement (GT TV, Online content) I don't really blame them. In fact, I'd like other manufacturers to get on the bandwagon to represent themselves.

Other side is the unfortunate situation in Japan previous year that had them slowed down.


I think there are boundaries of what they should include when it comes to specialist things like that. The Benz Motorwagen whilst utterly pointless for driving in GT4 made sense as an inclusion because it's historically significant, being the first 'car' and all. Same goes for that Auto union thing.

I would probably put the VW camper in the same category for GT5 and accept that one but the Kubelwagen and the Schwimmwagen? They're just German WWII vehicles, they're not significant in car history and not really interesting in any way.

Just german WWII vehicles? Not that I like Hitler or anything that I would commend him, but he commissioned Ferdinand Porsche to produce them, they share same genious engineering practices as Beetle and were most reliable vehicles for decades to come. Not to mention Beetles worldwide success up till the end of 20th century. Again, being game that it is, for car enthusiasts it is not dismissing.

I agree on Auto Union and NSU.. If they'd include every car the GT gamers want, that BD would be too small along with the PS3 HDD. Mine is 100GB out of 120 full, I know who to thank for most taken space:)




Yes, but at the time Gran Turismo didn't have any proper competition on consoles, there was no comparison. Since then, other racing games have surpassed GT in this area, with a much more well rounded selection of cars and manufacturers.

I'm not going to answer this and it's obvious why. To note, I'm not being smug either:)
 
I'm not going to answer this and it's obvious why. To note, I'm not being smug either:)

No, I don't know? I'm not a mind reader. Why even respond? You're just being passive aggressive here, tell me what you feel. We're all adults here.

Look, if PD could round out a few of the american and european manufacturers, I think we can all agree that would be good enough. But that is still a lot of cars, and you would be setting yourself up for massive disappointment if you expect it through DLC. It's not happening until GT6.

And i'm not counting the standard cars. Call that harsh if you want, but everyone says to just consider them bonuses anyways, and without proper cockpit views, I refuse to consider them apart of the game. I can't drive them in their current state, and this is suppose to be "the real driving simulator" yet it leaves out cockpit views of 80% of its cars.

After playing so many racing sims over the last 5 years, leading up to GT5, I can't go back to something that doesn't have a cockpit view, it just feels terrible to me.
 
Look all it boils down to is this - there is enough money within PD for them to increase their workforce and therefore workload. Can they reach the level of the other company and afford to outsource? No, maybe not, but there is certainly enough funding available to increase things dramatically.
I know this is how the situation is with third party developers. They produce software. They fund it as far as they can. If they need more, SONY will write checks for it if it's a promising title. If not, they secure it from the publisher, investors or other sources. The game is sold, any funding is paid back, and the rest is pure gravy.

Now, being a first party wholly owned subsidiary of SONY Computer Entertainment, the situation is quite a bit muddled, because the story for years from the gaming media has been that PD is funded by SONY CE. I have no idea what kind of budget is purely theirs, but Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Guerilla Games nor any other SCE partner has a member on SCE's board.

You guys really are stuck with nothing but accusations on this, because there isn't any good explanation as to where the money went, and the profits from well more than 60 million games sold is quite a pile of cash. Just from the sales of Prologue and GT5 is a king's ransom, likely hundreds of millions of dollars. If you have profits of more than just $100 mill in your bank, why not buy into the Porsche License and give Gran Turismo a big leap in popularity the way the interest level jumped when Ferrari was acquired? Especially with the lucrative prospects of DLC?

SONY may well agree. Or they may not. As Scaff and I both pointed out, this depends on the money guys doing market analysis of what that license would mean. Microsoft is keenly aware of what that license meant for Forza, and EA for all its racers, so I suspect that SONY and Kaz both want it pretty bad.

So what about the DLC, which is quite a lucrative prospect to dangle in front of us, or could be? After a year out and admission by Kaz that work on GT6 had commenced just shortly after GT5 shipped, you'd think they would had more than a handful of Touring Car conversions, a Mini, GT-R and a couple of V Dubs sitting around on their hard drives by now. Well, and Spa Francourchamps. So, are they lazy? Cheap? Or is there something else involved, such as most of the cash going straight to SONY?

This is the dilemma, when you have one of the kings of racing developers wanting to make the world happy over GT5 and the DLC his team makes for it, and then get an admittedly weaksauce offering in the December Car Pack. The money is being tied up somewhere. It's most likely going to funding the Fukuoka division, which may well be the new home base by now. New employees. New cars for GT6. Upcoming goodies for GT5, keeping it relevant in the face of racing games to come. And other things we'll never be privy to.

But the one thing I do know, as far as anything can be known of a developer, is that the team isn't lazy or cheap, and aren't happy with the grumbling from fans. If they could give us Porsche for free, they would. So, speculation from any of us on this matter isn't any better than someone else's, but they are doing what's feasible.
 
Yes, but at the time Gran Turismo didn't have any proper competition on consoles, there was no comparison. Since then, other racing games have surpassed GT in this area, with a much more well rounded selection of cars and manufacturers.

Passive yes, but not aggressive:)

Because of what you've written, I bolded the part. I don't know how many would agree with this I don't. Personally, I see it as uninformed and over the top statement (not a fact:) ) because GT5 has huuuge selection of cars and I don't see anything come closer to it, yet. I'll elaborate this in lower section where you had made overview of it.

Look, if PD could round out a few of the american and european manufacturers, I think we can all agree that would be good enough. But that is still a lot of cars, and you would be setting yourself up for massive disappointment if you expect it through DLC. It's not happening until GT6.

I'm not expecting more cars, just further development and texture updates. So far I am satisfied, moreover cause I don't remember any other developer house doing what they are doing with continuous support.

And probably not expecting it because it is eastern country and they had been evolving constantly and involving western cars continuously so I kind of expected what we have now.

And i'm not counting the standard cars. Call that harsh if you want, but everyone says to just consider them bonuses anyways, and without proper cockpit views, I refuse to consider them apart of the game. I can't drive them in their current state, and this is suppose to be "the real driving simulator" yet it leaves out cockpit views of 80% of its cars.

After playing so many racing sims over the last 5 years, leading up to GT5, I can't go back to something that doesn't have a cockpit view, it just feels terrible to me.

Your palate is quite delicate:)

I'm driving all of the standard cars in the this so called cockpit and I don't really mind it. I'm not justifying it but just highlighting here my personal opinion. I'd like those cars premium but what to do. Enjoying the game since the launch date so like all of those GTs before.. I really don't know what to say..
It is not perfect but it is also not that bad as you make it out to be.
It seems overly dismissive of you do exclude part of the game like that, sorry.
 
I dismiss it because I don't want Polyphony to think the standard cars are something I want in future Gran Turismo titles. I don't think they are acceptable coming from a developer with as big of a pedigree as Polyphony. In fact I won't buy GT6 at all if they use those standards again, and you can hold me to that.


I'm not expecting more cars, just further development and texture updates. So far I am satisfied, moreover cause I don't remember any other developer house doing what they are doing with continuous support.

And probably not expecting it because it is eastern country and they had been evolving constantly and involving western cars continuously so I kind of expected what we have now.

Then you're basically agreeing with what I said earlier about there not really being many new premiums in GT5. Details on GT6 are still very bare, but Kaz has at least hinted that he wants a much bigger car list next time.
 
I dismiss it because I don't want Polyphony to think the standard cars are something I want in future Gran Turismo titles. I don't think they are acceptable coming from a developer with as big of a pedigree as Polyphony. In fact I won't buy GT6 at all if they use those standards again, and you can hold me to that.

They don't think that. Relative to what KY wanted, and what Sony wanted we got the product as is in the beginning. And what with all of us insisting and making joke of them too for not issuing the game for so long. It was a compromise, and the one I can live with.


Then you're basically agreeing with what I said earlier about there not really being many new premiums in GT5. Details on GT6 are still very bare, but Kaz has at least hinted that he wants a much bigger car list next time.

Hi Mr. Strawman hahaha... I haven't agreed on that, I just said that I accept the game for what it is, read again:)

I'm sure they will make a windows 7 out of it and not one more Vista, no matter how good Vista was. I was one of those that liked it:)
 
Hi Mr. Strawman hahaha... I haven't agreed on that, I just said that I accept the game for what it is, read again:)

I'm sure they will make a windows 7 out of it and not one more Vista, no matter how good Vista was. I was one of those that liked it:)

Yes you did agree with me, read what I said again. I said exactly what you just did, that I accept the game for what it is right now. That its current status is not likely to change and we will have to wait for GT6 before we get what we really want. And you're using the term strawman incorrectly.

If you're okay with quantity over quality, then we will just have to agree to disagree. I would much rather have half of the car list we have now, if everything was really good looking.

And really, you're trying to go off topic here, and I wonder if that's because you dont have anything to add to what my original point was? Really you're just bringing things up that aren't relevant.

Just to reiterate, because so far you've missed it every time; it's my opinion that we are not going to get the well rounded premium car list we all want in Gran Turismo 5. So far Polyphony's reaction to DLC and how they are handling the updates, says i'm right. Maybe that will change? Who knows. We don't know how long they plan on providing this DLC. Through early 2012 at the very least.
 
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^^^^

Are you sure you want me to retort or should we leave it at that?

At this point, I don't think you have any thing to add that's worth my time. You can if you want, but i'm not going to bother reading it.

Between you using terms incorrectly, repeating things that I already said, and not realizing that you're agreeing with me; I think you're either trolling, or you just don't understand what i'm saying at all because english isn't your native language, so something is lost in translation. I don't see a conversation with you, about this, going anywhere.
 
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At this point, I don't think you have any thing to add that's worth my time. You can if you want, but i'm not going to bother reading it.

High chair you're sitting on isn't it? :)

You haven't bothered reading what I was saying before so that is why I asked in the first place.

Cheers!

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Between you using terms incorrectly, repeating things that I already said, and not realizing that you're agreeing with me; I think you're either trolling, or you just don't understand what i'm saying at all because english isn't your native language, so something is lost in translation. I don't see a conversation with you, about this, going anywhere.

Seriously?

Editing post and then continuing to new low is how you handle yourself?
You asked for a nice, civil discussion and now you mask your insults?

To avoid new confrontation by you here is a neutral definition and example:
Description of Straw Man

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.

Examples of Straw Man

Prof. Jones: "The university just cut our yearly budget by $10,000."
Prof. Smith: "What are we going to do?"
Prof. Brown: "I think we should eliminate one of the teaching assistant positions. That would take care of it."
Prof. Jones: "We could reduce our scheduled raises instead."
Prof. Brown: " I can't understand why you want to bleed us dry like that, Jones."
"Senator Jones says that we should not fund the attack submarine program. I disagree entirely. I can't understand why he wants to leave us defenseless like that."
Bill and Jill are arguing about cleaning out their closets:
Jill: "We should clean out the closets. They are getting a bit messy."
Bill: "Why, we just went through those closets last year. Do we have to clean them out everyday?"
Jill: "I never said anything about cleaning them out every day. You just want too keep all your junk forever, which is just ridiculous."

Source:http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

AFAIC You and me have nothing further to discuss. And cheers again!
 
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Seriously?

Editing post and then continuing to new low is how you handle yourself?
You asked for a nice, civil discussion and now you mask your insults?

I never asked for a civil discussion, I just expect it to happen, but you aren't willing to provide it. Point is, I never said what you claimed I did. Everything you've posted so far, tells me that you're just trying to get a angry response out of me. I'm not giving it to you, and so now you're just making things up. You tried to troll and it didn't work.
 
Both of you calm down right now or you will be taking a holiday from GT Planet for a few days.

I strongly suggest that you walk away from this thread for a while before your hot heads do something you may later regret.


Scaff
 
It's cool. No need for drastic measures.

I will avoid any further discussion with omgitsbees here on the subject in question, apologies if anyone might found himself offended.
 
Yeah, and if you consider the fact that we only get one *true* American road course it feels like we're being shafted. Sure, we got a couple of rovals, whoop-dee-doo. There are a few genuinely great American road courses that aren't Laguna Seca, maybe include one or two of those.

Uhm Im no american, I just think that GT5 lacks american/european every day cars and some classics. In terms of high performance vehicles, we already have enough, only some +2009 ones are missing.

In terms of tracks, its pretty equal between europe and japan. Spa, Monza, Monaco, Nordschleife, Nürburgring GP + some street circuits (London deserves more love! It is such a nice scenary, shame PD just gave us just a very short micky mouse track without a pitlane) and the most notable japanese tracks (Suzuka, Fuji, Tsukuba... I miss Motegi somehow).
Hm, we only got 2 american ovals and the Indy GP, so PD definitly needs to do something for GT6.
 
They don't have any financial problems or anything. It should not be a problem for Sony to get license. They used to have exclusive F1 license before codemasters got it. Actually I think they don't even bother because they can still make a sucessful game without it.

Their reply can be getting exclusive license of some manufacture or something and not allow others to use it :eek:
 
I think it is becoming obvious now that PD are trying to rectify not having enough modern cars with the past DLC (as I said prior) and now this
 
If you're okay with quantity over quality, then we will just have to agree to disagree. I would much rather have half of the car list we have now, if everything was really good looking.
I know this is kind of tangential, but more connected than you might think, so I'm going to churn the butter a bit.

This is one of those things that will never be settled between the great divide of Premium and Standard lovers. Some people still won't touch them even with interior view, and the rest will never give them up. By my tag line in my banner, you might guess that I'm a Standard lover, especially when I mention that I have several hundred of them. And race them a lot more than my Premiums.

And this is the thing: racing a car is sure a lot more fun than not racing a car. If you get past the fact that you can't get a clear shot of the Standard's headlight inscriptions in Photo Mode, there are a lot - a LOT - of really nice rides in the Standard list. And most Standards do look quite nice running in the GT5 engine.

But say you're one of those "my way or the highway" types, and it was possible to up the GT5 car list with 300 more Premium models only. Which cars? Only the super, racing and muscle machines? Try and maintain the flavor of Gran Turismo and include a hundred lesser rides? You can count on nothing but fist fights over it, no one will agree on the list and no one will be truly happy with it. If you're going to be stuck with grumblers anyway, I say stick with what we have now and let them grumble over "lesser" vehicles, because more cars are always better than less cars.

As for DLC, no, I don't expect truckloads of Premium cars to bolster the car list on a Forza-like scale. I anticipate in packs of 5 or 10, mostly Standard upgrades. I expect more attention on tracks, mostly classic tracks given to us 2 to 5 at a time. I expect that the Race Mod car list to grow quite a bit, and either livery templates to be included, or some kind of Livery Editor itself. Along with that, a few more bodykit options, mostly of serious brand name items useful for creating race cars, not "rice." I'm looking forward to these new tracks to be incorporated in A-Spec offline as well as online user races and Seasonal Events. I also expect something of our proposed Event Maker to appear at some point, so we can make our own races and championships, on- or offline. I think any three or so from this list will be more than enough to keep the GT5 community involved and invigorated, no matter what competitors do.

On GT6, I expect all cars to be Premium, and most tracks, though a number of them can be "high Standard" in quality and still shine plenty bright. Close-ups of car headlights is one thing, but far fewer people take close-ups of jewelry shop windows, so lesser detail in race locations is much more forgivable. Especially if they feature time of day transition and weather.

On the other hand, the mix of Prems and Std cars worked okay for GT5, but this trick will most likely only fly once. I believe Kaz knows full well that if there's a sniff of dual levels of cars in GT6, the media and fans are going to stage a worldwide riot on his virtual doorstep. If there are two levels, they had better be darn near indistinguishable. I don't foresee any problems in this regard, unless you want 1000-plus cars again. I expect with four years of development on GT6 for there to be not much more than 600 cars, though with a shift of focus on making race courses, a good list of tracks to be there, adding to the 20-something Premium tracks from GT5. Maybe 80 to near 100, and along with that, a terrific load of features and gameplay elements to make everyone happy. And again, on PS4 as a launch or near launch title with a spiffy new wheel to go with it.

@LMSCorvette, I'm way more interested in those tracks to be honest.
 
Just to gush about LMS's video for a bit, is this a glimpse of the new Test Track? And what about that road running along the docks and satellite dish at night?? Anyone hungry for a couple of new tracks or so? :D

If those showed up in DLC pretty soon, that would sure make me forget my classic track wishlist for a few months!
 
Looks like this may be the end of this month DLC that we've been hearing about, I don't think they'll give us this one car. Or better I should say I hope they don't give us this one car.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
I think it is becoming obvious now that PD are trying to rectify not having enough modern cars with the past DLC (as I said prior) and now this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzaynkoC04k">YouTube Link</a>

Lol. Looks like a standard.
 
I think you look like a Standard. ;)

But it is kind of a typical Japanese reinterpretation of... a few different things. NSX, TSX and a Mazda Furai? Cool, I'll take it and all, but I'm more into the tracks right now. In fact, I have to bust outta here and race on a few.
 

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