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- Sk8er913
... Is FFA in COD4 and Black Ops different? lol.
+1 exactly what I was trying to say, and physics improvements can be thrown in there too, as well as smarter AI(as long as they are equally competitive)
GT6 "leak" impressions?
- Thread starter Dwight_C
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... Is FFA in COD4 and Black Ops different? lol.
+1 exactly what I was trying to say, and physics improvements can be thrown in there too, as well as smarter AI(as long as they are equally competitive)
- 1,713
- Sydney
- snakebacon97
so... you weren't complaining? I understand..
though I don't think we were talking that generally about the gameplay, yes, you will drive cars, win races, be happy. The other members were referring to will the gameplay be different in the sense that there will be more events, structured differently etc.
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- HamiltonMP427
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- Sk8er913
Nope, originally someone said (How does GT6 feel different from GT5 gameplay wise). I was like (How can it feel different? its the same thing(sim Racing) just more accurate to real life) then some visitors from the whining and crying thread came and decided to tell me how I was wrong.
The overall feeling will be the same, how could it possibly change? But if you want a better simulation then pick it up, because that's why there's a new one. It has better physics and more cars and better AI, it's closer to real life.
Its not any different than saying I can't wait to drive new Audi GT3s really. The GT3 R8 cars we have now have the same performance right? Yes, they won't feel that different, but its still a car, and I want to drive it.
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yes, I realise now what you mean, and can explain why the other members were 'whining'.
You were talking very generally, to paraphrase "it's still a racing game, what could have changed?" fair enough, there will still be cars and finish lines, but there's more to it than that.
The others were talking specifically, to paraphrase "are events still locked behind race progression rather than licenses, are there more limits in place, grid starts etc."
- 472
- France
- poumpoumk
This is it!
I was on the hype train for a couple of months now, but in just 24h it'all gone...
1) Marketing Lesson 1 (especially for Kaz)
What they did during the last 6 months was good. They were giving pieces of information at each big event(car event or video game event). But when you do that you have to keep at least one big surprise that nobody's aware of for the "grand finale". For gt6 it could have been a livery editor or "really beautiful standards" or "a new car brand" or "custom ecu tuning profiles" or "at least a button for the clutch" or "revolutionary career mode" or "official championships or well thinked championship" or "new tuning items like rollcage, rack and pinion steering to let us choose the rotation angle finally"... But no, we got no surprises at all.
2) Career mode still sucks
I don't see any improvements about immersion whereas I remember Kaz saying "GT6 will be designed around the human drama". I was expecting something like championships with a maximum budget for example. So, if you have too many crashes you can't repair your car and you can't finish the championship. I would love to drive in the stand and set up the car from here. When you are a rookie there is just you and when you are a famous champion you can see all the mechanics work on your car and you can discuss strategy with your team manager...
I was hopping for categorized championships. One championship for each category of go kart, one for each RM/Base Model, constructor championships...
Of course, all of this needed mechanical damage, a good AI level, qualifying sessions and standing starts but we won't have anything like that. When I read that : "We have improved the artificial intelligence significantly. On the higher difficulty levels the leading driver is usually very quick, but also the other pilots creep not like on a string pulled through the course. "
-> I want to kill someone, specially this *****ng rabbit ! (my opininon about this)
They don't even think to let us choose the career difficulty level ? It's only for the arcade mode AGAIN ! This concept exists like... forever. When I saw one of the first race(the one on Willow), I got bored after 30 secondes... General AI is better but I know that I will feel alone again each time I will play career mode.
Number of events... a little better than gt5 last time I checked on the forum. The career mecanism is too old and rusty we need something else.
3) Standard cars
Kaz said himself that the standard/premium classification didn't exist anymore. One of the first thing I've read was "Hey guys, I find a way to recognize standards, it's simple you can't see them in the gallery view."
They are the same than before, some of them have better light but I was hopping for something else. In the standard cockpit view, we can't see the bodycar... OMG I didn't think they could do this.
The supra and the ruf...
4) The 1200
It's probably the worst thing about the game. They modelize a car, then they do 2 different liveries plus an RM/BBase Model and suddenly it counts like 3 cars. Because they were not able to include a livery editor, they do it themself and they count it as a new car but IT IS JUST A SKIN! This is pathetic, and I don't even talk about all the multiple versions of nissan and mazda cars...
One of the guy that already have the game said it himself "it seems unfinished !". Three years after gt5 how is that possible to hear something like this AGAIN ! I really don't know guys how can you still be on the hype train... Oh yes, I know, I will use the "it will come in the day 1 patch" to reassure myself and if it is not in day 1 patch I will use the "it will come later in a DLC" excuse... Seriously at this point my only hope about the day 1 patch is to bring the new tyre sound we heard from the TMS.
To conclude, I will buy this gt because of the new physics engine and the new tracks, but for the first time of my life, I will buy it used. I begin to think that they should stop selling final products as games. Perhaps they should do B2B and sell their physical/graphical engine to other companies that could build their game with it and only focus on the immersion, championship, mechanical damage and AI...
I was on the hype train for a couple of months now, but in just 24h it'all gone...
1) Marketing Lesson 1 (especially for Kaz)
What they did during the last 6 months was good. They were giving pieces of information at each big event(car event or video game event). But when you do that you have to keep at least one big surprise that nobody's aware of for the "grand finale". For gt6 it could have been a livery editor or "really beautiful standards" or "a new car brand" or "custom ecu tuning profiles" or "at least a button for the clutch" or "revolutionary career mode" or "official championships or well thinked championship" or "new tuning items like rollcage, rack and pinion steering to let us choose the rotation angle finally"... But no, we got no surprises at all.
2) Career mode still sucks
I don't see any improvements about immersion whereas I remember Kaz saying "GT6 will be designed around the human drama". I was expecting something like championships with a maximum budget for example. So, if you have too many crashes you can't repair your car and you can't finish the championship. I would love to drive in the stand and set up the car from here. When you are a rookie there is just you and when you are a famous champion you can see all the mechanics work on your car and you can discuss strategy with your team manager...
I was hopping for categorized championships. One championship for each category of go kart, one for each RM/Base Model, constructor championships...
Of course, all of this needed mechanical damage, a good AI level, qualifying sessions and standing starts but we won't have anything like that. When I read that : "We have improved the artificial intelligence significantly. On the higher difficulty levels the leading driver is usually very quick, but also the other pilots creep not like on a string pulled through the course. "
-> I want to kill someone, specially this *****ng rabbit ! (my opininon about this)
They don't even think to let us choose the career difficulty level ? It's only for the arcade mode AGAIN ! This concept exists like... forever. When I saw one of the first race(the one on Willow), I got bored after 30 secondes... General AI is better but I know that I will feel alone again each time I will play career mode.
Number of events... a little better than gt5 last time I checked on the forum. The career mecanism is too old and rusty we need something else.
3) Standard cars
Kaz said himself that the standard/premium classification didn't exist anymore. One of the first thing I've read was "Hey guys, I find a way to recognize standards, it's simple you can't see them in the gallery view."
They are the same than before, some of them have better light but I was hopping for something else. In the standard cockpit view, we can't see the bodycar... OMG I didn't think they could do this.
The supra and the ruf...
4) The 1200
It's probably the worst thing about the game. They modelize a car, then they do 2 different liveries plus an RM/BBase Model and suddenly it counts like 3 cars. Because they were not able to include a livery editor, they do it themself and they count it as a new car but IT IS JUST A SKIN! This is pathetic, and I don't even talk about all the multiple versions of nissan and mazda cars...
One of the guy that already have the game said it himself "it seems unfinished !". Three years after gt5 how is that possible to hear something like this AGAIN ! I really don't know guys how can you still be on the hype train... Oh yes, I know, I will use the "it will come in the day 1 patch" to reassure myself and if it is not in day 1 patch I will use the "it will come later in a DLC" excuse... Seriously at this point my only hope about the day 1 patch is to bring the new tyre sound we heard from the TMS.
To conclude, I will buy this gt because of the new physics engine and the new tracks, but for the first time of my life, I will buy it used. I begin to think that they should stop selling final products as games. Perhaps they should do B2B and sell their physical/graphical engine to other companies that could build their game with it and only focus on the immersion, championship, mechanical damage and AI...
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mister dog
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- misterdog
- misterdog7
So you not happy right?This is it!
I was on the hype train for a couple of months now, but in just 24h it'all gone...
1) Marketing Lesson 1 (especially for Kaz)
What they did during the last 6 months was good. They were giving pieces of information at each big event(car event or video game event). But when you do that you have to keep at lesat one big surprise that nobody's aware of for the "grand finale". For gt6 it could have been a livery editor or "really beautiful standards" or "a new car brand" or "custom ecu tuning profiles" or "at least a button for the clutch" or "revolutionary career mode" or "official championships or well thinked championship" or "new tuning items like rollcage, rack and pinion steering to let us choose the rotation angle finally"... But no, we got no surprises at all.
2) Career mode still sucks
I don't see any improvements about immersion whereas I remember Kaz saying "GT6 will be designed around the human drama". I was expecting something like championships with a maximum budget for example. So, if you have too many crashes you can't repair your car and you can't finish the championship. I would love to drive in the stand and set up the car from here. When you are a rookie there is just you and when you are a famous champion you can see all the mechanics work on your car and you can discuss strategy with your team manager...
I was hopping for categorized championships. One championship for each category of go kart, one for each RM/Base Model, constructor championships...
Of course, all of this needed mechanical damage, a good AI level, qualifying sessions and standing starts but we won't have anything like that. When I read that : "We have improved the artificial intelligence significantly. On the higher difficulty levels the leading driver is usually very quick, but also the other pilots creep not like on a string pulled through the course. "
-> I want to kill someone, specially this *****ng rabbit ! (my opininon about this)
They don't even think to let us choose the career difficulty level ? It's only for the arcade mode AGAIN ! This concept exists like... forever. When I saw one of the first race(the one on Willow), I got bored after 30 secondes... General AI is better but I know that I will feel alone again each time I will play career mode.
Number of events... a little better than gt5 last time I checked on the forum.
3) Standard cars
Kaz said himself that the standard/premium classification didn't exist anymore. One of the first thing I've read was "Hey guys, I find a way to recognize standards, it's simple you can't see them in the gallery view."
They are the same than before, some of them have better light but I was hopping for something else. In the standard cockpit view, we can't see the bodycar... OMG I didn't think they could do this.
The supra and the ruf...
4) The 1200
It's probably the worst ting about the game. They modelize a car, then they do 2 different liveries plus an RM/BBase Model and suddenly it counts like 3 cars. Because they were not able to include a livery editor, they do it tehmself and they count it as a new car but IT IS JUST A SKIN! This is pathetic, and I don't even talk about all the multiple verions of nissan and mazda cars...
One of the guy that already have the game said it himself "it seems unfinished !". Three years after gt5 how is that possible to hear something like this AGAIN ! I really don't know guys how can you still be on the hype train... Oh yes, I know, I will use the "it will come in the day 1 patch" to reassure myself and if it is not in day 1 patch I will use the "it will come later in a DLC" excuse... Seriously at this point my only hope about the day 1 patch is to bring the new tyre sound we heard from the TMS.
To conclude, I will buy this gt because of the new physic engine and the new tracks, but for the first time of my life, I will buy it used. I begin to think that they should stop selling final products as games. Perhaps they should do B2B and sell their physical/graphical engine to other companies that could build their game with it and only focus on the immersion, championship, mechanical damage and AI.
- 2,969
- Curitiba
This is it!
I was on the hype train for a couple of months now, but in just 24h it'all gone...
1) Marketing Lesson 1 (especially for Kaz)
What they did during the last 6 months was good. They were giving pieces of information at each big event(car event or video game event). But when you do that you have to keep at lesat one big surprise that nobody's aware of for the "grand finale". For gt6 it could have been a livery editor or "really beautiful standards" or "a new car brand" or "custom ecu tuning profiles" or "at least a button for the clutch" or "revolutionary career mode" or "official championships or well thinked championship" or "new tuning items like rollcage, rack and pinion steering to let us choose the rotation angle finally"... But no, we got no surprises at all.
2) Career mode still sucks
I don't see any improvements about immersion whereas I remember Kaz saying "GT6 will be designed around the human drama". I was expecting something like championships with a maximum budget for example. So, if you have too many crashes you can't repair your car and you can't finish the championship. I would love to drive in the stand and set up the car from here. When you are a rookie there is just you and when you are a famous champion you can see all the mechanics work on your car and you can discuss strategy with your team manager...
I was hopping for categorized championships. One championship for each category of go kart, one for each RM/Base Model, constructor championships...
Of course, all of this needed mechanical damage, a good AI level, qualifying sessions and standing starts but we won't have anything like that. When I read that : "We have improved the artificial intelligence significantly. On the higher difficulty levels the leading driver is usually very quick, but also the other pilots creep not like on a string pulled through the course. "
-> I want to kill someone, specially this *****ng rabbit ! (my opininon about this)
They don't even think to let us choose the career difficulty level ? It's only for the arcade mode AGAIN ! This concept exists like... forever. When I saw one of the first race(the one on Willow), I got bored after 30 secondes... General AI is better but I know that I will feel alone again each time I will play career mode.
Number of events... a little better than gt5 last time I checked on the forum.
3) Standard cars
Kaz said himself that the standard/premium classification didn't exist anymore. One of the first thing I've read was "Hey guys, I find a way to recognize standards, it's simple you can't see them in the gallery view."
They are the same than before, some of them have better light but I was hopping for something else. In the standard cockpit view, we can't see the bodycar... OMG I didn't think they could do this.
The supra and the ruf...
4) The 1200
It's probably the worst ting about the game. They modelize a car, then they do 2 different liveries plus an RM/BBase Model and suddenly it counts like 3 cars. Because they were not able to include a livery editor, they do it tehmself and they count it as a new car but IT IS JUST A SKIN! This is pathetic, and I don't even talk about all the multiple verions of nissan and mazda cars...
One of the guy that already have the game said it himself "it seems unfinished !". Three years after gt5 how is that possible to hear something like this AGAIN ! I really don't know guys how can you still be on the hype train... Oh yes, I know, I will use the "it will come in the day 1 patch" to reassure myself and if it is not in day 1 patch I will use the "it will come later in a DLC" excuse... Seriously at this point my only hope about the day 1 patch is to bring the new tyre sound we heard from the TMS.
To conclude, I will buy this gt because of the new physic engine and the new tracks, but for the first time of my life, I will buy it used. I begin to think that they should stop selling final products as games. Perhaps they should do B2B and sell their physical/graphical engine to other companies that could build their game with it and only focus on the immersion, championship, mechanical damage and AI.
Your carreer idea is awesome. PD, listen to this guy!
zzz_pt
Premium
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- zzz_pt
He completely forgot that physics is one of (if not the) most important thing in GT games... and we don't know how it was improved yet.
We have praised the "lean" and so on... So they are improved.
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- sparkytooth50001
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- Driverman447
- None.
- 11,336
- The 51st state of america
- sparkytooth50001
You can't be as excited as Sparky is, who already has 8 LFAs in GT5 and started jumping around the house almost singing my national anthem and dropkicking my PC desk when he found out that the V10 Supra Because Racecar edition is in.Don't you dare to think that I'm not excited about it!It's
!
- 5,888
- Vidzeme, Riga
- Driverman447
- None.
- 559
- Southampton Hants UK
- magicayrton
This is it!
I was on the hype train for a couple of months now, but in just 24h it'all gone...
1) Marketing Lesson 1 (especially for Kaz)
What they did during the last 6 months was good. They were giving pieces of information at each big event(car event or video game event). But when you do that you have to keep at lesat one big surprise that nobody's aware of for the "grand finale". For gt6 it could have been a livery editor or "really beautiful standards" or "a new car brand" or "custom ecu tuning profiles" or "at least a button for the clutch" or "revolutionary career mode" or "official championships or well thinked championship" or "new tuning items like rollcage, rack and pinion steering to let us choose the rotation angle finally"... But no, we got no surprises at all.
2) Career mode still sucks
I don't see any improvements about immersion whereas I remember Kaz saying "GT6 will be designed around the human drama". I was expecting something like championships with a maximum budget for example. So, if you have too many crashes you can't repair your car and you can't finish the championship. I would love to drive in the stand and set up the car from here. When you are a rookie there is just you and when you are a famous champion you can see all the mechanics work on your car and you can discuss strategy with your team manager...
I was hopping for categorized championships. One championship for each category of go kart, one for each RM/Base Model, constructor championships...
Of course, all of this needed mechanical damage, a good AI level, qualifying sessions and standing starts but we won't have anything like that. When I read that : "We have improved the artificial intelligence significantly. On the higher difficulty levels the leading driver is usually very quick, but also the other pilots creep not like on a string pulled through the course. "
-> I want to kill someone, specially this *****ng rabbit ! (my opininon about this)
They don't even think to let us choose the career difficulty level ? It's only for the arcade mode AGAIN ! This concept exists like... forever. When I saw one of the first race(the one on Willow), I got bored after 30 secondes... General AI is better but I know that I will feel alone again each time I will play career mode.
Number of events... a little better than gt5 last time I checked on the forum.
3) Standard cars
Kaz said himself that the standard/premium classification didn't exist anymore. One of the first thing I've read was "Hey guys, I find a way to recognize standards, it's simple you can't see them in the gallery view."
They are the same than before, some of them have better light but I was hopping for something else. In the standard cockpit view, we can't see the bodycar... OMG I didn't think they could do this.
The supra and the ruf...
4) The 1200
It's probably the worst ting about the game. They modelize a car, then they do 2 different liveries plus an RM/BBase Model and suddenly it counts like 3 cars. Because they were not able to include a livery editor, they do it tehmself and they count it as a new car but IT IS JUST A SKIN! This is pathetic, and I don't even talk about all the multiple verions of nissan and mazda cars...
One of the guy that already have the game said it himself "it seems unfinished !". Three years after gt5 how is that possible to hear something like this AGAIN ! I really don't know guys how can you still be on the hype train... Oh yes, I know, I will use the "it will come in the day 1 patch" to reassure myself and if it is not in day 1 patch I will use the "it will come later in a DLC" excuse... Seriously at this point my only hope about the day 1 patch is to bring the new tyre sound we heard from the TMS.
To conclude, I will buy this gt because of the new physic engine and the new tracks, but for the first time of my life, I will buy it used. I begin to think that they should stop selling final products as games. Perhaps they should do B2B and sell their physical/graphical engine to other companies that could build their game with it and only focus on the immersion, championship, mechanical damage and AI.
Oh you are so right in every thing you say. You should be the new CEO for PD
- 1,795
- Gambleboyen
Overall I'm quite disappointed. As I've thought for a while this is GT5 with a new UI, slightly improved standards and a handful of new cars.
I've preordered and will of course play and enjoy it, but I'm not thinking it will be more than a GT5 v3.0
I've preordered and will of course play and enjoy it, but I'm not thinking it will be more than a GT5 v3.0
- 472
- France
- poumpoumk
So you not happy right?
Let's say I'm sad because this game could have bring up gran turismo to another level. But I'm also happy because GT5.1 is better than GT5 so I will buy it (used) and have fun with it. I really see this game as a DLC with new tracks and new physics.
I still have a little hope, perhaps Kaz could announce something next week at the Ronda event but I don't think so...
Oh you are so right in every thing you say. You should be the new CEO for PD
Thank you guys, let's hope Kaz and his team read gtplanet sometimes...
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- Neomone
So far I don't see how they're going to make the stated goal of 1200 cars at release. They were at 1196 on their website, which was close enough I suppose, and then they lost all the old NASCARS. They're not even going to be close unless they have 20+ cars included in the Day 0 patch. And that's with the dodgy duplication of Base Models and Huayra and friends.
False advertising at it's finest.
False advertising at it's finest.
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- Gambleboyen
number of cars is totally irrelevant really when 3-400 of them are duplicates of commuter cars
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- Neomone
Oh I agree. And the Renault/Lutetcia trick. And the MX5/Miata/Eunos trick. And their Lexus/Toyota tricks. And so on.
And yet even with all these, they're really struggling to meet targets.
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mister dog
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- misterdog7
Just watched the dealership video and it made me a bit depressed, seeing all those thumbnails of standards i already owned in GT4 and 5 with the occasional premium in between, and then pages full of duplicates...
The more i read about GT6's details the more i get a "been there, done that" feeling, even tough there is still some slight hope that the AI will be a bit better than before and there "might" be a standing start somewhere later on in career mode, it is not enough to get me excited about it as to justify a day 1 purchase. Most of the flaws i hated in GT5 (Boring race structure, stupid engine sounds, PS2 era standard cars with a ridiculous cardboard cutout cockpit view), are still very present
The only thing that manages to excite me somewhat is trying out the physics model on a diverse selection of circuits and being able to set the time of the day, which will make it ideal for when i have my mate over and we do a bit of hotlapping and try to better eachother's time.
Unless there are still some major positive surprises around the corner before December 6th, i will buy it second hand also from the bargain shelve in a couple of months.
Wiegert
Premium
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- United Kingdom
It is odd to see PD - who seem to be proficient at padding the car count even now - still failed to reach the "1200" goal they set out for at launch.
Throwing out models like the standard Cizeta and XJR-9LM didn't help that cause. And while I'm glad they had the sense that day to remove some standard cars, it's merely a small drop in the ocean of dupes and wouldn't have made much difference to the numbers if they had stayed anyway. Plus they seem to be more concerned with adding brand new Premium model dupes to care.
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