GT6 Sales Discussion

[PIP_36]

Then why are you buying GT at all? You warn people not to expect it from GT7.. but you clearly expected it from 5 or 6, based on what?

edit: I also meant to say that on your list of 5 scenarios, you don't seem to allow for them not being able to deliver what some fans want... it's not always don't/won't, sometimes it's can't.

I bought GT5 because I thought it would be GT5P but more and better. I bought GT6 because it advertised online leader boards along with a lot of other features...you can imagine my disappointment.

 

[Earth]

IMO, #2 has been their reasoning, and they always used sales numbers to back up that reasoning. Hate to say it, but the arrogance of #2 is clearly seen in their interviews. No improvement to the damage model? ' We want you to focus on the beauty of the cars'. Bad sound? No, it just sounds too real. We may update the sound if we get around to it.

All GT needs is options. AI difficulty 80-120%. Race length 5-100% (now even the clubman cup can have difficult 50 lap races if you so wish along with credit bonuses for running longer harder races). And a 30 minute skippable pre-race qualifying session that doubles as a practice session.

Its not rocket science. PD just went after the super casuals with GT6. Problem is the casuals arent wowed by GT6's PS3 visuals compared to GT5 and the new physics mean nothing to them. So they skipped GT5.

 

[Bo]

I read it and you are using different words to say what I and the majority are saying, that offline 'racing' is a joke.

Or am I missing something?

Yes I am, so why did you accuse me of pretending it's real racing? And being condescending about me "thinking i'm achieving something"?

I agree with everyone in that it's crap, just that GT never set out in the first place to be a full on racing sim that you said you'd like it to be.

 

[PIP_36]

Yes I am, so why did you accuse me of pretending it's real racing? And being condescending about me "thinking i'm achieving something"?

I agree with everyone in that it's crap, just that GT never set out in the first place to be a full on racing sim that you said you'd like it to be.

Because up until that post I have only ever seen you defend these 'races' and telling everyone who criticises them that GT isn't a racing game, it's not a sim etc, etc.

If you have stated these feelings in this thread before today then I obviously have missed it and I apologise and didn't mean any offence. But you seem to react defensively to people who don't like this game or how the 'races' are conducted.

Also, I not asking it to be a sim, all I ask is that it's a racing game, with a racing career in single player. I know, how dare I!

 

[cassiusclay99]

Yes I am, so why did you accuse me of pretending it's real racing? And being condescending about me "thinking i'm achieving something"?

I agree with everyone in that it's crap, just that GT never set out in the first place to be a full on racing sim that you said you'd like it to be.

@Samus already proved you wrong on this.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...at-does-this-mean.292590/page-38#post-9682393

 

[lancia delta hf]

Having every single sector that GT caters for in incredible depth just wouldn't be viable. Imagine a racing sim, with race weekends, and then you went off to do some historic car collecting, and then you did some casual drifting, and then you organised some car meets... that would be a horrible mess.

Instead of that mess which would actually be interestng to a lot of gt'ers we get this pile of mess, I know which mess i would choose.

Back of GT6:
...change the racing genre forever......take your place in a racing world.....race on new real world tracks....

Back of GT5:
...returns to redefine the racing genre.....take your place in the racing community.....race over 1000 cars.....become a racing driver....

Yeah, sure they don't.

Some people will only see what they want to see to fit their arguement, It's a driving simulator remember, Yet it doesnt even do that well, Simulating driving on closed circuits? Yea ok i wonder what defence Kaz lovers have for that (lemme guess, Its not forza horizon, go buy that if you blah blah blah)

@hsv010 -> Saying that GT is not a racing is non-sense. When there are others cars on the track and the goal is to finish first, it's a RACE. And when the game rewards victorys and you are expected to win races, not beat times, it's a racing game. The whole GT mode is around winning races... not time trials.

If you play a FPS where ennemys are dumb and never shoot back, will you defend it saying "This is a shooting game, not a war game!"? i don't think so.

Only if this FPS is headed by Kaz and PD

Hardcore is a state of mind, not everyone can perceive it Samus.

LOL so if someone tells me Mariokart is hardcore i have to take their word for it?

 

[Bo]

Because up until that post I have only ever seen you defend these 'races' and telling everyone who criticises them that GT isn't a racing game, it's not a sim etc, etc.

If you have stated these feelings in this thread before today then I obviously have missed it and I apologise and didn't mean any offence. But you seem to react defensively to people who don't like this game or how the 'races' are conducted.

Also, I not asking it to be a sim, all I ask is that it's a racing game, with a racing career in single player. I know, how dare I!

I did post a few times about how it's crap, but we're dragging this off topic now. At least we're on equal terms .

@Samus already proved you wrong on this.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...at-does-this-mean.292590/page-38#post-9682393

That says nothing about full on racing sims, just that you can race. The sims we're talking about are the ones mentioned here, ones with full weekends, teams etc.

 

[eSZee]

I mean... that GT5 which you didn't need to accomplish some hard as hell license tests in order to race is the hardcore one?

I'm glad we're on the same page.

 

[lazywolfe]

May 21 2014

 

[mister dog]

GT4 was their last descent racing game; 2005 - 2014 = 9 years of no progress but instead taking the series backwards, so i don't believe PD will all of a sudden see the light and change their formula around after such a long time. Frankly i find them incompetent and the whole DLC promise they couldn't hold proves that point once again.

I'm guessing more of the same for GT7 and sales will never top 4 million anymore if they keep on like that.

 

[Earth]

If they've really been monitoring the suggestion forums as Jordan says, then I think they can turn things around. GT may need alot of work, but simply bringing it up to modern racing game standards by adding basic universal features like a livery editor would go a long way.

 

[mister dog]

If they've really been monitoring the suggestion forums as Jordan says, then I think they can turn things around. GT may need alot of work, but simply bringing it up to modern racing game standards by adding basic universal features like a livery editor would go a long way.

We've been writing down the same ideas here to improve the game for years already and nothing has been done about it, you think they would start making translator-san read GTP all of a sudden?

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I personally think they need to go back to their roots and make a challenging game. GT6 is worst in the series as a game point of view in my opinion at release .....

I would have to disagree, GT5 was worse just due to the XP they tried to add in there. It was horrible once you got up to around level 30 or so. I never did unlock the final two races in A-Spec.

I enjoyed GT6, ran every race, wish there were more.

 

[dimassa19]

GT4 was their last descent racing game; 2005 - 2014 = 9 years of no progress but instead taking the series backwards, so i don't believe PD will all of a sudden see the light and change their formula around after such a long time. Frankly i find them incompetent and the whole DLC promise they couldn't hold proves that point once again.

I'm guessing more of the same for GT7 and sales will never top 4 million anymore if they keep on like that.

 

[Nooboogering]

"GT has never, ever sold itself as a racing game. Ever. It's a driving game, where in order to buy cars and have new driving experiences you race. It's nothing like real racing, because it doesn't exactly aim to be.

Also, i've said it once and i'll say it again - PD have to put a bit of everything into GT to keep it alive."

That's exactly how I found Gran Turismo in their very first game.

It's like your this racing driver who has gone to Japan to ply his trade and found out that their is a new racing series about to start.

The rules are that you can buy a car you can afford in any of the manufacturer showrooms in Japan..... and you know rest!

The manufacturer showrooms are filled with everyday cars that you would normally drive.

But hey! You're a racing driver.

That's how I felt about the whole Gran Turismo series. It was simple but ground breaking and the flashy stuff was in the way it made the driving believable.

 

[mister dog]

"GT has never, ever sold itself as a racing game. Ever."

 

[Rustyhole]

2, PD know full well what their fans want, but think they know best and refuse to change anything.

3, PD know what their fans want, but don't know how or when to change

I would say 70% #3 - 30% #2. To use an analogy to something like Windows. Sure Win8 is the current version but it still has miles of code going all the way back to Win2000/NT. I think GT is like that because they maybe kept reusing the basic framework code and only updated what absolutly needed to either for new features, asthetics or whatever. Now to debug they're having to mesh new ideas with old and having a hell of a time. Sort of like what maybe happened to the Last Guardian except we got something to play. I don't feel the game engine is as 'entirely reworked' as PD would like us to believe. I truly hope the features promised come to GT6 on the PS3 as I have no interest in buying either GT7 or a PS4 and will be seriously disappointed. I'm willing to wait until GT6 is finished before I go ballistic.

 

[Nooboogering]

Excuse me, I'm still getting used to sending messages.

That was a quote from hsv010.

Serious or just having fun?

Hmmm. I still have fun playing Gran Turismo....seriously.

 

[jimipitbull]

If they've really been monitoring the suggestion forums as Jordan says, then I think they can turn things around. GT may need alot of work, but simply bringing it up to modern racing game standards by adding basic universal features like a livery editor would go a long way.

A livery editor? Sure, that will fix everything.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I would much rather see leaderboards than a livery editor. I would also rather have better sounds and probably about half a dozen other things over a livery editor but I'll take what i can get.

 

[mister dog]

@Nooboogering Just press the reply button below someone's post and start writing under it

 

[Tornado]

A livery editor? Sure, that will fix everything.

The best part isn't even your typical strawman of taking one example he said and acting as if that was all he said, even though you could have instead actually have questioned his claim of his example of a universal feature and contributed something to the conversation.

The best part is that he explicitly said adding such things wouldn't solve everything (instead being more like an olive branch to show they are listening) and you still tried to change the context to imply he was saying it would.

 

[jimipitbull]

The best part isn't even your typical strawman of taking one example he said and acting as if that was all he said, even though you could have instead actually have questioned his claim of his example of a universal feature and contributed something to the conversation.

The best part is that he explicitly said adding such things wouldn't solve everything (instead being more like an olive branch to show they are listening) and you still tried to change the context to imply he was saying it would.

I did question him. It's clearly indicated by the question mark.

Though the best part, no context was changed. You are reading between lines that aren't there.

 

[Tornado]

I did question him. It's clearly indicated by the question mark.

Panes of glass are less transparent.

Though the best part, no context was changed

I forgot that "adding features like a livery editor would go a long way to fixing things" which he said means the same thing as "adding a livery editor will fix everything" that you acted like he said. My mistake.

You are reading between lines that aren't there.

No. You're simply once again assigning arguments that were never made out of your continuously futile need to be satirical.

 

[jimipitbull]

Panes of glass are less transparent.


I forgot that "adding features like a livery editor would go a long way to fixing things" which he said means the same thing as "adding a livery editor will fix everything" that you acted like he said. My mistake.


No. You're simply once again assigning arguments that were never made out of your continuously futile need to be satirical.

Ok I will spell it out for you. Adding universal features (such as livery editor) will do very little towards fixing the multitude of complaints we see around here.

All it would do is push the PS3 further past it's limitations. Result of which could be reduced framerate, further sound issues on some tracks, triple beep shutdowns etc.

 

[Tornado]

That's more like it. It's not necessarily true, particularly since you've seemingly fallen into the trap of thinking that people are actively looking for things to complain about even when they give specific criticisms, but it's actually something to debate against.

 

[jimipitbull]

Thanks tornado, you bring out the best in me.

 

[ScottPuss20]

If PD released GT6 on the PS4, they would've lost a lot more money due to the fact that hardly anyone has the console. Releasing it on the PS3 was clearly the better option, even with it's limitations.

 

[Samus]

If PD released GT6 on the PS4, they would've lost a lot more money due to the fact that hardly anyone has the console. Releasing it on the PS3 was clearly the better option.

PS4 - 7 million +
GT6 sales - supposedly 2/2.5 million
Killzone Shadowfall sales - 2.1 million

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but that isn't looking to be true right now.

 

[jimipitbull]

PS4 - 7 million +
GT6 sales - supposedly 2/2.5 million
Killzone Shadowfall sales - 2.1 million

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but that isn't looking to be true right now.

Where are you getting the sales figures from?

All I can find for PS4 game sales is
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=PS4&genre=&minSales=0&results=200
and GT6 looks to have outsold each of them