GT6 Tyre Bug on MR/FR Cars

eSZee
It depends on the car and the setup for me.
In the 24m of LeMans, my fronts are usually 8 or 9 while rears are 4/5 before or after pit, even with TCS. This has been the case with a few of the older LMP cars.
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I depends on car and track how wear is in the 1st stint, but i think so far i always had increased rear wear after pit.
Never more front wear.

Ridox2JZGTE
Regarding R8 LMS, it only needs some changes to LSD, brake balance, and suspension
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Is there a good guide anywhere an how the LSD works (in GT6) ?
I'am never sure if i understand how it should work and get some strange results sometimes when i play around with it.
 
Its PS3 fault. To complex for this hardware to run and the hardware is to complex to write code on. Hope they fix the bugs but new will come i just feel it. No GT6 for me, so many bugs still.
 
@ stb155 Check out Motor City Hami's thread in the tuning section, he explains it better than any one that I have seen so far. It should be a great help to you as it helped me in boht GT5 and GT6.....Makes handling sooo much better when you understand how to set LSD correctly. :)
 
stb155
I depends on car and track how wear is in the 1st stint, but i think so far i always had increased rear wear after pit.
Never more front wear.


Is there a good guide anywhere an how the LSD works (in GT6) ?
I'am never sure if i understand how it should work and get some strange results sometimes when i play around with it.
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Sent an invite to conversation :D
 
Gturbo5
I using Front Comfort Tyre and Soft Slicks Rear = SPIN!!!!!!

GT6 BROKEN EVERYWHERE! BROKEN PHYSICS!
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I would say broken driver... it´s not a easy car to tame i´ll give you that, but nowhere near broken physics...
 
Goruk
I would say broken driver... it´s not a easy car to tame i´ll give you that, but nowhere near broken physics...
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Well when the handling dramatically improves just by pitting, there's definitely something wrong.

@Ridox2JZGTE were you in an online lobby with tyre wear set to normal? And could you show the replay from the chase can view? Virtually impossible to tell how the cars handling from the trackside cameras.
 
Spurgy 777
Well when the handling dramatically improves just by pitting, there's definitely something wrong.

@Ridox2JZGTE were you in an online lobby with tyre wear set to normal? And could you show the replay from the chase can view? Virtually impossible to tell how the cars handling from the trackside cameras.
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No, I was using test drive under garage, I was just showing that with minor changes, the car is great. The tune should work well online, I'll invite you to a running conversation about the tune.

I can upload the replay here if you wish :)
 
Spurgy 777
Well when the handling dramatically improves just by pitting, there's definitely something wrong.
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Yes, I have experience that, but you can´t say beyond any doubt that that´s from broken physics (Gturbo5 claim) or from tire bug(more likely).
 
Ridox2JZGTE
No, I was using test drive under garage, I was just showing that with minor changes, the car is great. The tune should work well online, I'll invite you to a running conversation about the tune.

I can upload the replay here if you wish :)
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in test drive under garage the brakes sliders have not effect. Try to put both on 10 than both on 0: the car brakes in the same way.
 
Not all cars handle like trains so either live with it or have some practice before starting crying on GTPlanet. These threads are getting old and repetetive...
 
Ridox2JZGTE
Nope, it works, I don't use brake ABS. Changing the brake balance alone on the Audi R8 LMS gives better trail braking stability.

I tested 0/0, 10/10, 0/10, 10/0 - all give different result. My newly posted Venom 600 GTS replica, in early stage has 9/2 BB, then I change it to 9/6, trail braking behavior changed on lower speed corner entry.

All these done in test drive. Easy test, buy Alpine A310 1600VE, use 0/10, then 0/0, then 10/10, disable ABS, brake hard and take a note of how the tires lock up. Brake assist mask the balance changes, as in GT6, brake balance do not work the same way as in GT5. Each car has preset front bias ( car parameter ) that cannot be altered, brake balance simply adjust the sensitivity of the brakes and the force applied to some extent.

I have others who have tried rear bias brake balance on the Lancia Delta HF Hot Lap at Tsukuba, with no ABS, the effect can easily be felt on the 1st corner.
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I always don't use driving aids. In free run brakes works always as they are 10-10 wherever the sliders are. Open an online room and try there to change brake bias.... it works as it should and with 0-0 the car almost doesn't brake and with 10-10 brakes as in garage free run.
 
I think the problem might be that PD gets center of mass right but not the distribution resulting too low rotation inertia? Difference between MR and FR seemed more realistic in GT5 to me. Cars like cizeta oversteer in ridiculously low speeds in GT6 compared how fat tires that car uses.
 
Raitziger
I think the problem might be that PD gets center of mass right but not the distribution resulting too low rotation inertia? Difference between MR and FR seemed more realistic in GT5 to me. Cars like cizeta oversteer in ridiculously low speeds in GT6 compared how fat tires that car uses.
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The weight is fine IMO, if the Cizeta have ridiculous oversteer in low speeds, I would have spun out a stock Cizeta on comfort medium racing in the rain ( 100% weather and some water on track surface ) Amar212 shared one of his race replay driving the Cizeta with no ABS and he never mention the car having that kind of issue.
 
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Ridox2JZGTE
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The weight is fine IMO, if the Cizeta have ridiculous oversteer in low speeds, I would have spun out a stock Cizeta on comfort medium racing in the rain ( 100% weather and some water on track surface ) Amar212 shared one of his race replay driving the Cizeta with no ABS and he never mention the car having that kind of issue.
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Then I must test the stock one. I only tested the tuned blue car given in the anniversary edition.
 
@Ridox2JZGTE tried your setup, again testing a Brands Indy, here's a comparison between your setup and default (both with full downforce) before and after a pitstop, and again on racing soft tyres;

Your setup: Before stop - 43.4, after stop 43.4
Default: Before stop - 43.8, after stop 42.5

The problem I find with your setup is yes, it makes the car easier to drive before the pitstop, but because you've stuck so much understeer on to counter the random oversteer you get when you first go on track, after a pitstop the car understeers way too much to go quickly with.

Also, @Raitziger I'm guessing you tested the Cizeta on racing tyres? I find the car is much more stable on sports or comfort tyres which is why you haven't noticed a problem Ridox. A quick test for this is to take the Cizeta out on racing hards, then switch to sports softs, there should be a big difference.
 
Spurgy 777
@Ridox2JZGTE tried your setup, again testing a Brands Indy, here's a comparison between your setup and default (both with full downforce) before and after a pitstop, and again on racing soft tyres;

Your setup: Before stop - 43.4, after stop 43.4
Default: Before stop - 43.8, after stop 42.5

The problem I find with your setup is yes, it makes the car easier to drive before the pitstop, but because you've stuck so much understeer on to counter the random oversteer you get when you first go on track, after a pitstop the car understeers way too much to go quickly with.

Also, @Raitziger I'm guessing you tested the Cizeta on racing tyres? I find the car is much more stable on sports or comfort tyres which is why you haven't noticed a problem Ridox. A quick test for this is to take the Cizeta out on racing hards, then switch to sports softs, there should be a big difference.
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Strange, I didn't have understeer issue with the R8 LMS and I don't intentionally make it understeer to counter the front grip imbalance, if you read my explanation on the tune. You can dial the amount of front grip balance by adjusting camber, reduce braking instability by using brake balance and LSD.

I haven't tested the tune online, so that behavior changes after pitstop definitely is a problem :(

I will drive the stock Cizeta in arcade races with racing hard tire and sports soft ( never used them :lol: ) :)
 
Spurgy 777
I'm guessing you tested the Cizeta on racing tyres? I find the car is much more stable on sports or comfort tyres which is why you haven't noticed a problem Ridox. A quick test for this is to take the Cizeta out on racing hards, then switch to sports softs, there should be a big difference.
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I tested with sports hards and now changed to sports softs. Softs made car much more enjoyable to drive and controllable. I cannot of course comment how real it is. I personally own Cayman R and RUF RK spyder feels similar in game when tuned to same HP.So I don't blame all MR cars but you need to be super sensitive with the wheel to control them in GT6 compared to GT5.
 
Raitziger
I tested with sports hards and now changed to sports softs. Softs made car much more enjoyable to drive and controllable. I cannot of course comment how real it is. I personally own Cayman R and RUF RK spyder feels similar in game when tuned to same HP.So I don't blame all MR cars but you need to be super sensitive with the wheel to control them in GT6 compared to GT5.
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Reducing the steering sensitivity under driving options might help, I have read couple of time that this affect steering wheel too :)

Tested the Cizeta, stock, with 9/3 BB, no abs, arcade races at Bathurst, tried the sports soft both dry and wet ( 100% weather, 30% water on track surface ), the car still has pretty good grip on both condition, similar handling to comfort tires :)

Now I fitted racing hard, the car's tire grip only marginally better than sports soft, there seems to be problem with the tire ? Feels like the grip level of hard compound is similar to tire not heating up like normal ? grip loss and transition from yellow to red too abrupt, the car is still driveable, but throttle control needs to be more precise and I have to reduce steering sensitivity to -1 as the front becomes more sensitive than with comfort and sports soft.

I would suggest to stick with sports tire or comfort tire for Cizeta.
 
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Raitziger
Might be that. I had sensitivity at 7 because someone said it reduces animation lag in cockpit mode.
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Try fit sports soft at the front and racing hard at the rear of Cizeta :) It seems the front racing hard tire causes imbalance of grip level.

EDIT : @Raitziger : I made a simple changes to suspension that might help driving with racing hard tire ( front and back )

Buy full custom suspension, I left everything stock ( as is ) except for the damper, camber and toe.
Front / Rear
Damper compression 4 3
Damper Extension 4 1
Camber 3.6 0.00 *max grip rear, less front to counter the too much grip on front racing hard tire
Toe -0.05 0.10

Stock LSD.

Did some race at Bathurst with the tune, and I can drive with less worry the front will overwhelm the rear :)
 
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24min LeMans is extreme, after first 3 laps ~70% rear tire left, then stop for fuel and new tires (same type).
After 2 laps tires under 50% did not even try to do a 3rd lap as i was already having huge problems with traction.

This sucks...

How is it possible not to see such a bug in testing ?!?
 

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