GT7 AI, will it improve?
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Cooking Mama doesn't need faster AI! It's not a cooking simulator, it's a food collection simulator. And faster AI might make it really hard for kids to collect food or something, or whatever, so nobody should have access to faster cooking AI. We're probably at least 50 years away from faster cooking AI, anyway.
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Right, but that's about as useful as observing that water is wet. The assumed implication of anyone making that statement is that it's not possible for anyone to create AI that would be both challenging and accessible in a way that would suit Gran Turismo. And that's something that's demonstrably not true.
There's also an assumption that the AI in past Gran Turismo's isn't as challenging as Polyphony wanted it to be, and I don't think that's a given. There's pretty good evidence that the AI in GT6 at least was intentionally designed to go slower than it was actually capable of, and so it was therefore being exactly as challenging as PD wanted it to be.
Went to Sony AI webpage. I got sucked into the Gastronomy section.
Omg, it's too early in the morning for my brain to deal with that level of marketing double speak. All they need to do is add blockchain and it'll be a perfect storm of nonsensical bollocks.
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The AI in every GT game has been trash. I hope this event on Wednesday is about this new, super AI they developed.
If the concern is an AI too good that it alienates new players, just have an adjustable difficulty. Arcade and Simulation, or as I like to call it, Mustang drivers and Vette drivers
lol jk
If the concern is an AI too good that it alienates new players, just have an adjustable difficulty. Arcade and Simulation, or as I like to call it, Mustang drivers and Vette drivers
lol jk
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No they did not. Maybe at the start of a race a couple cars might catch me, because I purposely gimp my power. But once I'd defeated them by definitively shutting the door in their faces a couple times, they'd often give up (assuming they weren't jackrabbits). They'd fall far behind. I've got numerous replays to prove this.
Even the rabbits eventually fall far behind, as I continue to pass by those toward the front of the pack, and assuming I don't screw up any of my cornering.
At this point, the game would focus on those toward the front, allowing them to get multiple seconds ahead, until the very last lap, when all the sudden I'd be able to draw closer and closer. This created a game with numerous 'photo finishes' in which I would often win within tenths of a second, which is fun for awhile. But I should not be able to catch a leader who is 10 or more seconds ahead of me, with just one lap to go.
Especially when I know I have gimped my power!Yes! I have won more races through out-braking them than I have by out-powering them, this is true.
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Sorry if it wasn't clear, I'm talking about the lead car. If you catch them on say lap 3/5 after running laps 5s quicker than them, they'll suddenly up the pace and stay on your tail. If you're still behind as you say, they go even slower to let you catch up.No they did not. Maybe at the start of a race a couple cars might catch me, because I purposely gimp my power. But once I'd defeated them by definitively shutting the door in their faces a couple times, they'd often give up (assuming they weren't jackrabbits). They'd fall far behind. I've got numerous replays to prove this.
At this point, the game would focus on those toward the front, allowing them to get multiple seconds ahead, until the very last lap, when all the sudden I'd be able to draw closer and closer. This created a game with numerous 'photo finishes' in which I would often win within tenths of a second, which is fun for awhile. But I should not be able to catch a leader who is 10 or more seconds ahead of me, with just one lap to go.
Yes! I have won more races through out-braking them than I have by out-powering them, this is true.
We analysed it in detail back in the day
Analysing the AI behaviour and performance in GT6
Copying this from another thread to save the moderators the hassle. So without getting into too much history in another thread we were discussing if it was possible to have a competetive race with the AI in Gran Turismo 6. @Tenacious D claimed that you could, and said he'd had several good races...
www.gtplanet.net
As you can see in some of the analysis the AI car would go 6-10 seconds a lap faster by the end once you caught and passed them.
It depended on what car you used compared to the AI and how good you were obviously. Yes, some races you could just run away into the distance, but many exhibited the sudden burst of pace.
Like I said in the part of my post you removed from your quote, that 1v1 event on the ring is easily the best example.
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See, the way I power my cars, I never catch the leader on lap 3 out of 5... it'd be more like 5 out of 5. But yes, assuming I'd catch & pass during that very last lap, then sure, the leader(s) would suddenly, magically be able to keep up.
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This is a smaller application of AI. But it's still neat. Sony patented AI tech last year that plays games for you.
Interesting applications. ie when put a controller down, even without pausing the game the plays for you with learned behaviors. Also applications for accessibility needs.
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/322179-sony-patents-ai-that-plays-games-for-you
Interesting applications. ie when put a controller down, even without pausing the game the plays for you with learned behaviors. Also applications for accessibility needs.
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/322179-sony-patents-ai-that-plays-games-for-you
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The GT6 rubberbanding AI almost needs another name. Traditional rubberbanding is just a way of getting the AI to match the player speed and have a close race, which is why you could detune your car and get some reasonable racing in older GTs. Within a certain range it actually works as an automatic difficulty adjustment. It's just that as players got older and better the base pace was too low and the range of speed it could adjust within too small.Sorry if it wasn't clear, I'm talking about the lead car. If you catch them on say lap 3/5 after running laps 5s quicker than them, they'll suddenly up the pace and stay on your tail. If you're still behind as you say, they go even slower to let you catch up.
We analysed it in detail back in the day
Analysing the AI behaviour and performance in GT6
Copying this from another thread to save the moderators the hassle. So without getting into too much history in another thread we were discussing if it was possible to have a competetive race with the AI in Gran Turismo 6. @Tenacious D claimed that you could, and said he'd had several good races...
As you can see in some of the analysis the AI car would go 6-10 seconds a lap faster by the end once you caught and passed them.
It depended on what car you used compared to the AI and how good you were obviously. Yes, some races you could just run away into the distance, but many exhibited the sudden burst of pace.
Like I said in the part of my post you removed from your quote, that 1v1 event on the ring is easily the best example.
GT6 AI was actively trying to lose, but by as small an amount as possible. It intentionally throws the race, but tries it's hardest not to make it too obvious. It's performative rather than competitive. If it's about to win, the Playstation orders it to get out of the way, so I think we should call it robotTodt.
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Ha ha that's a good way to put it Imari. GT2 had traditional rubberbanding. No matter how fast, or sometimes how slow, the Ai would constantly swarm around us. Only if we showed up with significantly more power than them, usually would they fall behind.
But with 6, it's almost as if the game would feel sorry for us if we were so far behind. Then when we proved ourselves by catching the leader(s), the game would make sure to adjust our opponents again, making them drive better.
Also. If we lost an early race in GT6, didn't the game pop a message after we lost?
It said something after we lost, but only just one time. I can't remember it was.
But with 6, it's almost as if the game would feel sorry for us if we were so far behind.
Then when we proved ourselves by catching the leader(s), the game would make sure to adjust our opponents again, making them drive better. Also. If we lost an early race in GT6, didn't the game pop a message after we lost?
It said something after we lost, but only just one time. I can't remember it was.GT6 AI was actually intelligent in that regard. It would constantly analyse the performance of the player and adjust accordingly. It would never think about its own race and trying to win, it's just thinking about the best action to let the player win and/or give the player the illusion of close racing.
As per that analysis topic it did it based on your PP compared to itself then adjusted on the fly to account for your actual pace.
So yeah, it was very clever, just In the worst possible way.
As per that analysis topic it did it based on your PP compared to itself then adjusted on the fly to account for your actual pace.
So yeah, it was very clever, just In the worst possible way.
I have no idea what that guy is watching but I'm not seeing what he's seeing. I'm seeing a 700hp AWD Lamborghini almost being overtaken on a straight in the wet by a 280bhp RWD BAC and the Lamborghini is not defending at all.
"Just look how this AI car defends" he says, as the AI car does absolutely nothing but sit on the normal line after having a weird twitch on the exit, then taking the normal line through the corner as if the car we're watching isn't even there.
What am I supposed to be impressed by?
"Just look how this AI car defends" he says, as the AI car does absolutely nothing but sit on the normal line after having a weird twitch on the exit, then taking the normal line through the corner as if the car we're watching isn't even there.
What am I supposed to be impressed by?
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The introduction of Machine Learning could be a game changer. I've been following the progress of Machine Learning for various applications for several years now, and the raw potential of this tech is truly jaw dropping. I really hope that PD don't drop the ball on this one, as this is an exciting prospect. Fingers well and truly crossed.
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