GT7 Daily Race Discussion

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GrumpyOldMan
So I just tried turning TCS and the other assists off, and ran through those corners once before quitting to come write this. Yep, that's the difference all right. It was pretty clear.

Of course, learning how to drive this way will be a chore, but at least now I have a track where I can see the results.

Question: What about ASM and CA? I turned them off too. Should I be trying to learn to drive without any of them? I'm assuming yes.
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The cars I can use without TC, using the X button so light switch, are the following in Group 3;

RSR
McLaren
Lancer
Z4
Supra
Beetle
RS01
NSX
Audi
Lambo

Everything else is too twitchy at the back.

Personally, I find ASM extremely intrusive and only needed on road cars that wander. That's just me though but I find it really hurts turn in. Counter steer, I find weak perfect and strong EXTREMELY intrusive and the car feels REALLY odd, like it drives itself.
 
The T1/2 complex at Catalunya is harder than it looks. Apexing well and getting on the gas early are not your only considerations. The long, long right hander of T3 is looming, to carry as much speed as possible through there and to get on the gas as early as possible through there, you need to approach from the left.

Working backwards, this means you need to hug the right kerb into T1 so your angle through two points you to the left. If your angle through 2 points you mid road or worse, to the right, you are seriously compromising T3.
 
Tried the Renault out after mentioning it earlier, it's actually pretty good now. Capable of high 40's (race laps) in my hands and I bet I can drop it into the high 39's for qualifying.

It's extraordinarily stable, and has fantastic turn-in in the tight corners, you really pull away from the other cars.
 
Sacrifice entrance speed for exit speed. Bring power up, not necessarily full power, as you hit the apex. Almost always, you want to be powering past an apex on an exit to a straight. The mathematical apex of a turn isn't always the same as the fastest racing apex. In a lot of cases the racing apex is early or late from the mathematical apex.
 
Nebuc72
Tried the Renault out after mentioning it earlier, it's actually pretty good now. Capable of high 40's (race laps) in my hands and I bet I can drop it into the high 39's for qualifying.

It's extraordinarily stable, and has fantastic turn-in in the tight corners, you really pull away from the other cars.
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I tried it too, felt fantastic and really has good times in it BUT it's very, very dependent on running perfect lines because the lack of power means there's no recovering if you make even a tiny error. I went back to the Beetle which is almost as stable and has a bit more ooooomph.
 
Thanks to everyone commenting, even if I don't call you out by name. Very encouraging to hear from so many people.
zjn
Great comparison!
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Thanks!
zjn
I'm not good enough to have proofs of what I'm saying, but I think two factors are killing your exit speed compared to the other guy: one is TC as already mentioned, the other is the angle you are having. It's quite visible in the stop motion at 1:10
I think the combination of less straight car + TC causes it.
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Thanks - that's my thought too. If I keep TCS on and run a better line, it seems I can get close to the same thing.
zjn
About TC: I have mixed feelings about it. I do agree that it cuts power, but I still have the habit during race not to control properly the trottle due to excitement of the moment (maybe I'm in a fight, maybe I'm trying to close a gap). For this reason I only go TC0 in races when I'm quite confortable that the car can handle my revisable style
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That is exactly how I feel about it. I just plain forget, at the worst possible time.
NevilleNobody
The cars I can use without TC, using the X button so light switch, are the following in Group 3;
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Thanks for the list!
NevilleNobody
Personally, I find ASM extremely intrusive and only needed on road cars that wander. That's just me though but I find it really hurts turn in. Counter steer, I find weak perfect and strong EXTREMELY intrusive and the car feels REALLY odd, like it drives itself.
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Thanks for this - I'll try those settings out.
Andy M
I recall that Tidgney has a driving school series, and one of the videos discusses cornering.
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I've watched his video(s), and I learned a lot, but not enough, apparently.
NevilleNobody
The T1/2 complex at Catalunya is harder than it looks. Apexing well and getting on the gas early are not your only considerations. The long, long right hander of T3 is looming, to carry as much speed as possible through there and to get on the gas as early as possible through there, you need to approach from the left.

Working backwards, this means you need to hug the right kerb into T1 so your angle through two points you to the left. If your angle through 2 points you mid road or worse, to the right, you are seriously compromising T3.
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Yeah, I'm learning that. One car I've tried is the 650s, and the thing I really like about it is I can lift off the gas and it slows quicker than the 911, which makes it much easier to get T3's speed dialed in. Unfortunately I can't figure out how to drive T14 with it - I lose time there constantly.
Leon Kowalski
And it made me enjoy the certitude that all my mistakes are made exclusively by myself. 😆
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NOOOOOO! I don't want personal responsibility - I want to blame something else! Sheesh, these people who think you should own your mistakes, well, I just don't know. 😂
 
KosmoKazi
It is interesting to race the AI. I purposely put the AI drivers in positions to see how they responded, and there is a much more human-like behavior. They will risk contact to make a pass, for one thing.
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I'll have to try that too and see what they do. Not full on punting of course, just some door banging at various points on the track. I did have the green car get off the racing line and let me pass by in Alsace, so that was cool.
 
Be careful with the McLaren, it always feels great then the stop watch says NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sir.

If you're learning no TC and mild countersteer, try the RS01, it is ROCK SOLID but lacking power.
 
Silly question, what exactly did they nerf in BoP for the Gr3 GT-R?

I tested for any new changes just now and it felt better at low-end acceleration, more planted even!

So much so that in less than 10 minutes, I shaved 3 tenths off my qualy time for Barcelona and did a 1:40 flat..



Was going another 0.4 faster next lap but binned it on the entry to the straight at the end of the lap 🤣
 
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TechnoIsLove
Silly question, what exactly did they nerf in BoP for the Gr3 GT-R?

I tested for any new changes just now and it felt better at low-end acceleration, more planted even!

So much so that in less than 10 minutes, I shaved 3 tenths off my qualy time for Barcelona and did a 1:40 flat..



Was going another 0.4 faster next lap but binned it on the entry to the straight at the end of the lap 🤣
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I won't take the bait this time. I'm only testing MR cars this week.😇
 
TechnoIsLove
Silly question, what exactly did they nerf in BoP for the Gr3 GT-R?

I tested for any new changes just now and it felt better at low-end acceleration, more planted even!

So much so that in less than 10 minutes, I shaved 3 tenths off my qualy time for Barcelona and did a 1:40 flat..



Was going another 0.4 faster next lap but binned it on the entry to the straight at the end of the lap 🤣
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I wonder if the cut in power has helped cure it's biggest issue which is a squirrely rear end on exit?
 
I think it's another week of sitting out for me. Between being sick AF and also strongly disliking Spain and the reversed LM layout I think I might just chill and see what shenanigans I can get up to. Grand Valley is super fun though. It's obvs not identical to what I grew up with but the circuit is a relatively faithful reinterpretation and I'm ok with that.

Hopefully next weeks are more interesting. Excited to see how the GR.4 BOP changes impact things.
 
NevilleNobody
Be careful with the McLaren, it always feels great then the stop watch says NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sir.
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That hasn't been my experience, but remember that I'm still struggling with this track. But I've come close to my current QT in the McLaren, even though I'm driving like crap right now.
hollowkatt
I think it's another week of sitting out for me. Between being sick AF and also strongly disliking Spain
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Sorry you're sick - hope you feel better soon! Spain has me feeling sick too. I'm not sure I'll ever get the hang of this track. But fortunately, just running Q laps doesn't affect my DR.
 
So interesting experiment. Just finished the Grand Valley circuit experience and to get gold I found I needed ASM off, TC0 and counter steer STRONG. Now, the car still feels really weird, specifically on exit where you expect it to "swing around" but it'll plow forward. However, the GTR is VERY twitchy and this was the only way I could turn the times needed because TC1 was horrendously intrusive.
 
GrumpyOldMan
That hasn't been my experience, but remember that I'm still struggling with this track. But I've come close to my current QT in the McLaren, even though I'm driving like crap right now.

Sorry you're sick - hope you feel better soon! Spain has me feeling sick too. I'm not sure I'll ever get the hang of this track. But fortunately, just running Q laps doesn't affect my DR.
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got diagnosed on sunday with a combination upper respiratory infection and sinus infection. I feel like I've been pile driven into the wall but without a car, just my body.
I enjoy the first two sectors of Spain but the third sector is complete garbage. gl and have fun!
 
TechnoIsLove
Once your PS5 is delivered, you and I need to have some private races just for fun and educational purposes 😂
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Absolutely! I'm looking forward to seeing your car's exhaust all the time...





Ooopsie. That wasn't on purpose:

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:D
 
Well, with a lot of studying of recordings, perseverance, and swearing (because I can't freakin' accomplish anything without swearing), I've managed to drop my Q time for Daily Race B down a half second, to 1:40.761.

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And guess what? I did it with assists still on. Don't get me wrong, I tried all sorts of assist settings, and I realize I didn't spend nearly enough time on them to really learn how to drive without them, but it just seemed I was focusing too much attention on the lack of assists, instead of finding right lines and the right speed, braking in the right spots - you know, driving.

I still don't have the lines and speeds down right, but they're better. I found a few places that were definitely off, what I would call "low hanging fruit" - things relatively easy to pick off the tree and eat. Er, improve. Dang metaphors.

And I'm pretty sure I need to lower my time even more before I'm competitive online, but time will tell. Get it? See what I did there? "lower my time" and "time will tell"? Never mind... if I have to explain it, it wasn't funny.

hollowkatt
got diagnosed on sunday with a combination upper respiratory infection and sinus infection. I feel like I've been pile driven into the wall but without a car, just my body.
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Well, that sucks. I guess I could say it blows, but you probably can't take a deep enough breath for it to blow. (What is it with me today?)
hollowkatt
I enjoy the first two sectors of Spain but the third sector is complete garbage. gl and have fun!
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I still have trouble in the third section (well, all the sections really), but it's starting to make more sense.

Anyway, get well soon.
 
GrumpyOldMan
Well, with a lot of studying of recordings, perseverance, and swearing (because I can't freakin' accomplish anything without swearing), I've managed to drop my Q time for Daily Race B down a half second, to 1:40.761.

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And guess what? I did it with assists still on. Don't get me wrong, I tried all sorts of assist settings, and I realize I didn't spend nearly enough time on them to really learn how to drive without them, but it just seemed I was focusing too much attention on the lack of assists, instead of finding right lines and the right speed, braking in the right spots - you know, driving.

I still don't have the lines and speeds down right, but they're better. I found a few places that were definitely off, what I would call "low hanging fruit" - things relatively easy to pick off the tree and eat. Er, improve. Dang metaphors.

And I'm pretty sure I need to lower my time even more before I'm competitive online, but time will tell. Get it? See what I did there? "lower my time" and "time will tell"? Never mind... if I have to explain it, it wasn't funny.


Well, that sucks. I guess I could say it blows, but you probably can't take a deep enough breath for it to blow. (What is it with me today?)

I still have trouble in the third section (well, all the sections really), but it's starting to make more sense.

Anyway, get well soon.
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the good news is the chest part is basically done and it's all drifted up into my head. the bad news is that makes racing even harder lol!
imagine trying to barrel full speed into Grand Valley T1 with a head as fuzzy as the dice a 70s trucker had.

Kick butt times, keep up the good work!
 
Great stuff on the forums today! After yesterday's debacle I stepped back in the cockpit for a Race B run last night. Started in the pole and was doing great until the hairpin. Oversteer slide. Finished 2nd. Still happy since the rest of the day was garbage.

Did 2 races today. Started in 2nd and quickly made it to the lead in lap one (I'm good at first sector). Got a penalty on the hairpin because I understeered trying to avoid spin. Managed to still stay in first next lap after serving penalty but then minor spin at hairpin again. Lost lead. Finished second.

Last B race for me today. Started pole and finished second. No spin on hairpin just got out-drove by a really good driver. Managed to match my race best of 9:55:xxx which I am happy with.

So last 3 races got all 2nd place. Would have loved a victory but I'm happy with that. Plus... I figured out why I keep spinning: too LIGHT on throttle lol. I slow down TOO much and there isn't enough movement on front tires to pull me through the corner. It just spins sideways. So I am now switching back to second gear and then putting light throttle on.

Picked audi for manufacturers cup so will try that tonight.
 
GrumpyOldMan
Well, with a lot of studying of recordings, perseverance, and swearing (because I can't freakin' accomplish anything without swearing), I've managed to drop my Q time for Daily Race B down a half second, to 1:40.761.

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And guess what? I did it with assists still on. Don't get me wrong, I tried all sorts of assist settings, and I realize I didn't spend nearly enough time on them to really learn how to drive without them, but it just seemed I was focusing too much attention on the lack of assists, instead of finding right lines and the right speed, braking in the right spots - you know, driving.

I still don't have the lines and speeds down right, but they're better. I found a few places that were definitely off, what I would call "low hanging fruit" - things relatively easy to pick off the tree and eat. Er, improve. Dang metaphors.

And I'm pretty sure I need to lower my time even more before I'm competitive online, but time will tell. Get it? See what I did there? "lower my time" and "time will tell"? Never mind... if I have to explain it, it wasn't funny.


Well, that sucks. I guess I could say it blows, but you probably can't take a deep enough breath for it to blow. (What is it with me today?)

I still have trouble in the third section (well, all the sections really), but it's starting to make more sense.

Anyway, get well soon.
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As far the the number of jokes you are telling, you are prime.



(erm don't know for sure I didn't count).
 
NevilleNobody
The cars I can use without TC, using the X button so light switch, are the following in Group 3;

RSR
McLaren
Lancer
Z4
Supra
Beetle
RS01
NSX
Audi
Lambo
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You have a very forgiving X button! Do you have a regular controller or is it ”dampened” in some way?

If I try this, all I get is massive spin-up followed by exit stage left/right.
 

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