GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[TheNormsk]

After some QT sessions I'm not really feeling this weeks races. After enjoying and being somewhat inflated by Trial Mountain last week, this week seems the opposite.

Sardegna I remember from some months back as being a train wreck of a race and my QT is only 1:27.863 (Lancer) at the moment. Not great when before it in the 1:25s (but physics has changed since). Anyway, not feeling the flow and don't want to be taken out by others, or me take them out through sloppy driving.

Grand Valley, I used to like but my current QT is 1:49.055 (R.S.01), which I think is probably a 1 second or so off the pace for my class.

I just don't know. I might just skip this week.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Moments like these got me fuming. I always sit in silence with an emotionless look on my face for a minute after races like these.

The word "Emotionless" and me hardly ever collide in the same sentence.

I overtake him again and he proceeds to ram me THREE times in the first corner after I passed him!! I'm in the gravel and he drives by and I finish in P14 💩🤐

Just curious - did you check out the replay to see if you inadvertently (or advertently) did something to him first?

I'm sure a ran the WRX here last time it's slow now, may have been on mediums.

The settings for the cars have changed a lot since then. You can't compare times like that and expect a fair comparison.

 

[TechnoIsLove]

The word "Emotionless" and me hardly ever collide in the same sentence.

Just curious - did you check out the replay to see if you inadvertently (or advertently) did something to him first?

The settings for the cars have changed a lot since then. You can't compare times like that and expect a fair comparison.

I did and nope, he actually started in P11 and was in P8 by push-pass/ swiping those ahead of him. And he then ended up at the back when we met again because he was shoved into the gravel by one of his victims.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

I did and nope, he actually started in P11 and was in P8 by push-pass/ swiping those ahead of him. And he then ended up at the back when we met again because he was shoved into the gravel by one of his victims.

What a jerk. Fortunately not everyone is like that, although sometimes all it takes is one guy. Hey, everyone - "don't be that guy"! LOL.

 

[suponji84]

Daily Race A is very enjoyable this week! The car is excellent to drive, and it fits the track perfectly.

 

[MrHatss]

Here I'm after the classic monday with the new B race in Sardegna....Highs and Lows:

• got a pretty decent QT time for me, 1:29:3xx with the Huracan after a brief session, I also tried the 458Italia and the McLaren, I think the McLaren has the larger chance with my driving style of improve my time, I'll try again tomorrow, with this time I start 3-4th in D lobby
• got smashed and crashed 3 time on 4 races, as already said by other users it's so easy being dumped on the sand, and it's a pity...I was a high D ready to move back to C where I was a couple of weeks ago and now...I'm again a low D, it's a pain, but I was expecting that with the transition from controller to wheel, I need to set better QT to escape the chaos

What car do you prefer to race?
The McLaren seems really good to handle the slow corners, it just turns smoothly

Have a nice evening guys

 

[RacingGrandpa]

If there's a guy named Lex in game here, that ran a Ford GT in C right now in US:
I am sorry.
I did exactly what you did to me, but I shouldn't have. I was having a bad race and I probably overreacted.
I started P4 but was slammed to p14 by a guy rejoining and running off again so when you just pushed me wide into the barrier on the bridge I returned the favour.
Sorry about that

 

[Nebuc72]

Didn't like the look of it last week but really enjoying Race B in reality. Track flows really well in Gr.4 cars and it's been fun to see what cars work and what don't.
I've had good luck with the 155 and Lancer but my stand out is the V8 Vantage, which I've put in a 25.7 with so far (hopefully with lower to come), and I have also pulled off some (top split!) wins in.

 

[Monkey Man]

I'm sure it would've been covered somewhere in the 720 pages so far, but...

What exactly are the penalties for quitting a race?
Also, how about cancelling an entry before a race begins?

I'm guessing that the game places you in last place if you're the first to quit, but I heard a youtuber (Mihael Matika IIRC) say something about receiving a DR reset. Could he have meant SR, being that quitting is bad sportsmanship?

IOW, I'm guessing DR points loss for quitting and possibly an SR hit too?

 

[TheWeapon874]

Managed 2 hours of qualifying for daily B tonight, usually try and race by Wednesday.
NSX seems to work the best for me with a time of 1.26.363 so far.
I was able to run the 650 and the 458 in the mid to high 26s but just don’t get on with the Supra.
I'm sure a ran the WRX here last time it's slow now, may have been on mediums.

Nice one! I tried the Supra today, and in the few laps I was able to match my McLaren time (1.25.7), but it's a little more lively and fun to drive. There was a good mix of cars in the races I ran too, there was a wrx, a silvia and a veyron near the top

 

[TheNormsk]

I ended up doing two Race C tonight and it appears my QT is competitive in mix A/B lobbies. Guess I have to expect more DR A drivers in my races now I'm in the top 1/2 of DR B...

Race 1

Q6. I decided to go 3 laps RH with 7 laps RM with the R.S.01. The R.S.01 drives on the RH really well. That was good as I was up to P4 end of lap 2 when P2 and P3 came in and I had a clear track ahead (P2 for a bit but a faster Supra then passed me). After I came out the pits I was still P7. However on lap 5 I put my wheels in the dirt at turn 10 and lost two spots down to P9. On lap 6, another Supra out dragged me up the finish straight getting ahead just before the turn. We braked at different points and I punted him off track. I did the gentlemanly thing and pulled over and waited for him to rejoin and let him in front of me again. Karma shined on me as I was much quicker in the turns and ended up passing him again then on the uphill straight where the Supra is traditionally faster than the R.S.01 he decided to bump draft me up the hill to go quicker! In the end I finished 10th, apologized to the Supra for the punt who exclaimed that was some clean driving and thanked me back.

Sometimes racing incidents can occur and we don't need to get nasty over them.

Race 2

Q7. After seeing others pit end of lap 2 last race I tried that. Bad move. Instead of having clean track to pull ahead, when I came out I was in P15 stuck in back markers. This pack was a lot less clean and composed than the top 8 spots I'd been racing in. On lap 4 I'd moved up to P12 and had the run to pass another back marker that was holding me up a lot. We were side by side but I was in front entering the tunnel and I expected them to back out, but they did not. Then this happened.


The contact threw me off and I lost in in the right hander coming out and spun out. The killer was that this car immediately pitted after this. So they were fighting for position when about to pit . That car ended up coming in last so perhaps less experienced.. That dropped me to P13 but because of pit changes I ended up in P10, like the prior race.

While both races were not top 8, the fact there were split lobbies mean that neither race lost, nor gained points. I think I can be competitive in race C. I would go back to a 3RH/7RM tire strategy though. Also like Trial Mountain, the R.S.01 is faster than a lot of cars and more composed in the twists but loses it on the long straights. Most of the top 6 were driving the 911RSR. Perhaps I need to switch to that. My QT time on the 911 is almost the same as the R.S.01.

I probably won't race tomorrow (other plans) and not on Wednesday as that is my birthday. I'm hoping to get some sim rig upgrades so might be playing with those. Fingers crossed!

I'll come back to race C later in the week. After trying Sardegna I'm avoiding that one.

I'm sure it would've been covered somewhere in the 720 pages so far, but...

What exactly are the penalties for quitting a race?
Also, how about cancelling an entry before a race begins?

I'm guessing that the game places you in last place if you're the first to quit, but I heard a youtuber (Mihael Matika IIRC) say something about receiving a DR reset. Could he have meant SR, being that quitting is bad sportsmanship?

IOW, I'm guessing DR points loss for quitting and possibly an SR hit too?

Quiting a race will give you a DNF. If you are the first person to do this you will be placed 16th for a maximum point loss. If others have quit before you it is adjusted to P15, P14 etc. You also take a hit on your SR. The comment about DR reset if that if your SR falls below you DR then I believe you DR can be pulled down to the lower level though I am not sure the exact specifics on how that works. Others will chime in on that.

If you quit before a race starts once in a lobby then it is the same as quitting in race for maximum point loss.

 

[Monkey Man]

A-ha!

Sounds like my guesses were spot-on the; thanks mate.

We'll see what's said about the SR thing...

 

[Dep Fishtail]

I'm sure it would've been covered somewhere in the 720 pages so far, but...

What exactly are the penalties for quitting a race?
Also, how about cancelling an entry before a race begins?

I'm guessing that the game places you in last place if you're the first to quit, but I heard a youtuber (Mihael Matika IIRC) say something about receiving a DR reset. Could he have meant SR, being that quitting is bad sportsmanship?

IOW, I'm guessing DR points loss for quitting and possibly an SR hit too?

If you cancel entry before the timer quits it’s fine. Once you’re in the race, if you quit, you take a last place which is a DR hit and SR hit for quitting.
It’s the beginning of a downward spiral.


I did some B race qualifying and of course tried the trusty RCZ for my benchmark. After just a few laps I was at 1:26.5 so I decided to take a race in and see how it goes. This is only my second time putting up a sub 1k ranking on a Monday night.
I just can’t get away from using the RCZ’s because I quickly set decent times every time I give them a try.

Stated p9 and had lots of close racing and a few overtakes. Was up to p6 on lap 5 and went a little too deep into t1 with two cars on my tail. A small nudge by one of them was just enough to put me on the edge of the gravel and I fell all the way to p15 🙁. Made up one more spot on the final lap for a P14 finish due to my poor execution on lap 5 t1.
Overall I’d race the RCZ some more if I don’t see the improvements I’d like in something else because it’s super easy to change lines and not give up too much speed in traffic due to being FF.

Overall it was a good race but I went back to trying to qualify a little better in different cars.

Supra I got down to 1:26.9 but it was a sketchy beast to keep under control.

650s was super smooth and forgiving but I only managed a 1:26.6 but really closely matched lap times almost all sub 1:27.

Lastly tried the vantage but didn’t really have time for more than a few laps. Managed a 1:26.9 in the few laps and may go back to try it again tomorrow.

Yet to try the 458 but I’d imagine it probably handles the course well too.

Love the variety of competitive car options again this week.

 

[Monkey Man]

If you cancel entry before the timer quits it’s fine.

You mean the countdown clock whilst we're sitting in the lobby with the grid lineup on the right of the screen?

So what you're saying is that until the field is depicted warming up its tyres you're good-to-quit?

Sorry to harp on this mate; I appreciate the feedback. I figure, by what you're saying, one can get a look at the qualifying speed of the grid and make a decision as to whether or not to pass up on the race.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

You mean the countdown clock whilst we're sitting in the lobby with the grid lineup on the right of the screen?

So what you're saying is that until the field is depicted warming up its tyres you're good-to-quit?

Sorry to harp on this mate; I appreciate the feedback. I figure, by what you're saying, one can get a look at the qualifying speed of the grid and make a decision as to whether or not to pass up on the race.

Once you're in a lobby - in other words once you see the grid showing the other cars, quitting will penalize you. It doesn't matter if the actual race has started or not.

Your DR will get docked at least as much as it would if you finished last place. It's possible it's worse than that, I'm not sure. I believe your SR gets docked also, but since SR doesn't show a progress bar, I can't be sure on that.

But remember: You won't see your DR/SR affected until the race ends, even if you leave the race. So you might think "Oh, my DR/SR didn't change, so I must be OK". You check a little while later and see that it has changed, and think there's something wrong with the game. But nope, nothing's wrong. It just didn't update until the race ended.

How much does your DR change? It's calculated based on the other guys in the race, and that's a subject for another post. It's been discussed ad nauseum, so you'll need to search this thread for that. I recommend searching for posts from user "Famine", as he describes it well.

I don't have stats for quitting a race before it starts, except for just a few days ago. I'm DR B, and it put me P14 in a group of almost all A/A+ drivers, and I was fed up and quit while still in the lobby. It cost me around 1.25 percentage points.

Other than that, the amount I got penalized from DNFing range from 3% to 11.5%.

 

[OJBrit]

Once you're in a lobby - in other words once you see the grid showing the other cars, quitting will penalize you. It doesn't matter if the actual race has started or not.

If that's the case then that's a change since sport. In sport you could quit penalty free before the race started. If you can't now then you have to commit I guess.

The comment about DR reset if that if your SR falls below you DR then I believe you DR can be pulled down to the lower level though I am not sure the exact specifics on how that works.

Your DR can only be 2 levels above your SR. If your SR falls beneath that then your DR will be reduced to compensate. So if you are DR A and your SR falls to C then you will loose enough DR to place you into DR C.

 

[PMK]

Tried Race C for the first time today. One hell of a race. And i mean that in a bad way. It was hell. Put down a fantastic lap in qualifying which put me in 3rd at the start. Dropped down to 7th by the end of the lap because of punting and drivers literally forcing me into the wall. Started om mids but most drivers started on hards and pitted immidiately so i was able to catch up on a lot of lost time (or so i thought). I did not realize the McLaren is probably the worst car i've ever driven on this track. This thing on worn mediums turns in worse than a Dodge Demon does at 200 mph. Combine that with the fact that GV just sucks as a track and ta-da! Finished in dead last. At the end of the day, the dirty drivers annoyed me the most. Just dunno what goes through their minds


Did enjoy race b so will probably just do that for the whole week.

 

[D_Dragline]

Another vote for race A this week from me. Did 2 of them last night and they were a blast. The WRX is really well matched to the track and 5 laps is a good length. In race 1, starting from near the back, a couple of trolls couldn’t manage to destroy the race because the car is slow enough and stable enough to allow you to absorb contact. In race 2 I ran pole to flag, but with p2 never more than 1 second behind.

I drive a Subi as my daily commuter so I might be biased, but driving this combo brings a huge smile to my face.

 

[Steer]

Well, I ran 3 race A's and they were an absolute horrible crash fest from beginning to end. I was hit 4 or 5 times from behind on the opening lap alone, went from pole to nearly last. No fun or skill.

I will swap over to race C I think. I am less competitive, but at least its more likely to be a fair race.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

If that's the case then that's a change since sport. In sport you could quit penalty free before the race started. If you can't now then you have to commit I guess.

There's a reason you get a confirmation dialog saying you could impact your rating if you quit now.

 

[Kriptical]

There's a reason you get a confirmation dialog saying you could impact your rating if you quit now.

The quit penalty kinda makes sense. Id imagine it would take forever waiting in the lobby, if we had to wait for a bunch of people to quit, and the game to refill the slots.

 

[Tuono_GT]

Well, I ran 3 race A's and they were an absolute horrible crash fest from beginning to end. I was hit 4 or 5 times from behind on the opening lap alone, went from pole to nearly last. No fun or skill.

I will swap over to race C I think. I am less competitive, but at least its more likely to be a fair race.

Race B and C are no better. GT7 has descended into a demolition derby crash fest and how the hell people can hang onto their SR rating of 'S' is quite beyond comprehension. Just been demoted to DR C, from B, due to a huge catalogue of very bad results and/or just parking up in the pits. Seriously, all races yesterday and today have been nothing short of a bloody disaster. Smashed and bashed to the point where, in my opinion, there is absolutely no point in continuing. Last race, a short time ago saw me demoted from DR B to DR C and it was just as bad as all the others. From 4th on the grid... to 2nd place... to last in 2 laps!

I am sick to death of this crap. And because of my SR S rating, I am unwilling to retaliate.., but that may change.

 

[sturk0167]

I'm sure it would've been covered somewhere in the 720 pages so far, but...

What exactly are the penalties for quitting a race?
Also, how about cancelling an entry before a race begins?

I'm guessing that the game places you in last place if you're the first to quit, but I heard a youtuber (Mihael Matika IIRC) say something about receiving a DR reset. Could he have meant SR, being that quitting is bad sportsmanship?

IOW, I'm guessing DR points loss for quitting and possibly an SR hit too?

From what I can tell, the point rankings are the same as they were in GT Sport.
There were a couple of websites, most notably Kudosprime, that would give you instant point ratings. You could check after every race, to see exactly how much you went up or down. From that info, we figured out just how the rating system worked.

The website developers were able to datamine the info for each user name instantly, from PD/Sony. For GT7, the company has apparently made it very difficult to get that player info.

For you, and anyone else who wasn't around for GT Sport racing, here's how the DR/SR points worked:

SR
S: 100-80 points
A: 79-65
B: 64-40
C: 39-20
D: 19-10
E: 9-0

DR
A+: 100,000-50,000
A: 49,000-30,000
B: 29,999-10,000
C: 9,999- 5,000
D: 4,999- 0

In GT Sport, quitting a race cost you 5 SR points, and for DR, you were considered last place amongst those who were still running.
Knocking another car off the track would have varying point penalties. Sometimes, it would be 4 or 5 points. Sometimes it could be about 10. The lower your SR rank, the more points you could be awarded for a clean race. I once went from SR D to SR A in a single race. There was some sort of points accelerator when you were low-ranked.

Like I said, until we have evidence to suggest otherwise, I think we can assume that GT7 is using these same points structures.

 

[PMK]

On another note, i got featured in a roflwaffle video ( for 2 seconds mind you) , one of my favorite GT Youtubers who makes documentaries about the franchise.

 

[newmedia_dev]

On another note, i got featured in a roflwaffle video ( for 2 seconds mind you) , one of my favorite GT Youtubers who makes documentaries about the franchise.

I do love his content but I sometimes have a love hate view of "some" of his opinions. They blur the line between fact and the way he thinks some things should be.

But I like and subscribe

Trying to make hay in my lower lobbies in B at the moment while I still have a sub 1k time. It won't last but it helps the stats a bit when you can consistently start at the sharper end of things.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

There were a couple of websites, most notably Kudosprime, that would give you instant point ratings. You could check after every race, to see exactly how much you went up or down. From that info, we figured out just how the rating system worked.

You mean something like this?

(I'm working on this graph right now, so it's not perfect, but it shows the concept). And yes, I know this isn't the same as if we could data-mine the actual values from the game, but it works.

See the links in my signature.

 

[Cabelmania]

I thought I was gonna get a easy Victory n. 40 with the Impreza

Then I remember that @Tidgney was in the race, starting behind, obviously

Took second place at lap 3

It was coming really fast to get me

And I was like "RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN !"



This video includes another bonus clip from a race of the day before: me vs another former GTWS finalist, Mr. K. "McLaren" Konstantinou

 

[hardvibes]

Anybody else feeling this week's Race B on Sardegna weird?

I never had this kind of problem in the past: even after a lot of training, I end up being almost 2 seconds slower than by best lap if I don't take the corners exactly as I did before. I mean a slight change in cornering will mess up my entire lap time. As a result everybody overtakes me and seems to be a lot faster than me (my R2/L2 are fine, oil/engine are fine). I'm using the visual clues suggested by Tidgney and the 458.
I think this week my DR will go down to B after a very long time in A.
I don't know maybe because it's a completely new layout I never used before (I might have missed it when it showed up) . The flow is still weird IMO.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Anybody else feeling this week's Race B on Sardegna weird?

I never had this kind of problem in the past: even after a lot of training, I end up being almost 2 seconds slower than by best lap if I don't take the corners exactly as I did before. I mean a slight change in cornering will mess up my entire lap time. As a result everybody overtakes me and seems to be a lot faster than me (my R2/L2 are fine, oil/engine are fine). I'm using the visual clues suggested by Tidgney and the 458.
I think this week my DR will go down to B after a very long time in A.
I don't know maybe because it's a completely new layout we never used before. The flow is still weird IMO.

It's not a new layout and the WRX was op last time.

It's a seriously technical track that invites late braking but reward better short shifting exits.

Edit:

The track is a flowing track. There are times when lifting and coasting really pay dividends.

I think a lot of people look at this track and attack the corners. Maybe in the race that could be a good strategy. But in QT and if you want to be out front braking earlier and accelerating smoothly is the way to go and it makes the difference.

I'm guessing your loosing time because you aren't focusing on the exits and if you are you are braking way to deep and bleeding speed.

 

[cyirush]

Unlike some on here, I found the Subaru undriveable in A (no grip, spins if you trail brake, but maybe it’s my lack of talent).

Love Sardegna except this layout.

So been doing Grand Valley which I like.

Last race started from 10th (can’t get my quali time below 1:49!). But did the undercut, pitted on lap 1 for mediums, and came 4th (gained a few positions b/c of the carnage, most tho’ from others’ pit stops).

Has anyone tried this? Tires only 1/2 gone in the RSR.

Also any tips on how to avoid dive bombs on the downhill hairpin, especially on lap 1? Go defensive to the right?