GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[GrumpyOldMan]

Well, thanks for everyone being honest. I accept the criticisms many of you have offered, and plead "temporary loss of sanity". Or if you prefer, to answer the question AITA, yes, I am.

I'll just end with this then I'm done: Most of you are incorrect in your assumptions about my priorities or motivations. And I'd like to remind some of you that looking at a video knowing something is going to happen is a far cry from experiencing it in real life.

PS: Regarding his hazards being on, I couldn't tell when I was behind him. They just look like brake lights.

-finis-

 

[ILLEAGLE_34]

Watching it again at .25 speed.

The engine damage happens when he was rear ended by the red Ferrari.

The whole back end got damage.

I must be colorblind because all I see is a black screen saying video is not available. 🍻

 

[TheNormsk]

Nearly every race at Suzuka this week is entertaining...

If I had one wish, it would be that people would keep their cool through sector 1 of the first lap. To be honest, it's a really good piece of racetrack to learn race craft.

Ok, turn 1 & 2 are almost fair game, but with the rolling start and everyone having different braking points, attempting a pass on lap 1 is a bit silly. The esses will always have people going off line as they make slight mistakes and all are reacting to each other in a train but overtaking here? Nah. Not a good idea.

I've lost as many places as I've gained over the course of the week through that section of the circuit, with my net gains probably at zero so I can't complain too much, and additionally the carnage always provides sufficient reason to save and share the replay for my enjoyment at a later date!

The last couple days the races I was in everyone was cool with turns 1 & 2. It was like they all figured out that you can’t win a race there but you can definitely lose a race there.

 

[ILLEAGLE_34]

Well, thanks for everyone being honest. I accept the criticisms many of you have offered

I'll just end with this then I'm done: Most of you are incorrect in your assumptions about my priorities or motivations

So which one is it? In this case’s
both things cannot be true.
I don’t have an accurate opinion of what happened)deleted video) but usually if you’re the only one in the room that thinks everyone else is wrong. That’s usually a good indication that you’re the smartest person in the room or that it’s time to reflect🤔
Not trying to pile on the criticism, everyone makes mistakes but it’s how you learn and own up to them.

 

[BigSarj]

Similar thing happened to me at Watkins Glen a few weeks back. One guy slightly nudged another down the straight because he didn't see him but then quickly moved aside when he felt contact. The other guy retaliated and caused a massive pileup before the chicane. I wasn't even that angry; it was a proper NASCAR style pileup. But I would have died IRL because I t-boned a car at full speed.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Recent discussions have really made me think about what you monitor (KPIs/Metrics) can influence both behaviour and actually achieving what you want.

Not just here on in racing but in the real world and businesses.

Some examples of this type of psychology in action

"Developers being measured by number of tickets done tied to their performance"

Desired outcome: developers are more productive, less bugs & more features.

Actual outcome: developers cherry pick the smaller easier tickets because they can get more of them done thus meeting the metric but not really improving the code or product.

"The Indian government offered money for all snakes killed to reduce snake numbers"

Desired outcome: less snakes, safer population

Actual outcome: people began breeding snakes for the money so more snakes were killed but snake numbers didn't fall.

These are just a few examples but I can see in my own motivations sometimes I focus too much on things that don't actually help me get better at GT (and real life)

I used to watch my DR/SR very closely and constantly think about it when racing doing the mental math to maximise or minimise an individual race would have on it.

It played its part in the odd dive bomb on my part but where it had the biggest impact for me was consistency. I would over drive leading to a lot more self inflicted suicides mostly notably trying to hard from pole and then subsequently binning it. The other place was pushing to hard to gain a single place late on in races when I was in what could have been considered something like a comfortable 2/3/4/5/6/7 etc

So I changed what I focus on now and that is

- clean race number as a percentage of my total races

- top 5 finishes

And I can only speak to my personal experience but the impact has been a much more higher and stable SR rating.

My DR rating (ebbs and flows) but it is averaging higher week on week and is staying more stable higher than it was without the massive swings I was having.

And lastly it's taken some off the self inflicted pressure I put on myself allowing me to enjoy racing more, work on technique and just a lot less stress for a given session.

Basically it sent me down a rabbit hole of what creates high performing consistent behaviour and results (this applies for some stuff at work for me as well)

Anyways just some ramblings.

Edit: Spelling

 

[mellofello9]

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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ah. Click the speaker button. It doesn't sound anything like apple.

Since deleted but saw it earlier and wanted to respond to express some empathy as I've been in this exact same spot. And this is precisely when I realized I had a Dr problem. To me, and in that moment, it seemed I was going against the very reason for games to exist, enjoyment. I had two choices:

• Quit playing the game entirely - why would one continue to willfully pick-up something that is going to incite rage
• Adjust my sails - time to go back to that moment when you first dropped the game in your PS1 and re-capture that slice of joy

Given the username, I'll assume that dropping a disc in a flip-top console is how that played-out...it's viable, at least. And, if not obvious, I went with the latter. 😁

At the end of the day, it's your game to enjoy and in any way that you like. BUT, and fwiw, the game's a helluva lot more enjoyable when you live in the moment and race like Dr/position doesn't matter.

 

[sturk0167]

Next weeks race venues:
A: Alsace Village
B: Fuji (short)
C: Sardegna Road Track C (reverse)

 

[TheNormsk]

I used to watch my DR/SR very closely and constantly think about it when racing doing the mental math to maximise or minimise an individual race would have on it.

It played its part in the odd dive bomb on my part but where it had the biggest impact for me was consistency. I would over drive leading to a lot more self inflicted suicides mostly notably trying to hard from pole and then subsequently binning it. The other place was pushing to hard to gain a single place late on in races when I was in what could have been considered something like a comfortable 2/3/4/5/6/7 etc

So I changed what I focus on now and that is

- clean race number as a percentage of my total races

- top 5 finishes

And I can only speak to my personal experience but the impact has been a much more higher and stable SR rating.

My DR rating (ebbs and flows) but it is averaging higher week on week and is staying more stable higher than it was without the massive swings I was having.

I echo some of this. While I do closely follow my DR/SR I realized that my performance will ebb and flow and that clean driving is ultimately the driving factor in results. When I am in rougher races, invariably my driving will be worst and I will often end up in tail end positions hitting my DR and SR. Conversely if my driving is poor/overly aggressive then other drivers are also more likely to be less forgiving of your transgressions and more likely to take you out as well. This leads to declining SR and that leads to poorer lobbies and it can quickly become a death spiral as what happened a couple weeks back.

That death spiral led to a complete focus of not caring about DR and focusing only on SR even if it mean driving around at the back and coming in last. As SR climbed back up I got into better and better lobbies to where this week, I have had some stunningly clean and well behaved races and I believe I am now being matched with similar racers who have all maxed out there SR rating and who seem to focus on the race craft over just barging you out the way for position.

As to DR focus, while that is in my mind, to me it is now more of a reward metric of "look how well I've done!" as to dictating my driving style. Races are focused on the war and not the battle so to speak. I do not have many race wins but I always try to gain a top 8 spot in regular lobbies and top 10 spot in split lobbies. If I can achieve than then I know I am holding my own and I can drive a race at this level of DR/SR matching. Anything higher is incremental improvement.

For results, when nearing the top I will push to be top 5 but once there I am happy to maintain position for save driving unless there is an obvious opportunity to pass.

Currently this seems to be working for me.

 

[icycls]

The last couple days the races I was in everyone was cool with turns 1 & 2. It was like they all figured out that you can’t win a race there but you can definitely lose a race there.

I've enjoyed a brief time in mid-A, the last weeks haven't been kind and I'm heading back to that AB boundary. But one thing I really liked about these races, all the lobby regulars proceed very orderly through turn one on every track. It is a joy when you get through and then the race really begins.

 

[mellofello9]

Next weeks race venues:
A: Alsace Village
B: Fuji (short)
C: Sardegna Road Track C (reverse)

I was over in 'Sport off-and-on for Sardegna last month. It's one of my favorite tracks and can't wait to race it in '7!! Not a fan of Fuji in any form (last sector KILLS me) and I don't typically bother with the A races. Need to fix that as FOMO sets-in around some good racing in the Jag this week. Alsace is a fun track, at least, so we'll see what hardware they stick us with.

Speaking of hardware, I do wonder what cars we'll be getting on B and C. Would be hilariously aggravating if they gave us Gr. 3 on B and 4 on C. 🤣

 

[TheNormsk]

Speaking of hardware, I do wonder what cars we'll be getting on B and C. Would be hilariously aggravating if they gave us Gr. 3 on B and 4 on C. 🤣

My guess would be Gr.3 for C and G.4 for B. PD is not very imaginative these days and appear to mostly rotate gr.3 and 4 between B and C, is I figure the opposite of this week.

Not sure any of this appeals to me next week which might be for the best as I should focus on other things anyway..

 

[newmedia_dev]

I was over in 'Sport off-and-on for Sardegna last month. It's one of my favorite tracks and can't wait to race it in '7!! Not a fan of Fuji in any form (last sector KILLS me) and I don't typically bother with the A races. Need to fix that as FOMO sets-in around some good racing in the Jag this week. Alsace is a fun track, at least, so we'll see what hardware they stick us with.

Speaking of hardware, I do wonder what cars we'll be getting on B and C. Would be hilariously aggravating if they gave us Gr. 3 on B and 4 on C. 🤣

The Sardgena C reverse layout is only 1.65m long.

I just tried a quick arcade race in a GR3 car and it's a 50 second lap. I'm not sure GR3 would work unless it's 15+ laps for the C time slot.

I'm guessing it's a a road car or Gr4 could work if it was only 10 laps ish

Will be interesting to see what strat parameters they use.

 

[Voodoovaj]

To be fair a lot of drivers aren't engineers, aero specialists, chassis gurus

They explain to the engineers how the car "feels" and typically engineers will change stuff to help them get a better "feeling"

And those are the drivers that suck. The dudes that pay to be in the seat and do nothing for the team other than bring money. Do they need to be engineers? No, not at that level, but a basic understanding will help. The drivers that can't do that are of little use and don't last long.

Name 1 who didn't know anything yet still succeeded. "Gentlemen" drivers are not drivers. They have the money to compete. They pay to be surrounded by people who know. If you go grass roots racing, you'll be lucky to have an engineer at your disposal.

And it's not like this week requires a PhD in physics. Crank both font dampers down to minimum and set the rears to 5 ticks higher and you'll gain tons of time.

The game has required tuning for 25 years so I'm a little lost as to why tuning is an issue, especially when it's so limited.

 

[TheNormsk]

The Sardgena C reverse layout is only 1.65m long.

Perhaps one of the new vehicles then? Toyota Ambulance Himedic ’21 or Toyota GR Corolla Morizo Edition ’22

And it's not like this week requires a PhD in physics. Crank both font dampers down to minimum and set the rears to 5 ticks higher and you'll gain tons of time.

The game has required tuning for 25 years so I'm a little lost as to why tuning is an issue, especially when it's so limited.

Mine was a little different so may have to try yours but this setting for me improved my time:

Front compression: 23 (-3)
Front rebound: 42 (+2)
Rear Compression: 30
Rear rebound: 45 (+5)

Basically I increased rebound over stock compression +5 front and rear but then reduce the front (compression/rebound) -3 so it is softer for turn in and over curbs.

Brake bias is +2 (to the rear).

That combination gave me a significant decrease in lap time (911RSR)

 

[Voodoovaj]

The last couple days the races I was in everyone was cool with turns 1 & 2. It was like they all figured out that you can’t win a race there but you can definitely lose a race there.

We can only hope. I still people doing the old Senna "going for the gap" but there's no gap to go for. Whatever happened to the 0.5 for hitting people in the rear? That would help.

 

[PMK]

Some great news: 2023/24 GTWS Exhibition Series are almost here. First round of the Manufacturers Cup is due September 16th! I'm stoked, i love the GTWS events.

 

[sturk0167]

Alsace is a fun track, at least, so we'll see what hardware they stick us with.

Well, the tires are Sports Hard, so it will likely be some sort of street car.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

The game has required tuning for 25 years so I'm a little lost as to why tuning is an issue, especially when it's so limited.

I think a lot of people came in with Sport or here on 7 where tuning only matters offline (where the majority of new players rarely go)

 

[mellofello9]

The Sardgena C reverse layout is only 1.65m long.

I just tried a quick arcade race in a GR3 car and it's a 50 second lap. I'm not sure GR3 would work unless it's 15+ laps for the C time slot.

I'm guessing it's a a road car or Gr4 could work if it was only 10 laps ish

Will be interesting to see what strat parameters they use.

I was today years old when I realized the Fuji short course is still almost three miles long...one of these days I'll learn to pay attention to my surroundings. Maybe then I'll figure-out what the hell it is I'm supposed to be doing in here. 🤣

 

[Nebuc72]

Well, the tires are Sports Hard, so it will likely be some sort of street car.

It's the modern A110, which is a really nice car to drive actually. Information like that still gets shared by Nen.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

So which one is it? In this case’s
both things cannot be true.
I don’t have an accurate opinion of what happened)deleted video) but usually if you’re the only one in the room that thinks everyone else is wrong. That’s usually a good indication that you’re the smartest person in the room or that it’s time to reflect🤔
Not trying to pile on the criticism, everyone makes mistakes but it’s how you learn and own up to them.

Both can definitely be true. I accept that I was the a-hole.

I don't accept things like I reacted the way I did because of my being too DR-focused. I mentioned DR in the video only to show how poorly the last few weeks have gone for me. DR is a metric and it helps show the level of crappiness recently.

But I suspect there will still be people who are sure that I reacted because of my being too dr-focused, when in reality, nobody can know this other than me. But watch what happens - someone will inevitably argue that since I have a program that tracks DR, or they will quote something else I've said, to "prove" their point about my motivations/priorities. Nobody can know my motivations and priorities other than me.

If it seems like I'm overly sensitive in this area, it's because I am. People these days are so quick to assume they know the whole story, when they rarely do. I'm guilty of doing that too, even though I don't like the fact I do it sometimes.

So yes. Both things can be true.

And the day I claim to be the smartest person in the room is the day you need to have me locked up. Half the time I'm an idiot, and the other half I'm just ignorant of being an idiot. I'm very quick to admit when I'm wrong. Hence admitting IATA.

Doesn't stop me from having opinions, but that's a different story.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Both can definitely be true. I accept that I was the a-hole.

I don't accept things like I reacted the way I did because of my being too DR-focused. I mentioned DR in the video only to show how poorly the last few weeks have gone for me. DR is a metric and it helps show the level of crappiness recently.

But I suspect there will still be people who are sure that I reacted because of my being too dr-focused, when in reality, nobody can know this other than me. But watch what happens - someone will inevitably argue that since I have a program that tracks DR, or they will quote something else I've said, to "prove" their point about my motivations/priorities. Nobody can know my motivations and priorities other than me.

If it seems like I'm overly sensitive in this area, it's because I am. People these days are so quick to assume they know the whole story, when they rarely do. I'm guilty of doing that too, even though I don't like the fact I do it sometimes.

So yes. Both things can be true.

And the day I claim to be the smartest person in the room is the day you need to have me locked up. Half the time I'm an idiot, and the other half I'm just ignorant of being an idiot. I'm very quick to admit when I'm wrong. Hence admitting IATA.

Doesn't stop me from having opinions, but that's a different story.

It was your video and commentary that jumped to conclusions, saw malice where there was none and then moaned about losing "40%" of your DR

Without living with you and understanding your caring sensitive side.

We can only comment on what we saw, what you said and your more than average bad luck.

You don't need to justify yourself to us but admitting it was shameful thing to do to us whilst not saying you feel for all the other people caught up in your mini rage drama speaks volumes.

With regards to DR at times we all take it too seriously, but it's a trend not a micro forecast and I think it pays to remember that so watch for progress over time not under the microscope.

I only came back to this forum because you made a post that interpreted something very differently in a post race lobby that myself and the others new not to be the truth.

That was several months ago now. I'm glad to be back obviously.

Edit: I'd just agree with the whole DR, stress of it dropping as the motivation for what you did. If you don't then it looks a lot lot worse just my 2p

 

[OJBrit]

I must be colourblind because all I see is a black screen saying video is not available. 🍻

Same here. Shame as I wanted to watch it when I was able to, to see what the fuss was about.

I was today years old when I realized the Fuji short course is still almost three miles long...one of these days I'll learn to pay attention to my surroundings. Maybe then I'll figure-out what the hell it is I'm supposed to be doing in here. 🤣

It only misses out the 2 corners close together after Dunlop so apart from changing that corner's characteristics it is essentially still the same course.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Same here. Shame as I wanted to watch it when I was able to, to see what the fuss was about.

It only misses out the 2 corners close together after Dunlop so apart from changing that corner's characteristics it is essentially still the same course.

Miss appropriated street justice and frustration mostly.

You didn't miss much just imagine what the meme pink livery driver does.

 

[Cherryturbo]

Too much contradiction going on in the past day or so. I’m gonna pass on the subject again as I have previously made my views known.

Time to focus on the potential horror of Sardegna C Reverse. I’ve already seen a rumour of Gr2 but that has to be a joke, right?

 

[newmedia_dev]

Too much contradiction going on in the past day or so. I’m gonna pass on the subject again as I have previously made my views known.

Time to focus on the potential horror of Sardegna C Reverse. I’ve already seen a rumour of Gr2 but that has to be a joke, right?

It can't, no it can't be GR2 that would be sub 40s laps

 

[TheNormsk]

It can't, no it can't be GR2 that would be sub 40s laps

Total speculation: 30 laps with mandatory pit stop and high fuel/tire wear? That would be interesting...

 

[mellofello9]

It can't, no it can't be GR2 that would be sub 40s laps

I might be alone in this, but I'm pretty sure I'd need to spend a week in a sensory depravation chamber to recover from the stress induced by dealing with 40 sec. laps in a Gr 2 for anything more than, say, ONE lap. IRL is not for me, I embrace that. 😁

 

[IORT_Fishtail]

Some great news: 2023/24 GTWS Exhibition Series are almost here. First round of the Manufacturers Cup is due September 16th! I'm stoked, i love the GTWS events.

I’m glad to hear that it’s coming back soon as well! Thanks for sharing.

Timing is impeccable. 🤔

This is the queue for the baby seal clubbing chaps to live the DR go to hell message and enter the lower groups to live largely on bragging rights of top placements weekly and for the series total.

After all, it seems plausible that not caring about your placement in races or if you’re challenging yourself to potential, it could be overlooked that your DR tanked without knowing because you don’t look and don’t care and some A+ dude accidentally joins GT2 or even GT3 unknowingly. 😂

Rant over 😉