GT7 Daily Race Discussion

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But all there is is the braking and the dampers. So, again, hardly tuning nuance, as you say. I am going to go out on a limb and say that they guys winning consistently this week are the ones that are consistently winning every week.

I'm enjoying the softer car, which works better for me, and I've deeply disliked the lack of brake balance since launch, so that's also a welcome return.

Mind you, I haven't been able to put it all together for a win this week, but I chalk it up to my own faults, rather than the game set up.
So conversely I've had 8 wins and 8 dnf and as few top 5's or 10's

No tuning.

I think the softer car is better, but it compromises corner entry speed.

For me tuning needs to improve specific things, like how the car feels when I trail brake, brake balance and damper settings don't make enough different over the car I have driven (or the 650) for several months now.

So whilst I do appreciate what the tunning parameters do (silva at Suzuka anyone)

The more consistent platform of the car gives me things to work on which is lines and confidence in a few corners.

Everyone has there own view and performance increases on theses things which is cool.

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As I previously said, tuning is about feel rather than a magic dust to make you faster. If the car feels better for you/me then you go quicker. It's not the absolute values of the settings when we can't be that consistent enough to absolutely judge.

Yep. GTPlanet. People here will keep you on the straight and narrow, if you're dumb enough to be honest with them. Even more so if you post video evidence!
Man you keep digging.

Video evidence you are so proud of you deleted it?
 
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I only have 3. Main in EMEA, alt in US and alt in EMEA as well
My ALTs are both higher than my main because I only use them when I am really enjoying a race, and then I am often also performing better
I can't believe I didn't think of using my alt account, even with everyone here talking about them. My wife will vouch for the fact that sometimes I need to be (metaphorically) slapped in the face before I see something. Time to have some fun at Suzuka.

EDIT: Yeah, not so much. At least I can quit and not care about the impact. Sheesh, those people don't care about anyone on the track but themselves. "Look at that! I can get my front bumper inside his back bumper by a teensy amount, then just push a little. Whadda ya know? Another one bites the dust!"
 
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I think the DR system as a matchmaking tool is working as intended and I have very few complaints about it.

As many have said before, the issue with Sport Mode is that SR is a too narrow categorisation. It should be at least 10 times the range, between 0 and 999.

My view on this is because even though you have fast and fair drivers in, for example A/S, and the DR system will primarily match you correctly for ability, what varies wildly is the different opinions people have of what is FUN and what is FAIR. Especially in an online environment.

There should be a much higher tier available. Players who have a different idea of what's fair should occupy the mid-high tier but not foul up the races of people who rightly believe racing to be a no contact sport.
 
Been enjoying Race A this week. Alot of incidents but its mostly innocent mistakes I think. DR spread from A+ to C in every race so its bound to be dicey, but nothing too sinister about peoples behaviour. Good fun though.

When I saw Suzuka was the first round of the world series I jumped into Race B today for some 'practice'. Absolutely awful. Its the land of the unsafe re-entry at best, carnage at worst. The track really is a litmus test for people's actual race craft, and my high B low A DR level, both myself and the people around me are woefully inept at this track. Any gains are luck, not skill. Admittedly I have only done a handful of races, so it might be the luck of the draw.
 
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If DR wasn’t meant to be tracked then why even tell us what it is?
Likewise if DR is meant to be a matching tool then we don’t need to even know what it is, assuming a robust & equitable matching algorithm exists.

DR protection behaviour and Ladder anxiety only exist because DR / SR is in the public domain. These behaviours reduce the “fun” factor, can cause resentment and quite often result in actions that we may not be proud of.

Just my 2c
A racing game without statistics seems quite boring though, I have to say. Loses a lot of staying power.
 
A couple more B races today and stuck on pole for both in mixed lobbies.
First race I wasn’t on a blistering pace through the first two sectors and got bumped at the first 90 turn and bump launched to the edge of the gravel, saved it and came back on in 7th.
Held it together from there and made two places by the finish to end p5.

After race chat I sent “?” To p2 starter and he replied “slow”

Licking my wounds I moved on and very next race it was like ground hog day.

Same guy behind me and he chat’s have a good race and I wish him luck too.
I knew he was going to be fast though the first sectors and I was at least a little warmed up now.
We came into spoon and he made a clean move, we all survived and I got to chase for the rest of the race finishing p2.

We ended congratulating each other and had a much better experience on that second go. Fun experience.

Clean overtake
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We all survive. crack on!
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Just read that next week will be Alsace in A and Fuji Short in B....will be back at 100% after a whole week of casual A races, I was preparing for a league so I needed something softer :D
 
A racing game without statistics seems quite boring though, I have to say. Loses a lot of staying power.
You are quite correct and I agree.

The game itself is mostly devoid of any meaningful statistics. even if compared to GT Sport. Why PD decided not to port across that system of race reporting is confusing.

All I am saying is that the focus should be on lap times, sector times, overall race times, when pit stops occurred and a whole myriad of other data currently missing.

It would be preferable to focus on that stuff rather than changes in a contrived measuring system like DR/SR.
 
When I saw Suzuka was the first round of the world series I jumped into Race B today for some 'practice'. Absolutely awful. It’s the land of the unsafe re-entry at best, carnage at worst.

I’ve been loving Suzuka. I wish I’d the time to race it more as I think I might have got to DR A with it. Alas no time this weekend to get the 5 races in I’d need for that…

Now as to DR. I’ve been kind of surprised by all the drama around it this week. I’ve generally been keeping out of the discussion but I will say that for good or bad DR and SR is an integral part of the game. Whether someone chooses to follow it and make driving decisions on its rise and fall or if you choose to ignore it should be up to them. Like any stat it is just a tool.

For me personally, I like it and wish it actually provided more info as in GT Sport days, but I’m a data guy; as a professional I like stats and charts and wish GT had even more race history statistics. I know many others do not. We’re all different and that is what makes humanity human.
 
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For me personally, I like it and wish it actually provided more info as in GT Sport days, but I’m a data guy; as a professional I like stats and charts and wish GT had even more race history statistics. I know many others do not. We’re all different and that is what makes humanity human.
I really, really wish PD would build an API to support the stats environment we had in Sport. Loved the numbers and real-time racer stats places like GTBlade and KudosPrime had on offer. A lot of good information on-hand that is sorely missed. Is #PDlistens a thing?? No? Should it be a thing? Something accurate like #PDListensLOL might work.😁

As far as dailies go, well, I didn't daily today. I ran some laps because I got some friends cloggin-up the top of my qt list @ Suzuka. That's where I should be, not them. My list, my rules, dammit. Need to tend to that, if I can. Also trying to stack on miles at Suzuka for the WS stuff coming up. Never entered and have no idea what to expect/I'm doing so should be fun. Gots some readin' to do...

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@TheNormsk has me beat in Suzuka qualifying, but I'm 2 and 0 against him tonight 😉
Yeah, good racing with you but this is what happens after one decides to race after a night out on the town. All incidents were my own doing and I'll own up to that.

First race I ended 14th from Q7, after missing my braking mark and going off in the gravel down to last as I did not see it being so close to the car in front. That first race, the initial leaders were so slow and I felt so held up and I that led to me being much more on their rear than I usually am (where I can see what is happening). The bad thing about that one was that there was a billiard ball effect going on and my slide took two others out as well... Not proud.

Second race was going much better, being in P2 start of lap two only to bin it turn 1.
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It did give me a nice view of the competition behind me. Oh look, there you are!

That dropped me to 6th and lap 4 I was able to get P5 on turn 1. I'm sure P5 was not impressed with me as he turned in my side (on the outside) and then careened off track, but I had chased him down the straight, had my nose ahead of his before the braking point and I was on the inside. He should have known I was there as I'd chased his tail for 2 laps. Last lap I pass P4 who'd crashed out in the esses and that is where I finish. P4. Could have been worse.

The TLDR version. Alcohol and racing does not mix. While I felt good enough in QT practice when it came to actual races the sharpness to deal with other humans was just not there. I was tempted to race more but felt I could be a hazard to others so I stopped there.

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I just put in my results to GranTracker and net result was a 2% loss and I will admit that part of the consideration for stopping tonight was that I did not want to risk dinging my DR more. I know this subject is a sore point for some but I think it was a good check as it reinforced my second consideration in that my driving potentially put at risk the races of other drivers and I did not want to feel responsible for ruining someone else's race. Had I not cared about DR/SR then I might have continued to race whatever the outcome.
 
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Yeah, good racing with you but this is what happens after one decides to race after a night out on the town. All incidents were my own doing and I'll own up to that.

First race I ended 14th from Q7, after missing my braking mark and going off in the gravel down to last as I did not see it being so close to the car in front. That first race, the initial leaders were so slow and I felt so held up and I that led to me being much more on their rear than I usually am (where I can see what is happening). The bad thing about that one was that there was a billiard ball effect going on and my slide took two others out as well... Not proud.

Second race was going much better, being in P2 start of lap two only to bin it turn 1.
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It did give me a nice view of the competition behind me. Oh look, there you are!

That dropped me to 6th and lap 4 I was able to get P5 on turn 1. I'm sure P5 was not impressed with me as he turned in my side (on the outside) and then careened off track, but I had chased him down the straight, had my nose ahead of his before the braking point and I was on the inside. He should have known I was there as I'd chased his tail for 2 laps. Last lap I pass P4 who'd crashed out in the esses and that is where I finish. P4. Could have been worse.

The TLDR version. Alcohol and racing does not mix. While I felt good enough in QT practice when it came to actual races the sharpness to deal with other humans was just not there. I was tempted to race more but felt I could be a hazard to others so I stopped there.

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I just put in my results to GranTracker and net result was a 2% loss and I will admit that part of the consideration for stopping tonight was that I did not want to risk dinging my DR more. I know this subject is a sore point for some but I think it was a good check as it reinforced my second consideration in that my driving potentially put at risk the races of other drivers and I did not want to feel responsible for ruining someone else's race. Had I not cared about DR/SR then I might have continued to race whatever the outcome.
My week started out rough. Huge drop as I just couldn't figure out Suzuka very well, but it finally clicked somewhat and I'm inching my way back up.

It's been a very fun week as long as one can avoid the wrecks!
 

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A racing game without statistics seems quite boring though, I have to say. Loses a lot of staying power.
We need way more statistics. We need Kudos Prime back. Better yet we need PD to integrate it into the game interface. If you don't care, don't look, but there should be lists and graphs for us to peruse until our hearts' content. They have all the data.

I've done well over 1500 races it would be nice to indulge in the story that has created.
 
There's nothing wrong with statistics, there's nothing wrong with chasing a higher DR or a longer clean race streak or what ever stat you choose.
There's something wrong with letting that chase ruin your enjoyment of the game and there's definitely something wrong when the chase for that statistics makes you ruin other people's enjoyment of the game.
 
I don’t think anyone here is saying that they don’t like statistics. As people have been stated, it’s the lack of meaningful race date that’s the issue and has been since GT7 started.

There have been many posts about the data discrepancies between GT Sport and GT7. If PD do take note of anything posted in these forums (doubtful) then I would have expected some form of improvement by now.

My recent posts have been to express my frustration at the need for certain parties to bombard us with their endeavours to improve their DR and/or SR. As others have said, these posts could be viewed as being narcissistic, arrogant, contradictory, and repetitive in nature.

People fail to realise that every post that glorifies their own endeavours diminishes the efforts of others. For some to “win”, someone has to ”lose”. Being in the latter category, a continuous litany of others detailed successes is hard to read. Some consideration would be appreciated.

Great, your lap times improved. Tell us how you did that rather than that you are now in the top “x” or actively chasing “y” DR.

Thanks for reading. I am C/S driver and you, evidently, are not.
 
When I saw Suzuka was the first round of the world series I jumped into Race B today for some 'practice'. Absolutely awful. Its the land of the unsafe re-entry at best, carnage at worst. The track really is a litmus test for people's actual race craft, and my high B low A DR level, both myself and the people around me are woefully inept at this track. Any gains are luck, not skill. Admittedly I have only done a handful of races, so it might be the luck of the draw.
Luck of the draw or not, this has been my exact experience.
After race chat I sent “?” To p2 starter and he replied “slow”

Licking my wounds I moved on and very next race it was like ground hog day.

Same guy behind me and he chat’s have a good race and I wish him luck too.
I knew he was going to be fast though the first sectors and I was at least a little warmed up now.
We came into spoon and he made a clean move, we all survived and I got to chase for the rest of the race finishing p2.

We ended congratulating each other and had a much better experience on that second go. Fun experience.
I hate being in front and knowing I'm driving slower than the guy behind me wants. Unless it's the last lap, I usually let them go by, because it takes the pressure off and makes it more enjoyable for me. Also, it's 50/50 whether he can handle the pressure of being in front. :lol: In any case, I'm glad you had a good experience - it feels really good when you can race someone like this no matter who wins.
arghhhhhhhhhhh :mad:... from pole to this, driving like @TheNormsk drunk maybe ??? I did manage to salvage 7th place
LOL. I'll agree that you probably weren't driving at your best, but that car that pitted you was being dirty IMO. Even if he wasn't, he should be fined for that livery!
Yeah, good racing with you but this is what happens after one decides to race after a night out on the town.

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I just put in my results to GranTracker and net result was a 2% loss and I will admit that part of the consideration for stopping tonight was that I did not want to risk dinging my DR more. I know this subject is a sore point for some but I think it was a good check as it reinforced my second consideration in that my driving potentially put at risk the races of other drivers and I did not want to feel responsible for ruining someone else's race. Had I not cared about DR/SR then I might have continued to race whatever the outcome.
So what you're saying is, you were 2% impaired? LOL. Good on you for considering your impact on other drivers. I'll try to remember that for myself - not that I drink, but driving tired can have the same impact (pun intended).
I really, really wish PD would build an API to support the stats environment we had in Sport. Loved the numbers and real-time racer stats places like GTBlade and KudosPrime had on offer. A lot of good information on-hand that is sorely missed.
We need way more statistics. We need Kudos Prime back. Better yet we need PD to integrate it into the game interface. If you don't care, don't look, but there should be lists and graphs for us to peruse until our hearts' content. They have all the data.

I've done well over 1500 races it would be nice to indulge in the story that has created.
100% agree, and this is one of the things I don't understand at all. Keeping the kind of stats we'd want is simple, and they might even be keeping them already.

Making the stats available via an interface on the website is relatively simple - and it wouldn't even require work from the actual developers - any decent backend (website) developer could create the interface. Could people forge the stats? Of course! But that's not the point at all. Such a simple thing to add, with such a far-reaching impact.
Is #PDlistens a thing?? No? Should it be a thing? Something accurate like #PDListensLOL might work.😁
I wish they were. It's possible the developers are listening, but the suits that decide what they should work on don't care. I've been there, and there's nothing more frustrating than knowing you can improve things, and not being allowed to.
There's nothing wrong with statistics, there's nothing wrong with chasing a higher DR or a longer clean race streak or what ever stat you choose.
There's something wrong with letting that chase ruin your enjoyment of the game and there's definitely something wrong when the chase for that statistics makes you ruin other people's enjoyment of the game.
Keep reminding me (and others).

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People fail to realise that every post that glorifies their own endeavours diminishes the efforts of others. For some to “win”, someone has to ”lose”. Being in the latter category, a continuous litany of others detailed successes is hard to read. Some consideration would be appreciated.
I really, really, really don't want this to sound as harsh as it's going to sound. I like and respect you, so please take this with a huge grain of salt when I say this (and I've already admitted how much of an idiot I can be) (also, it's quite possible I've already said this before, but I'm old and can't remember stuff): It sounds to me like it's your issue, not others. Why should it bother you that other people want to share their success? Yes, it's at the expense of other people - that's the definition of competition. When I read about other people's success, it just motivates me to want to be better. OK, yes, sometimes it bothers me that I'm one of the people they beat, but I'm bothered because I wish I was better, not because they posted what they did.

OK, end of soapbox. Like I said, I hope I didn't come off too harsh, and of course you're entitled to your feelings, so don't let an idiot like myself make you feel bad. It's just my opinion. [Insert every other groveling kind of sentence you can think of] :cheers: [about to click "post"... sure hope I don't regret it... Ah, what the hell...]
 
these posts could be viewed as being narcissistic
I assume "narcissistic" is being used as a light hearted term but I know someone with this personality disorder and It aint pretty, I don't think it should be thrown around on the internet/public forum like it is, especially about a video game.
and repetitive in nature
The title of this thread is "daily race discussion" so it's going to be repetitive in nature
People fail to realise that every post that glorifies their own endeavours diminishes the efforts of others.
It actually doesn't do any of that, it's a video game, it's entertainment, you can switch it off.
Some consideration would be appreciated.
You can't dictate how to people express their views on a public forum/this thread so that's really something you need to work on for yourself.
 
@GrumpyOldMan

Grain of salt taken.

Not going to waste any more time on this. I’ve better things to do tbh.

Lets just say that we agree to differ.


@GTRedman

I said narcissistic not Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I am aware of the correct use of both terms.

The title of this thread has no bearing on what I am referring to.

I put effort into playing the game, so do most I would think. I also know where the off button is.

Asking for consideration is not demanding nor dictating. It is a polite request.

As above, let’s agree to differ.
 
Can't get on with Autopolis at all, some of the corners are a constant nightmare with my heavy foot (not my fault gov, it's genetic, honest!). Looking forward to the refresh.
 
As above, let’s agree to differ.
Sure I'll buy you a beer or 2 or whatever your favorite beverage is :cheers: 🍷
One of the reasons I barely post here anymore.
That's the wrong lesson to take.

Clint Eastwood "Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one"
Richard Carlson "Don’t sweat the small stuff…and it’s all small stuff"

:cheers:

(sorry Mod I forgot to merge)
 
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That dropped me to 6th and lap 4 I was able to get P5 on turn 1. I'm sure P5 was not impressed with me as he turned in my side (on the outside) and then careened off track, but I had chased him down the straight, had my nose ahead of his before the braking point and I was on the inside. He should have known I was there as I'd chased his tail for 2 laps.

So am I right in my assessment that I’m not at fault for the other car going off track here? This is not a dive bomb as the move was a long time coming down the straight. He also failed to defend the corner and should have known I was there and backed off once I was on the inside of the turn.

 
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So am I right in my assessment that I’m not at fault for the other car going off track here? This is not a dive bomb as the move was a long time coming down the straight. He also failed to defend the corner and should have known I was there and backed off once I was on the inside of the turn.


Racing incident mate, you committed to the move and kept the line tight. He just turned in and either didn't realise you were there or because he'd missed the outside line to cut back braking point.
 
So am I right in my assessment that I’m not at fault for the other car going off track here? This is not a dive bomb as the move was a long time coming down the straight. He also failed to defend the corner and should have known I was there and backed off once I was on the inside of the turn.


I'd say you had established alongside on the inside line and they tried to take the inside line as if they were hotlapping. They need to be aware of what's around them and leave space.
 
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