GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[mellofello9]

Now to @Nebuc72 comment, while I feel you should not have given him any space as you did not need to, in the sense of self preservation sometimes it may be advisable to move over just to be safe. Again though, you had no responsibility to do this. It's all on the black car.

The Alfa never even lifted...it was like watching the BTCC all over again!

I mean, you were sideways and he's shoving you down the road like a snowplow. Best I can tell that was a full-on rage moment behind the wheel of the Alfa. Like Normsk said, in the spirit of saving your own hide you could've given him more room, but it certainly wasn't a requirement. He was re-entering the course, after-all.

That was tough to watch. They knocked you down and allowing you to get back up just wasn't on the list of potential outcomes.🤕

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

That was tough to watch. They knocked you down and allowing you to get back up just wasn't on the list of potential outcomes.🤕

Considering the fact that I'm a recovering retaliator, I can completely understand. Also, I'm sure he assumed I was intentionally not letting him back on the track. But it was funny - I started to slide and turn, and it still didn't dawn on me what was happening.

Yep - this is exactly it. The same principles apply in real life driving, there's the old saying that the graveyard is full of people who had the right of way, and the same applies (to a less dramatic degree!) to sim racing, where being in the right doesn't necessarily expel you from the danger of what other drivers may be doing.

Totally. When I used to drive a little sports car, I was kind of like that. But now I drive an SUV, and I just say "sure, come on over, I don't mind", and let people do what they want. Life's a lot easier that way. Does it make me a pussy? Nah, I just feel superior to them.

 

[MrHatss]

I'm back.
So.....what better way to spend some time on Race B?
Here I'm, reserved 30min to get a decent QT of 1:44:447 that in C lobby means 4-7p at the start...I was a little worried after a couple of weeks doing A races and private lobby with friends but I started in the best possible way with a P3 and a P6...I may be able to do another one before going to bed.
It's a strange track, pretty chaotic in the last sector due to the series of turn and the different lines users take...a thing that hasn't changed in the meantime, aggressive behaviour all around, but it's the standard

Edit: did another pre-bed race: Q8 F5 almost 4th at the finish line with 90% DR-B driver

ps. are any of you going to race the manufacturer's saturday? I'm trying Suzuka with the 458gr3, it's tricky but rewarding

 

[Kriptical]

I assume the incident at the end of this video is not my fault, but please let me know if I should have done something different. For the record, I had no idea the guy was even there, with everything else that was going on.

Here's how to go from 8th to 14th in the last third of a lap. Also, "how NOT to re-enter the track", and "I wonder what this looked like in VR".

About a minute and a half of your time.

Bunch of brats in that lobby. Watched it like 10 times and found something new to be annoyed with each time.

Of course not your fault..

 

[Stilva]

2 races tonight for me. I did get my time to a 51.8XX so that was one goal accomplished. The other was to survive the races to come.

My new time put me P3 on the grid which was great! P1 and P2 have some contact in the esses and P1 brake checks P2 and naturally I get caught up in it. I hit the wall early on and join back in line in P6. Some nice pack racing believe it or not. I pit lap 9 and pick up another wall penalty. I had instances on consecutive laps where a car coming out of the pits un-ghosted in my entry into turn 1. After all the chaos I finish P5 so not too bad.

Race 2 has me in P4 and a driver almost spins in front of me and I slow down as not to hit them. I get back up to speed and they rejoin the racing line and hit me which sends me into the wall. No penalty thankfully and I try and get out of the way of the faster drivers. The P1 driver from my first race is out for revenge on the P2 driver from the previous race and missed his target completely. Then misses again at a second attempt and that was the end of that. It all settles down and we just turn laps. I eventually get to P4 and pit at the end of lap 11 to change it up. I have a nice battle with P5 for the rest of the race. They do get into the back of me, but let me keep my spot like in a rare moment of sportsmanship. They do get by after I make a mistake and I finish P5. Also, not too bad.

So, this combo is a blast so far and being up front is is keeping me out of the mess I've been seeing behind me. I should probably mess with the tunable parts and see what happens. I've been running un-tuned so far and can probably get a bit quicker with a different set up. Any suggestions on that or is it more of a set the car to your preference?

 

[TheNormsk]

I'm beginning to feel I may not be cut out for racing in A lobbies just yet. Actually, I'm may be but I need to find consistency. I'm still enjoying race C even though this evening dinged my confidence somewhat. As long as I did not mess up I mostly had the pace but I made a number of errors. I put some of that down to the twitchiness of my suspension tune on the Genesis X (while it can hook up with the road and put down fast times it is also apt to power oversteer and to suddenly break traction if not careful) and to my still building race craft sometimes failing me.

Race 1 - Started Q7 and ended P8.
Er, this is a tough lobby. I was only 1 of 4 B drivers in a field of As.

Did not start well. Turn 1, first lap I am bumped in the rear and lose traction, enough to drop me to 14th. As is typical with the race though there is lots of action that allows recovery. These two bump at the top of the hill and I can power though the middle. That brought a smile to my face.

On lap 2 two cars with penalties allow me to recover two more spots, up to P10 but on lap 3 I over shoot turn 1 dropping a spot again. Over shooting turn 1 will become one of my kryptonite moments on this circuit. More cars with penalties have me back up to P8 by 4 and a crash between two others have to me P6 on lap 5.

Never a dull moment! I'm actually up to P5 when I pit on lap 7. I come in early to try to avoid traffic and get a jump on others. Coming out I'm back to P14 but with clear track. It turns out that with the pit reshuffle I ended up losing spots and dropped to 8th, then 10th then back up to 8th which is where I ended.

Race 2 - Started Q5 and ended P11.
This lobby was even tougher with me being only 1 of 3 Bs this time. But at least I was starting higher up the grid. The first 4 laps were great until the last turn. I went a little wide, got on the gravel then over rotated into the opposite barrier. I lost 5 spots and gained a 1.5s penalty; which cost me two more spots. Down to P12. On lap 9, I messed up the last corner (again) and overshot it but this time t-boning another car. I intended to wait for the car I hit and two cars passed me and I thought he had so I started again and went in the pits. Looking back at the video I did not wait long enough as the car I hit was still 1.4s behind. Sorry that guy. Now I got a 4s penalty for that as well which put me last (P14) some 45s behind the leader. It was not looking good. I was serious considering quitting as I was still last on lap 16. Then action started to happen again in the closing laps. In the end I gained 3 spots through other's attrition.

Not a great start but considering the lobbies I was in the DR change was a net 0 for the two races.

Race 3 - Started Q3 and ended P12.
Ah, my worse race. The lobby was a bit more even with 9As and 7Bs. I had a great first lap still in P3 when I miss my braking mark by, what 2m? That was enough and I could not slow the car and turn and I slid into the barrier. What a waste! That dropped me 10 spots (P13). Ironically there was much less attrition in this race than there was in the higher A lobbies. I was still P11 when people started to pit. I decided to stay out to see if fresher rubber later would help me as I now had clean air. Lap 11 I was P4 (but not really) and braking into T1 I get bumped by a car coming out of pit lane which sends me into P3 punting him off track. I also lose it and lose 2 more spots and get that 4s penalty again - the car that hit me did not get a penalty . By the time that was taken and my pit I was down to P12. After that it was an uneventful TT trying to catch up. I couldn't and stayed at P12.

Take Aways
It is a fun race when lots of action is happening ahead and you are not part of it so you gain. However, it is also easy to be part of it! Two corners are my Kryptonite. Turn 1 and the last turn. In tight racing I can often miss my braking spot by a couple meters but it kills the corner when that happened. And also, even though I can put down good lap times, he last turn I am somewhat timid on as when I've been aggressive it has often resulted in calamity. Conversely I have been somewhat slow there in race and that is where the higher rated A drivers bully their way pass or they get the run up the finishing straight into turn 1.

I think I need to work on my car tune more to try to make it more stable as well..

Even though this was a bit varied I still thoroughly recommend this race. It's a blast!

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Lae to the party, but just wanted to let @GrumpyOldMan know that I too think this incident was on the Alfa driver. And yes you could have avoided it, but hindsight is 20/20.

There's as the others said important lessons to be learnt from it.
Although I think a lot of the driving from most people around you are over aggressive.

 

[FluxWildly]

I totally get this, and I 100% agree. I need to learn to pay more attention to where other cars are on the track, even in situations like this. I can think of many incidents I'm sure I could have avoided if I was more aware of my surroundings. Not that it was necessarily my responsibility to give room, but giving room is a lot better than ending up in last place. Yelling "but I had the right of way!" doesn't do much good when I'm plastered against a fence.

Thanks for this - I didn't expect to learn something this important from the incident. With my ADD, it can be harder to switch focus from one thing to another, but it's not impossible by any means, and with practice I think I can do a lot better.

So again thanks!!

At the same time, I think the self preservation statement works both ways. It is always up to the car that is off-track to rejoin safely which in this case they did not. A simple lift off the throttle from the alfa would have been all that was required to slip back in behind you and then they would have benefited from your slipstream to get back up to speed. But to make matters worse, once they started to pit you they didn't try taking their foot off the accelerator even a little bit let alone brake at all!

 

[Mercia]

I assume the incident at the end of this video is not my fault, but please let me know if I should have done something different. For the record, I had no idea the guy was even there, with everything else that was going on.

Here's how to go from 8th to 14th in the last third of a lap. Also, "how NOT to re-enter the track", and "I wonder what this looked like in VR".

About a minute and a half of your time.

Well it was certainly a move Dale would have been proud of

 

[Nebuc72]

At the same time, I think the self preservation statement works both ways. It is always up to the car that is off-track to rejoin safely which in this case they did not. A simple lift off the throttle from the alfa would have been all that was required to slip back in behind you and then they would have benefited from your slipstream to get back up to speed. But to make matters worse, once they started to pit you they didn't try taking their foot off the accelerator even a little bit let alone brake at all!

I mean, no? Self preservation doesn't work both ways because you are only in control of yourself, not anybody else.
Could the Alfa have also avoided the incident? Yes - but he didn't, hence why there was even an incident to begin with.

That's just up to the other driver being an idiot. Self preservation only dictates motions that you could take to prevent being involved in an accident, it's reacting to other drivers - not assuming they will behave as you want them to.

As I said earlier, even in a perfect world the Alfa could've slowed down to tuck behind, get unsettled by the bumpy runoff becoming grass and end up gettimg launched into Grumpys car anyway. In that situation even whilst the Alfa took maneuvers to protect himself and rejoin safely, Grumpy would've been collected anyway for having his car where it was. Move over to the right - and none of that happens.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Although I think a lot of the driving from most people around you are over aggressive.

Bunch of brats in that lobby. Watched it like 10 times and found something new to be annoyed with each time.

Me too. And it doesn't make sense, battling it out for 8th place.

Of course not your fault..

Lae to the party, but just wanted to let @GrumpyOldMan know that I too think this incident was on the Alfa driver. And yes you could have avoided it, but hindsight is 20/20.

Thanks!

At the same time, I think the self preservation statement works both ways. It is always up to the car that is off-track to rejoin safely which in this case they did not. A simple lift off the throttle from the alfa would have been all that was required to slip back in behind you and then they would have benefited from your slipstream to get back up to speed.

As @Nebuc72 said, "Move over to the right - and none of that happens."

But to make matters worse, once they started to pit you they didn't try taking their foot off the accelerator even a little bit let alone brake at all!

I think what happened was he thought I was intentionally trying to not let him back in, and he was pissed. Honestly, if I had been in his shoes, I might have reacted the exact same way. I'm not condoning it of course, but I certainly understand it.

Interestingly enough, I had a similar incident later on yesterday. Someone went too wide in T3, and went off the track some. I saw it happen, but I didn't know what happened to him. He came blazing back onto the track (good save, honestly), and clipped my rear bumper, spinning me out.

I thought a lot about it, along with the incident we've been talking about here, and I realized that I should have anticipated that he would need to come back on the track, and he would be barely under control when it happened, and I should have moved over. If I had, I wouldn't have gone from a P6 start to a P13 finish. And that, right there, is the main reason I've been bleeding DR lately. I need to be more aware of my surroundings.

It usually takes me a few times before things sink in to my thick head. Even still, my ingrained entitlement mentality is hard to break. "I have a right to this line, and how dare you encroach it!" is heard echoing across the track, almost as though I'm talking with Barry R about it, except by then I'm close enough to whisper it to him.

 

[NAXEHT]

Well, it’s evident that this leaderboard isn’t as competitive as it could’ve been but still. Groovy combo!

 

[newmedia_dev]

I managed to improve in Daily B QT quite significantly after realising I had ABS set to weak for some reason. Changed to Default and .....

 

[TheNormsk]

I changed my natural frequency tune some more and I think I have it a bit more in control.

As of last night I was able to get ahead of @Nebuc72 time to get back to the top of the leaderboard. This was my run.

 

[GTRedman]

I changed my natural frequency tune done more and I think I have it a bit more in control.

As of last night I was able to get ahead of @Nebuc72 time to get back to the top of the leaderboard. This was my run.

Great time, Tidgney in his guide said to take the 1st turn wide to get a better exit, so you could go faster in that first sector.

 

[TheNormsk]

Great time, Tidgney in his guide said to take the 1st turn wide to get a better exit, so you could go faster in that first sector.

I’ve been trying various lines on turn 1. I haven’t managed to get the wider line to work for me as I often miss the apex. But it’s true that turn 1 is critical to the rest of the lap. Slow out and by lap end you can be .5s behind at the end of the lap which is huge for a 51s lap.

 

[TheNormsk]

Something updated last night on the PS5. Trying to open GT7 this morning it errored twice before it opened. Then going into sport I got this screen.

Did GT7 update as well, or might this be a result of the PS5 update losing cache settings?

 

[rAtey]

I have a question: what do official rules of racing say about repeatedly moving side to side to prevent someone from overtaking?
I encounter these people sometimes. They know they're slow but they're literally blocking you throughout the entire race. And that also includes drafting: repeatedly moving side to side so you don't get a speed advantage.

I knew you could change direction no more than once (I may be wrong). That's what I always do. And then if they're faster I let them overtake.

Unfortunately this is all allowed. It is up to the driver behind to make a safe pass. The "Move once under braking" rule is a F1 rule and doesn't apply to GT3 racing. Doesn't mean it isn't dirty driving though.

 

[Kriptical]

I managed to improve in Daily B QT quite significantly after realising I had ABS set to weak for some reason. Changed to Default and .....

Ok so curiosity has me. During qualifying lately I've begun practicing with abs off( and everything else off, for that matter), to learn car and track, then moving to abs weak for the race, with tcs 1. I have to ask why you prefer abs default to other settings?

 

[newmedia_dev]

Ok so curiosity has me. During qualifying lately I've begun practicing with abs off( and everything else off, for that matter), to learn car and track, then moving to abs weak for the race, with tcs 1. I have to ask why you prefer abs default to other settings?

Very good question.

So my settings typically are 0 BB, TC 0 and I was using ABS weak.

What I have subjectively found (in my own times) Using default ABS is that it smooths out some of my trail braking inconsistencies.

With default for me it's compromise of ultimate stopping distance performance vs allowing faster deeper trail braking which has had the most impact on lowering my times.

I don't have the fidelity to have ABS Off without the direct seat of the pants feeling you get in a real car I just end up locking up constantly.

Edit: added a lap showing how I use the brake while it's set to ABS default.




Don't have a lap with it on weak.

Following Gallo .2 offset for the ghost.

As you can see I can catch him through braking for T1 (its just everywhere else he runs away 🤣)

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Did GT7 update as well, or might this be a result of the PS5 update losing cache settings?

I don't know what it's the result of, but I did not get that message. I accepted a system software update, and updated my DualSense controller too. I opened GT7 (no crash), and jumped in a race, and I didn't get the message. (I didn't actually run the race, though - in case that matters.)

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Very good question.

So my settings typically are 0 BB, TC 0 and I was using ABS weak.

What I have subjectively found (in my own times) Using default ABS is that it smooths out some of my trail braking inconsistencies.

With default for me it's compromise of ultimate stopping distance performance vs allowing faster deeper trail braking which has had the most impact on lowering my times.

I don't have the fidelity to have ABS Off without the direct seat of the pants feeling you get in a real car I just end up locking up constantly.

I also understood ABS weak to create higher tire wear than default, which can be an issue in some of the races. I switch between the two for TT, but use default for racing

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I don't think ABS weak gives higher tyre wear automatically, if you use it to brake harder in shorter distances then yes absolutely but if you use it to better modulate the brake then it won't.
I use ABS weak only since a couple of updates ago, but I have been using it for road cars for a much longer time.
If you use ABS weak and brake the same way as with default then it wears the tyres more and give no other advantages.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I genuinely can't believe it but I just managed a 1:42:1 in Daily B QT and 145th in the world. As a B rated driver. So proud of myself.

Edit: In the Veyron!!!

 

[Mercia]

Something updated last night on the PS5. Trying to open GT7 this morning it errored twice before it opened. Then going into sport I got this screen.

View attachment 1286937

Did GT7 update as well, or might this be a result of the PS5 update losing cache settings?

My PS5 had to rebuild the database upon starting it again which is odd but everything looks just as I left it otherwise.

Will have to have a dig and see what the update was all about.

 

[newmedia_dev]

My PS5 had to rebuild the database upon starting it again which is odd but everything looks just as I left it otherwise.

Will have to have a dig and see what the update was all about.

Funny enough I've had 2 days of the GT logo loading error and eventually it works but I manually (safe mode) rebuilt my database and it's been stable since.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I don't think ABS weak gives higher tyre wear automatically, if you use it to brake harder in shorter distances then yes absolutely but if you use it to better modulate the brake then it won't.
I use ABS weak only since a couple of updates ago, but I have been using it for road cars for a much longer time.
If you use ABS weak and brake the same way as with default then it wears the tyres more and give no other advantages.

I think personally if you can be super consistent and progressive on the brakes then it reduces tire wear, my style is to bleed off much more but brake initially harder so default does something which doesn't get talked about much which is turn in.

The sacrifice is ultimate force to stop vs grip being constantly offered to a degree. Physics are physics.

For tire wear I agree with you regardless of setting, but the main wear is corner exit as that is the time you ask the tires to do the most.

I think a decently driven race probably doesn't make a difference in how short the races are.

Because you are trading pace for longevity "for me" and they sort of balance

 

[GTWolverine]

I've been continuing to spam Race C in the Corvette, and managed a 51.2 in qualifying with it. It's quite the workout trying to hustle the 'Vette to keep up with the Genesiseseseses, but I've had a lot of great battles. It's a struggle to not hemorrhage spots on the opening couple laps while waiting for my tires to warm up though. While obviously the Corvette is no match for the Genesis in top speed, I seem to be unable to warm its tires up as quickly as the Genesis drivers either, so they're all over me by the start of Sector 2 and easily breeze past me into T1 on the next lap.

 

[r_epp]

Unfortunately this is all allowed. It is up to the driver behind to make a safe pass. The "Move once under braking" rule is a F1 rule and doesn't apply to GT3 racing. Doesn't mean it isn't dirty driving though.

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@hardvibes

Right here it states "you can change your course in order to protect your position--but only once. Repeatedly changing course in order to prevent them from overtaking is a violation, and will incur a penalty." I wish that it actually would incur a penalty.

 

[rAtey]

Beyond the Apex

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www.gran-turismo.com

@hardvibes

Right here it states "you can change your course in order to protect your position--but only once. Repeatedly changing course in order to prevent them from overtaking is a violation, and will incur a penalty." I wish that it actually would incur a penalty.

This is not an official rule though, just PDs view. Like I said earlier, it's still dirty driving. I specifically used F1 and GT3 as example, not GR3.