GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Stilva]

I'm trying my luck in Race C this week and I hope I can survive some races. I got my qualifying time down to a 52.001 and try as I might could not break the 51 second barrier. Perhaps tomorrow.

 

[TheNormsk]

recall how I commented that most of my lobbies, we all take care through turn 1? Race C today, I start P10, turn down that hill and see 5 ghosts scattered all about. Zip through to P5, finish P4. nice.

I'm actually beginning to wonder if starting from towards the back is advantageous?

 

[icycls]

I'm actually beginning to wonder if starting from towards the back is advantageous?

It can be... this race C is unforgiving, but it is only monday. Drivers will get it dialled in eventually.

 

[mellofello9]

I'm actually beginning to wonder if starting from towards the back is advantageous?

I've had a lot more fun starting mid/back of the pack of late, but I think it's venue specific. Race C feels like it might be a good candidate this round. The field gets their turn 1-isms out of the way and racing can begin...as you're driving past a bunch of them. If it's a track where you're greeted by an ominous cloud of smoke on L1/T1 most times, stay towards the back. 😁

Speaking of C, can't wait to take a swing at a race this week. I absolutely love Sardegna in all its forms and this combo does not disappoint. I stand by my previous statement, too. Running group 2 cars here would be insane -BUT- the more I run it, the more palpable that sounds.

Good luck and hope to see y'all out there!

 

[TheNormsk]

Just had my second race C tonight. One hell of a race; absolutely love it.

I improved my qualifying time into the 51.9s but that still wasn’t good enough for a good position. I started Q11. There was lots of trading places and I went from up to fifth, down to 14th, up to fifth again and nearly getting 4th, only to finish eighth because I powered oversteered into the barrier on lap 18.

It’s a shame I didn’t get the fourth; it was so close but that’s racing. More importantly it was entertaining and fun and that’s what counts.

Sidenote. The Genesis is a beast of a car once you learn how to tame it. Hint, suspension tuning really helps.

 

[Dep Fishtail]

Mostly played around with trying different cars for B tonight. Only ran Veyron, 650 and Huracan and settled on the Huracan.
I’d recommend trying the Huracan if you’re looking for something competitive and easy to learn.

Only did 1 race started p8 and finished in the same position. Definitely not on par with normal B races by any stretch. No surprise with GR4’s but I had to give it a shot.

Haven’t really spent much time trying cars and qualifying for C yet but I remember the course and we did have GR3’s last time it ran as a B race.
Fun track with lots of Exciting Racing Action and plenty of smoke 😂.

I’ll be joining the crowds there before long because I can’t see doing many B races due to the venue.

GL and have fun!

 

[TheNormsk]

WARNING! Narcissistic boast mode coming up!

I did a thing! I found a suspension tune that really works and I'm learning the track. I propelled myself to the top of the QT leaderboard. That's never happened before when there has been more than 1 person on it!

I know this won't last as the really fast folks aren't on it yet, but I will pat myself on my back for now. Don't get the chance very often.

That is also good enough to be 1,697th in the world as of now.

 

[TheWeapon874]

Mostly played around with trying different cars for B tonight. Only ran Veyron, 650 and Huracan and settled on the Huracan.
I’d recommend trying the Huracan if you’re looking for something competitive and easy to learn.

Only did 1 race started p8 and finished in the same position. Definitely not on par with normal B races by any stretch. No surprise with GR4’s but I had to give it a shot.

Haven’t really spent much time trying cars and qualifying for C yet but I remember the course and we did have GR3’s last time it ran as a B race.
Fun track with lots of Exciting Racing Action and plenty of smoke 😂.

I’ll be joining the crowds there before long because I can’t see doing many B races due to the venue.

GL and have fun!

I'm using the Alfa 155 for race B - I haven't seen any others trying it.... I think it's pretty fun! Very different in terms of performance to the meta cars, it's much quicker in acceleration (you will overtake one car off the start each time), and faster for most of the track, except the second half of the finish straight, where you'll lose maybe half a second

I managed a reasonable qualifying time in it, about 200ish overall. 1.42.4

 

[GTWolverine]

Race C is a blast, and the tuning (even just the spring rate) is enough to bring the Corvette back into contention. Softening the springs to the fullest extent gives the most grip in the Corvette, at least for me. Of course it gets eaten up down the front straight by the Genesiseseseseseseseseses, but it's fun keeping them at bay, or staying on their bumper if they're in front of you. So far I'm struggling on the opening lap with cold tires in a way that those around me don't seem to though. Through 5 races so far, I've done Q2>P3, Q2>P1, Q1>P3, Q2>P2, and Q1>P1.

 

[Chewiechu]

Which car were you running. Wondering if some are better than others?

I've only tried the 911 so far. It's full throttle up the hill in clean air but I must lift if I'm following close to another car. What I noticed on the first lap is people run full throttle whatever the car up the hill and then the chaos starts. I gained 3 positions just because of that in both races yesterday.

 

[TheNormsk]

I've only tried the 911 so far. It's full throttle up the hill in clean air but I must lift if I'm following close to another car. What I noticed on the first lap is people run full throttle whatever the car up the hill and then the chaos starts. I gained 3 positions just because of that in both races yesterday.

I found with the Genesis-X that I can take the uphill full throttle in traffic but invariably it is much safer first lap to ease off just a bit to get through first lap.

With my two races I think I have competitive pace for top 5 but either being bumped, hitting a barrier to gain a penalty or power-oversteering off track when chasing someone down (you have to be very careful with the throttle even with TCS1 with the Genesis) are the cause of my current mid-pack finishes.

I saw that @Nebuc72 beat my QT for C this morning. That was hardly unexpected. He is an 👽 after all. Not content, I tried to improve. One tip! Take a note of your suspension settings when you find a good setting. I didn't and thought I would remember what they were this morning. I did not. . It took a few laps to sort it out (but I may still tweak it more and yes a change of +/- 5 can have a significant impact from any setting range you are working) and while I did not improve for the short time I had, I was happy with my consistency.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I don't think I have anymore left in me for QT maybe just maybe another 2 tenths if I can do the no chicane corner faster and the penultimate left hander.

think I'm overachieving slightly for B/S

 

[hardvibes]

I have a question: what do official rules of racing say about repeatedly moving side to side to prevent someone from overtaking?
I encounter these people sometimes. They know they're slow but they're literally blocking you throughout the entire race. And that also includes drafting: repeatedly moving side to side so you don't get a speed advantage.

I knew you could change direction no more than once (I may be wrong). That's what I always do. And then if they're faster I let them overtake.

 

[Famine]

I have a question: what do official rules of racing say about repeatedly moving side to side to prevent someone from overtaking?
I encounter these people sometimes. They know they're slow but they're literally blocking you throughout the entire race. And that also includes drafting: repeatedly moving side to side so you don't get a speed advantage.

I knew you could change direction no more than once (I may be wrong). That's what I always do. And then if they're faster I let them overtake.

While it can vary wildly, it's generally held that you can make one change of line on a straight and one to return to the driving line when approaching the braking zone for a corner. Although not with someone alongside you already.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I have a question: what do official rules of racing say about repeatedly moving side to side to prevent someone from overtaking?
I encounter these people sometimes. They know they're slow but they're literally blocking you throughout the entire race. And that also includes drafting: repeatedly moving side to side so you don't get a speed advantage.

I knew you could change direction no more than once (I may be wrong). That's what I always do. And then if they're faster I let them overtake.

It's a little nuanced.

Swerving isn't allowed unless it's practice or qualifying and only then as not to impede other drivers (hence all the blocking penalties we see in F1 at the moment)

In terms of rules in GT there aren't any. It sucks but that is the case.

Is it sporting behaviour no, what the informal gentleman's agreement "typically" is that you can move as much as you want but you can only move once "into" the breaking zone.

That usually translates to moving once before the braking zone, either racing line or defensive line, and that is the answer to "what is sportsmanship" however it's GT played by people with a very wide spectrum of ability and attitude so whilst it's not nice and spoils the fun they are allowed to do it.

Edit: cross posted with Famine

 

[Mercia]

And that also includes drafting: repeatedly moving side to side so you don't get a speed advantage.

Honestly just drive, let them get on with it. 9 times out of 10 a driver like that is a handful of turns from binning it anyway.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Honestly just drive, let them get on with it. 9 times out of 10 a driver like that is a handful of turns from binning it anyway.

I can vouch for that. Before I learned that's a no-no, I did it a few times, and inevitably I lost it and crashed myself. Too much worrying about the guy behind almost always leads to not enough attention to what you're supposed to me doing.

 

[mr_pepps]

So am I right in my assessment that I’m not at fault for the other car going off track here? This is not a dive bomb as the move was a long time coming down the straight. He also failed to defend the corner and should have known I was there and backed off once I was on the inside of the turn.

Mate no fault of yours - just like Lewis and Max at Silverstone.

 

[Tazzy-91]

Got there in the end 🙈 Switched to the 155 and was immediately 1 second quicker on my Q/T . Such an easy car to drive. Anyway, I must switch to manual as the automatic downshifting is brutal ( I'm using the controller and I find manual hard going on the pad). Easily shave another second off with manual. Made it back to B/A although I think it's harsh that someone spun in front of me and I got a 2s penalty and dropped from S. I couldn't avoid him.

 

[mellofello9]

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Got there in the end 🙈 Switched to the 155 and was immediately 1 second quicker on my Q/T . Such an easy car to drive. Anyway, I must switch to manual as the automatic downshifting is brutal ( I'm using the controller and I find manual hard going on the pad). Easily shave another second off with manual. Made it back to B/A although I think it's harsh that someone spun in front of me and I got a 2s penalty and dropped from S. I couldn't avoid him.

Congrats!! Also, thanks for the tip on the Alfa. Not sure how I always forget that one, if for nothing else the redline.

Don't know what your button config is like but I'm a controller sufferer as well. I moved downshift/upshift to X/O (R is on triangle, ebrake on square). Throttle/Brake is R2/L2 and headlight flash was moved OFF L3 to elsewhere. Been working great (for me) and the lower triggers for go/whoa afford a decent amount of travel for those inputs. Still be better with a wheel, tho...😁

 

[Tazzy-91]

Congrats!! Also, thanks for the tip on the Alfa. Not sure how I always forget that one, if for nothing else the redline.

Don't know what your button config is like but I'm a controller sufferer as well. I moved downshift/upshift to X/O (R is on triangle, ebrake on square). Throttle/Brake is R2/L2 and headlight flash was moved OFF L3 to elsewhere. Been working great (for me) and the lower triggers for go/whoa afford a decent amount of travel for those inputs. Still be better with a wheel, tho...😁

Thanks 👍 been a tough couple of weeks on the dailies for me but I like Fuji. I'm stuck with the controller for now until my house has been restored and I have a man cave 🤣🤣. I might spend an hour or so practicing to get some muscle memory built up for manual shifts. The auto option downshifting they have set is truly shocking 🤣. Anyway, the goal is to stay clean and stay B rated for now 👍

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

I assume the incident at the end of this video is not my fault, but please let me know if I should have done something different. For the record, I had no idea the guy was even there, with everything else that was going on.

Here's how to go from 8th to 14th in the last third of a lap. Also, "how NOT to re-enter the track", and "I wonder what this looked like in VR".

About a minute and a half of your time.

 

[Nebuc72]

I assume the incident at the end of this video is not my fault, but please let me know if I should have done something different. For the record, I had no idea the guy was even there, with everything else that was going on.

Here's how to go from 8th to 14th in the last third of a lap. Also, "how NOT to re-enter the track", and "I wonder what this looked like in VR".

About a minute and a half of your time.

Spoiler

I hate to say it Grumpy mate but yes, you could've just looked at your radar, saw you had a dude pushed off the track and moved over to the right to let him rejoin, where the track was clear.

Here's a good tip; not every incident is necessarily your fault. But almost every incident is avoidable.
Did you 'cause' the crash? No, he did, he spun you around whilst trying to rejoin the track. But could you have stopped this from happening? Yes - a glance at your radar is all it would've taken to stop any of that from happening.

Incident avoidance is just as an important of a skill as raw pace or general racecraft is. It's no good being quick when you get collected every race from incidents you could've avoided.
I know this is iRacing, and it's old - but it's a worthy watch. I learnt a lot from this through principles alone, even if every point can't be applied to other sims.

 

[Tazzy-91]

I assume the incident at the end of this video is not my fault, but please let me know if I should have done something different. For the record, I had no idea the guy was even there, with everything else that was going on.

Here's how to go from 8th to 14th in the last third of a lap. Also, "how NOT to re-enter the track", and "I wonder what this looked like in VR".

About a minute and a half of your time.

Spoiler

I think the livery on his car says enough 🤣🤣 Dale Sr the 'intimidator'

 

[TheNormsk]

I would not say that was Grumpy's fault; I disagree with @Nebuc72 here.

I think this was initiated by the idiot in the white/blue car behind that first bumped you. He knocked you off causing you to lose speed so the pack was on you and you know what hyenas are like. No compassion for the wounded. I actually think you did okay. It was then the black Alfa that cause the carnage. You were well ahead of him and on track. He may have been off but it was not your responsibility to have given him room when you were ahead. He should have backed off and slotted in behind and it was his responsibility to rejoin the track safely. He did not.

Now to @Nebuc72 comment, while I feel you should not have given him any space as you did not need to, in the sense of self preservation sometimes it may be advisable to move over just to be safe. Again though, you had no responsibility to do this. It's all on the black car.

 

[Nebuc72]

I would not say that was Grumpy's fault; I disagree with @Nebuc72 here.

I think this was initiated by the idiot in the white/blue car behind that first bumped you. He knocked you off causing you to lose speed so the pack was on you and you know what hyenas are like. No compassion for the wounded. I actually think you did okay. It was then the black Alfa that cause the carnage. You were well ahead of him and on track. He may have been off but it was not your responsibility to have given him room when you were ahead. He should have backed off and slotted in behind and it was his responsibility to rejoin the track safely. He did not.

Now to @Nebuc72 comment, while I feel you should not have given him any space as you did not need to, in the sense of self preservation sometimes it may be advisable to move over just to be safe. Again though, you had no responsibility to do this. It's all on the black car.

Sorry - I don't think the incident is Grumpy's fault but was rather replying to "Should I have done something differently here" in which case I think the answer is yes, the other driver should've been let on the track in the purpose of self preservation. The actual incident is 100% on the black Alfa, but I think Grumpy was 100% capable of stopping the incident from happening.

I don't think that incident would have happened in higher DRs because there's so many blaring 'warning' flags that indicate an incident is about to happen that I don't think get picked up on in lower ratings.
From my perspective, the green run-off was quickly becoming grass, and had Grumpy not left any space there either the grass could've unsettled the Alfa and launched him into Grumpy's car anyway. That's what I would've been looking out for, and why I would've moved over in my own race in that position.

 

[TheNormsk]

Sorry - I don't think the incident is Grumpy's fault but was rather replying to "Should I have done something differently here" in which case I think the answer is yes, the other driver should've been let on the track in the purpose of self preservation. The actual incident is 100% on the black Alfa, but I think Grumpy was 100% capable of stopping the incident from happening.

I don't think that incident would have happened in higher DRs because there's so many blaring 'warning' flags that indicate an incident is about to happen that I don't think get picked up on in lower ratings.
From my perspective, the green run-off was quickly becoming grass, and had Grumpy not left any space there either the grass could've unsettled the Alfa and launched him into Grumpy's car anyway. That's what I would've been looking out for, and why I would've moved over in my own race in that position.

Okay, I was misreading the tone of your post.

I agree that accident avoidance is critical to progressing. This is an area I am activity trying to develop. I've come a long way and I think it represents itself that I am on the cusp of DR A now but I know I've a long way still to go.

It is one thing to know the rules and how it should play out but it is another thing to anticipate human behavior and know when to play it safe.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I agree with @Neuc72

Whilst it sucks, I'm just really gobsmacked that people overtake or at least try in those places.

There are several corners you can take a faster line but no. Just go for the inside line and pretend you are the AI and not a person.

Just WoW honestly.

The affect it has on total race time and the people moving off in front off you. Just wow.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Sorry - I don't think the incident is Grumpy's fault but was rather replying to "Should I have done something differently here" in which case I think the answer is yes, the other driver should've been let on the track in the purpose of self preservation. The actual incident is 100% on the black Alfa, but I think Grumpy was 100% capable of stopping the incident from happening.

I totally get this, and I 100% agree. I need to learn to pay more attention to where other cars are on the track, even in situations like this. I can think of many incidents I'm sure I could have avoided if I was more aware of my surroundings. Not that it was necessarily my responsibility to give room, but giving room is a lot better than ending up in last place. Yelling "but I had the right of way!" doesn't do much good when I'm plastered against a fence.

Thanks for this - I didn't expect to learn something this important from the incident. With my ADD, it can be harder to switch focus from one thing to another, but it's not impossible by any means, and with practice I think I can do a lot better.

So again thanks!!

 

[Nebuc72]

Not that it was necessarily my responsibility to give room, but giving room is a lot better than ending up in last place. Yelling "but I had the right of way!" doesn't do much good when I'm plastered against a fence.

Yep - this is exactly it. The same principles apply in real life driving, there's the old saying that the graveyard is full of people who had the right of way, and the same applies (to a less dramatic degree!) to sim racing, where being in the right doesn't necessarily expel you from the danger of what other drivers may be doing.