GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Gurzu]

On the controller vs wheel debate, I think that abitude makes difference. Personally I'm way faster and consistent on a wheel rather than a pad. I highly respect those fast on a pad, but I can't cope with that "tool".
My 1st dayly event was at SSRX on a Huayra with pad; QT was 4:27.556 (2975th on the leaderbord at +1.210 from WR).
Few weeks ago we were back there and I was on a wheel this time using the same car; QT was 4:26.622 (48th on the leaderbord at +0.474 from WR).

Edit: I'm bringin SSRX as an example, cause there's only the steering imput involved, while trottle use and braking aren't a topic on that track.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Bop Changes

There have some been some quite big nerf's and buff's in both Groups 3/4

 

[Fezzik]

Gr4 Huracan nerfed

Gr3 Supra boosted

 

[bone_tone]

Bop Changes

There have some been some quite big nerf's and buff's in both Groups 3/4

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What is the effect of a PP change where neither weight nor power have changed?

In those cases what have they changed that makes the PP change? Presumably it's something in the other settings, eg downforce, diff, suspension etc?

 

[Barney Da Dog]

Nerfed the Gr3 Ferrari that was so super mega meta ☹️ Trying it on B though and my times are about the same 🤔

 

[newmedia_dev]

What is the effect of a PP change where neither weight nor power have changed?

In those cases what have they changed that makes the PP change? Presumably it's something in the other settings, eg downforce, diff, suspension etc?

I am not 100% sure but they also mentioned some of the drive train settings where updated so that may well be a factor.

Also its easy to miss some of the weight or HP changes as they aren't colour coded so not easy to spot.

Will do some more testing through the day, but the Lambo (Gr4) still seems like the strongest car at DF

Edit: @Barney Da Dog I didn't see much difference in the MCL that I ran first thing this morning yet it was buffed, so my guess is that the BoP ups/downs are slightly mitigated by the grip and braking changes quite possibly so the Nett is still probably the same 🤷‍♂️

 

[Talon16]

Was only the Mid-Speed BoP touched?

 

[newmedia_dev]

Was only the Mid-Speed BoP touched?

High Speed Was also updated: https://gt-engine.com/gt7/cars/gr3/gr3-01-specs.html

 

[Sprnova44]

Tired Interlagos today after the update driving the porsche rsr. I couldn’t get any faster than 1:31:300

Yesterday I was able to achieve 1:31:0 - 1:31:100 consistently. Is it because physics or bop changed?

Anyone has similar experience?
Im playing with pad.

 

[Nakano219]

Bop Changes

There have some been some quite big nerf's and buff's in both Groups 3/4

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Interesting that they're trying to make some of the older cars competitive.

There'll be some people who won't agree with that, whether it's because having multiple viable cars is an advantage in Manufacturers, or because it makes Gr.3 less "GT3"-looking.

Gr4 Huracan nerfed

Gr3 Supra boosted

The (GR) Supra is weird, because it actually got a BoP weight nerf, but it's still +10PP. Maybe it just really likes this update's physics?

 

[bone_tone]

Will do some more testing through the day, but the Lambo (Gr4) still seems like the strongest car at DF

Looks like the Alfa might be taking that position over - first race this afternoon, the guy on pole was in the Alfa. Launched off the line like a rocket, and he was 2.5 seconds ahead by the time we got to the first tunnel!

He won the race ahead of 2 Huracans, by 10 secs.

Giving it a go myself now.....

 

[Fezzik]

Interesting that they're trying to make some of the older cars competitive.

There'll be some people who won't agree with that, whether it's because having multiple viable cars is an advantage in Manufacturers, or because it makes Gr.3 less "GT3"-looking.

It really doesn't look very GT3 anyway. The vast majority of the field is "older" cars (or retired/superceded models to put it a bit more kindly) & PD's own versions.

I love the Beetle for example, but it does look really stupid racing in this category.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I love the Beetle for example, but it does look really stupid racing in this category.

That car in VR is proper crazy inside for a race car, it's like being in a literal beatles song 😂

Edit: @Nakano219 It does appear that they are just trying to broaden the balance to include some of the older cars (but still not really to the detriment of newer cars tbf)

It makes me think 2 things: There are no short or medium term plans to do anything radical with Sport Mode or additional models. The second thing is that we might start to see more of the defined subset of cars races where the list is more curated for GT/GR 3 cars like we have seen this week with GR4 and previously with the GR1/2 Dailies and even the Tuned car dailies.

 

[bone_tone]

Well, I went 0.2 secs faster in the G70, then lopped 0.6 secs off that time in the Alfa!

Of course, when I entered the race, half the field is now driving the Alfa....

 

[newmedia_dev]

Well, I went 0.2 secs faster in the G70, then lopped 0.6 secs off that time in the Alfa!

Of course, when I entered the race, half the field is now driving the Alfa....

Right gonna go give the rolling right angles car ago!

 

[Fezzik]

The second thing is that we might start to see more of the defined subset of cars races where the list is more curated for GT/GR 3 cars like we have seen this week with GR4 and previously with the GR1/2 Dailies and even the Tuned car dailies.

I would be onboard with this. In the past we had a Nations Cup with just the old GTR and Supra. Expand that to a 90s daily race including the F1 and NSX. Do an All American edition with only the Viper, Mustang and Corvette. Have a Battle of Britain with the 650S, F-Type and Vantage.

 

[bone_tone]

Right gonna go give the rolling right angles car ago!

The Huracan's not completely out of it - 2nd race was won by a Huracan, Alfas in 2nd and 3rd. Next race won by an Alfa (by 10 seconds again), Huracans 2nd and 3rd.

An Alfa in about P15 on the global leaderboard now too.

 

[Chris30]

Well, I went 0.2 secs faster in the G70, then lopped 0.6 secs off that time in the Alfa!

Of course, when I entered the race, half the field is now driving the Alfa....

The G70 is my go-car for the Gr. 4 class, in any daily race/event. Not a fan of the Alfa though. I don't how the professionals drive those things during racing and qualifying.

 

[bone_tone]

The G70 is my go-car for the Gr. 4 class, in any daily race/event. Not a fan of the Alfa though. I don't how the professionals drive those things during racing and qualifying.

They're both very stable, but the Alfa turns into corners much better - less understeer than the G70. Very fast at the start too, you can make up 6 places off the startline - annoys the Huracan drivers though when you do it! 😂

 

[newmedia_dev]

The Huracan's not completely out of it - 2nd race was won by a Huracan, Alfas in 2nd and 3rd. Next race won by an Alfa (by 10 seconds again), Huracans 2nd and 3rd.

An Alfa in about P15 on the global leaderboard now too.

Just tried the 155 and the GTR and can't improve at the mo over my Lambo time.

What I will say is the brakes on the Alfa are phenomenal although the interior and stick shift definitely feel very '90s 🤣

 

[DannyPorter]

They're both very stable, but the Alfa turns into corners much better - less understeer than the G70. Very fast at the start too, you can make up 6 places off the startline - annoys the Huracan drivers though when you do it! 😂

Yeah GT-R in GR.4 Huracan drivers get mad and ram in into walls trying to keep me behind on the starting stop

 

[NevilleNobody]

Just tried the 155 and the GTR and can't improve at the mo over my Lambo time.

What I will say is the brakes on the Alfa are phenomenal although the interior and stick shift definitely feel very '90s 🤣

As an Alfa owner for 30 years (Alfetta, 105 Giulia, Stelvio), the 155 race car has always been special.

 

[brockie]

After a small motivation dip, I'm back on GT7 and enjoying Race A. I also noticed more understeer after simply applying a new livery. Thanks to @brockie for the solution on this forum. But now I'm wondering... if applying a livery affects car performance, are there other ways to improve performance outside the Performance Points (PP) regulations?

Wasn’t quite my solution but yes the super knowledgeable folk in this forum did. Or Glen 😁

I don’t think there are other ways to improve them to be honest, the bop doesn’t allow you.

In other news (you guys are going to get sick of me)

… had another win today! Started 2nd and had a great race with this Dutch guy, I missed out on another race at lunch due to the update 🤨 and tried the 458 at interlagos and it drove quite nicely, not too bumpy

 

[bone_tone]

Just tried the 155 and the GTR and can't improve at the mo over my Lambo time.

What I will say is the brakes on the Alfa are phenomenal although the interior and stick shift definitely feel very '90s 🤣

As a bumper cam driver, I have no knowledge of the interior, just the car in front's rear bumper 🤣

 

[newmedia_dev]

As a bumper cam driver, I have no knowledge of the interior, just the car in front's rear bumper 🤣

I mean you don't actually know if you are driving a car, could be a really fast man running with a camera making brum brum noises 🤣

 

[brockie]

I’m happy to hear the Alfa is in the hunt, that was a nice drive recently at grand valley, maybe new and different metas to come, hopefully it brings us more of the gr4 cars to use iso just the lambo and g70

 

[newmedia_dev]

So have to be careful how I phrase this...

Just gone back and done some more Gr3 laps in the Lambo and the McLaren and I personally am warming to the braking change, it's has less fidelity in the control but the trade off is the initial bite is harder and the ABS is doing a lot more as you trail in giving the same feel as trail braking does but with a bit more agility.

Now the careful bit....

My driving style tends to fractionally over turn the car in to use the small understeer slip to alter the exit angle a fraction, previously this resulted in a slight vibration...

The new physics have this overly aggressive weighting that shakes my shaft to the point it's so audible it sounds and feels like all the bolts are coming out. It is rather unpleasant which historically shaft shaking hasn't been....

You can drive round this my not inducing understeer or locking the brakes with steering angle/load on and it's smoother but not ultimately faster.

Got within .2 of my best time in the 650 and feel I can beat it but that is very much more down to my ability and not getting close to the cars capability rather than physics or BoP changes.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I see what u did there.

 

[Barney Da Dog]

So have to be careful how I phrase this...

Just gone back and done some more Gr3 laps in the Lambo and the McLaren and I personally am warming to the braking change, it's has less fidelity in the control but the trade off is the initial bite is harder and the ABS is doing a lot more as you trail in giving the same feel as trail braking does but with a bit more agility.

Now the careful bit....

My driving style tends to fractionally over turn the car in to use the small understeer slip to alter the exit angle a fraction, previously this resulted in a slight vibration...

The new physics have this overly aggressive weighting that shakes my shaft to the point it's so audible it sounds and feels like all the bolts are coming out. It is rather unpleasant which historically shaft shaking hasn't been....

You can drive round this my not inducing understeer or locking the brakes with steering angle/load on and it's smoother but not ultimately faster.

Got within .2 of my best time in the 650 and feel I can beat it but that is very much more down to my ability and not getting close to the cars capability rather than physics or BoP changes.

I'm getting that horrendous buzz/rumble too if I turn tight and understeer on the last two right handers at Interlagos - I seem to be able to turn in and accelerate up the hill a bit better now, but I'm losing a bit in the middle sector now so my overall time remains similar.

The last time we had Gr3 here - on Hards I think? - I was much more competitive and able to battle with the youtubers, but this time round I'm starting near the back of most races. I also think we had 6 laps??

 

[newmedia_dev]

Yeah it was 6 laps and RH, I like you felt more competitive that time round. It was the same time (shameless plug) the Manu cup ran the same race longer



The shaft shaking thing is definitely pronounced at the infield for Interlagos, it's a lot less at DF and Gr4 but as they are on softs im tending not to need to over drive the turn ins and the track/curbs are smoother and not the saw tooth ones Interlagos has.

But overall I don't like it and I'm using the GT suggested settings.

I do appreciate my driving style does that little understeer flick so I might aggravate the issue or induce it more but TT habits die hard 🤣