GT7 & E3

[Smurfybug]

Ya I agree, there should maybe be another small Prologue type download for cheap so they can use it as a test bed of sorts to understand how well certain aspect of the game run, then tweak things to their (and our) liking and get that full game on the shelf ASAP!

PD REACTION- Eh, that's too much work.

 

[occasionalracer]

PD REACTION- Eh, that's too much work.

Nah, PD is ultra productive in my opinion..

 

[Tenacious D]

I think GT6: Full HD Super Ultra Edition isnt a good thing for GT series. It will kill thirst for GT7 IMO.

Ya I agree, there should maybe be another small Prologue type download for cheap so they can use it as a test bed of sorts to understand how well certain aspect of the game run, then tweak things to their (and our) liking and get that full game on the shelf ASAP!

I'd actually prefer a GT7 Prologue, but a vocal crowd here is decidedly against it. It would be a great idea, because we'd be able to experience certain features unadulterated, like the physics, any damage, weather and so on in next gen glory, and it would be easy to make. Even a larger one than GT5P could likely be done in two or three months. A download only I wouldn't want to see, because GT5 Prologue was 5GB. Make a Blu-Ray too.

However, I don't think a GT6 A-Spec would kill the thirst for GT7 as much as slack it some. The reason being that many features wouldn't be as full bore, which I'm sure would be the case if GT6 HD happened. Give GT6 a basic Course Maker, the full blown one we can recreate Red Rock Valley with in GT7. A basic Livery Editor in GT6, the one on par with the editor in Forza 6 comes in GT7. Many new cars and tracks held back for GT7, and so on. Of course with all things GT, we'll see.

You forgot the physics engine MUST run at much higher hertz.. at least 2-3x so that annoying tire shirping and obviously physical inaccuracy at max cornering finally ends!.. plus a general overhaul/extention of the mathematical formula will help people gain/re-gain respect for GT as The Real Driving Simulator. I know it's coming. 👍

I did forget mentioning refined physics, then again I got up way too early this morning. Keep in mind though that cars shirp around tight corners in real life because you're pushing them hard. However, physics could definitely use a face lift. Assetto Corsa has some very good physics, and P CARS is supposed to be pretty close. Supposedly Forza is up there as well, so Kaz and the team need to deliver in physics, A.I., and... well, all up and down the line.

 

[Smurfybug]

I'd actually prefer a GT7 Prologue, but a vocal crowd here is decidedly against it. It would be a great idea, because we'd be able to experience certain features unadulterated, like the physics, any damage, weather and so on in next gen glory, and it would be easy to make. Even a larger one than GT5P could likely be done in two or three months. A download only I wouldn't want to see, because GT5 Prologue was 5GB. Make a Blu-Ray too.

However, I don't think a GT6 A-Spec would kill the thirst for GT7 as much as slack it some. The reason being that many features wouldn't be as full bore, which I'm sure would be the case if GT6 HD happened. Give GT6 a basic Course Maker, the full blown one we can recreate Red Rock Valley with in GT7. A basic Livery Editor in GT6, the one on par with the editor in Forza 6 comes in GT7. Many new cars and tracks held back for GT7, and so on. Of course with all things GT, we'll see.


I did forget mentioning refined physics, then again I got up way too early this morning. Keep in mind though that cars shirp around tight corners in real life because you're pushing them hard. However, physics could definitely use a face lift. Assetto Corsa has some very good physics, and P CARS is supposed to be pretty close. Supposedly Forza is up there as well, so Kaz and the team need to deliver in physics, A.I., and... well, all up and down the line.

AKA: Get a new team.

 

[Zlork]

@Tenacious D , you should have lower expectations

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Otherwise, I don't want a GT7 Prologue. And even less a GT6 Remastered - please, no ! -

It's not complicated:

- GT6, latest updates
- GT7, GT Academy 2016 demo
- GT7

These are realistic expectations for us. And it's good for reputation of the saga

Attention GT7 at E3, I'll be the first to applaud.

But it would be a mistake, unless this game comes out in 2015. What I doubt....

If GT7 will release in 2016, it's best to announce it end of the year at TGS or PSX. Or a conference as they did with GT6.

Announce GT, several years in advance, it"s for me, a big mistake. Just see GT5 ....


And for those who are worried of the promo, just read forums. Project Cars or not, Forza or not, GT7 is highly anticipated

 

[RACECAR]

GT7 won't be at E3 and that's final, guys. Jordan and Amar's word are enough of a confirmation.

 

[Tornado]

GT7 won't be at E3 and that's final, guys. Jordan and Amar's word are enough of a confirmation.

But what about the seventh game in the Gran Turismo series?! Isn't that still in play?

 

[Smurfybug]

But what about the seventh game in the Gran Turismo series?! Isn't that still in play?

The questions hurt my brain!

 

[occasionalracer]

Even a larger one than GT5P could likely be done in two or three months. A download only I wouldn't want to see, because GT5 Prologue was 5GB. Make a Blu-Ray too.

Well they do have the assets. I just fear that if a Prologue as large or larger than GT5 was to be their plan, they'd have to press discs etc. market it.. it's just too much when really they shouldn't because like at @DingoDile said it could impact casual player sales in that they were 'happy enough' with the demo/prologue and move on. If we're honest a huge part of GT's success lies in 'must have' racing title BUT we are living in a time where the is an overload of gaming options and it's not like the 90s or even up to GT5's release.. there were never 10million GT5 buyers that were truely big car/racing enthusiasts.. just a must have title.. even saying 5mil would be a dramatic overstatement. It's just incredible success due to having the most complete real world content. I'm just sayin because GT6 didn't sell that great (if we ever get a revised sales figure we'd know for sure where it stands), but it's due to people being satisfied with having owned GT5 and didn't see the reason to upgrade since they're not THAT hardcore into racing anyway. So ya, I'm trying to say perhaps a Prologue release could kill off some real sales for GT7.. plus there's always GT8 for the ultimate they can do on the PS4..

I did forget mentioning refined physics, then again I got up way too early this morning. Keep in mind though that cars shirp around tight corners in real life because you're pushing them hard. However, physics could definitely use a face lift. Assetto Corsa has some very good physics, and P CARS is supposed to be pretty close. Supposedly Forza is up there as well, so Kaz and the team need to deliver in physics, A.I., and... well, all up and down the line.

I don't know, that's some heavy synthetic on/off chirping.. never heard that in RL or any motorsport vids/brodcasts. Could also be that the sound engine isn't keeping up, but that's likely working hand in hand with the physics at the proccessing limit and is thus hampered.

 

[Tenacious D]

AKA: Get a new team.

You wish.

I just checked Amazon's Top 100 PS3 games an hour ago. There were three racing games on the list, and they were all Gran Turismos - two of them were GT5. #23 was GT6, 65 and 85 were GT5XL and GT5 respectively, go figure.

All other Playstation racers, in fact, all other racers period, are essentially flashes in pans in comparison. Even with supposedly superior games like GRID A., gamers want GT. You could argue that it's pure reputation that has all these people going for it over other racing games, but reputation only carries you so far. And it has been mentioned more than once that what vexes the purists to no end like Standard cars and poor sounds are mere mentions to gaming journalists, and fans don't really mind. We just want to race. And I'm about to.

As for the fate of Gran Turismo and any reveals this year, we shall just have to let time pass.

 

[Smurfybug]

You wish.

I just checked Amazon's Top 100 PS3 games an hour ago. There were three racing games on the list, and they were all Gran Turismos - two of them were GT5. #23 was GT6, 65 and 85 were GT5XL and GT5 respectively, go figure.

All other Playstation racers, in fact, all other racers period, are essentially flashes in pans in comparison. Even with supposedly superior games like GRID A., gamers want GT. You could argue that it's pure reputation that has all these people going for it over other racing games, but reputation only carries you so far. And it has been mentioned more than once that what vexes the purists to no end like Standard cars and poor sounds are mere mentions to gaming journalists, and fans don't really mind. We just want to race. And I'm about to.

As for the fate of Gran Turismo and any reveals this year, we shall just have to let time pass.

I have XL Edition and 6 Anniversary Edition. 420Blazeit boy

 

[Tornado]

That's actually a pretty good argument to show how important name recognition is rather than anything to the contrary.

 

[Johnnypenso]

You wish.

I just checked Amazon's Top 100 PS3 games an hour ago. There were three racing games on the list, and they were all Gran Turismos - two of them were GT5. #23 was GT6, 65 and 85 were GT5XL and GT5 respectively, go figure.

All other Playstation racers, in fact, all other racers period, are essentially flashes in pans in comparison. Even with supposedly superior games like GRID A., gamers want GT. You could argue that it's pure reputation that has all these people going for it over other racing games, but reputation only carries you so far. And it has been mentioned more than once that what vexes the purists to no end like Standard cars and poor sounds are mere mentions to gaming journalists, and fans don't really mind. We just want to race. And I'm about to.

As for the fate of Gran Turismo and any reveals this year, we shall just have to let time pass.

If GT is so dominating in sales why bring up AC and PCars at all then? If all other racers are flashes in the pan, why would PD be concerned in the least about AC, a game not even on the same platform, and PCars, a veritable pimple on an elephants arse?

 

[occasionalracer]

If GT is so dominating in sales why bring up AC and PCars at all then? If all other racers are flashes in the pan, why would PD be concerned in the least about AC, a game not even on the same platform, and PCars, a veritable pimple on an elephants arse?

Probably because they are in the same catagory, with the side fact that both have been released after GT6 if I may remind. It's like you thinking GT could never outclass PCars in every aspect when it rolls out.

 

[Tenacious D]

If GT is so dominating in sales why bring up AC and PCars at all then? If all other racers are flashes in the pan, why would PD be concerned in the least about AC, a game not even on the same platform, and PCars, a veritable pimple on an elephants arse?

I'm sure you could answer your own question, but I will. Prestige, my good man, prestige.

Why did other racers spend inordinate amounts of effort to make their racers look as good as possible, such as Turn 10 hiring a Hollywood graphics studio to help with the graphics engine for Forza 4? Why did AC, rFactor and P CARS try to look so photoreal? Because Polyphony set the bar so incredibly high in Gran Turismo. So now, every game wants to have the best of everything for the sake of that coveted cred. And given the level of technology today making it possible given enough time, I'm all for it.

I'm sure you're looking forward to Dan Greenawalt declaring so humbly that Forza 6 is going to set the standard for all racers to follow. Happens every release. But hopefully, this Forza won't be so shortsheeted and money hungry, and if so, it could.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'm sure you could answer your own question, but I will. Prestige, my good man, prestige.

Why did other racers spend inordinate amounts of effort to make their racers look as good as possible, such as Turn 10 hiring a Hollywood graphics studio to help with the graphics engine for Forza 4? Why did AC, rFactor and P CARS try to look so photoreal? Because Polyphony set the bar so incredibly high in Gran Turismo. So now, every game wants to have the best of everything for the sake of that coveted cred. And given the level of technology today making it possible given enough time, I'm all for it.

I'm sure you're looking forward to Dan Greenawalt declaring so humbly that Forza 6 is going to set the standard for all racers to follow. Happens every release. But hopefully, this Forza won't be so shortsheeted and money hungry, and if so, it could.

Games tending towards photoreal has nothing to do with GT, and everything to do with hardware and software advancement. All games are heading in that direction. To give credit to PD for making other games improve their graphics is laughable.

Still doesn't answer the question though. In one post you basically say, "all other Playstation racers, in fact, all other racers period, are essentially flashes in pans in comparison", and in an earlier post you say that PD must, "serve notice in the age of Assetto Corsa, P CARS and Forza 6 that they're contenders." Contenders for what? According to you PD/GT is king and every other game is essentially a serf. Kings don't worry about serfs do they? So again I ask, if other racers are flashes in the pan relative to PD/GT, why would they even take notice of what other games are doing? Why would fans care one bit what other games are doing if GT is the massively dominant game you suggest it is? Why would they take into account what other loser games are doing? Why would they want to duplicate anything from games that they are destroying? Why would Kaz not just do what he's always done, his own thing, competition be damned?

Probably because they are in the same catagory, with the side fact that both have been released after GT6 if I may remind. It's like you thinking GT could never outclass PCars in every aspect when it rolls out.

Are you a mind reader? If not, copy and paste where I said anything resembling a blanket statement like that.

 

[occasionalracer]

Are you a mind reader? If not, copy and paste where I said anything resembling a blanket statement like that.

Yes, you say things through the grapevine often enough that it's the equivelant of that. And at the same time, it seems as if you're taking credit for what the team at Slightly Mad has done (and still has to do) which is kind of getting a bit old. I don't get how one can be such a fan of one game that's just released, then spend so much time nitpicking and frequently poking fun at GT/PD 'flaws' when the GT we have today is built on something that started in 2006 with GT:HD effectively, first and formost a graphical masterpiece that had to be fun to play, but most obviously the game build has also been a bit of a pitfall for adding stuff along the way, especially stuff that needs RAM.

They have done a very professional job for what it is and it's absolutely loaded with content, I really don't understand how so many people can be making fun of "Kaz's Vision" and PD being slow and incompetent, or knocking them for the moon mission (your favorite) which I find to be something really cool because it's something so abstact.. nothing is appreciated these days anymore and everybody is such a smart and know it all person.

For me it's just been a wait and see what they will do on a clean slate since before GT6's release, maybe I'm patient, but there is no point thinking the whole core of the game will change and be a contender in the ways many want for PCars and AC, so actually repetitively comparing the two/three is really absurd. GT is so well made and we are spoiled to have something so comprehensive on a console. And with all the additional affilation in auto motor sport industry they have aquired through PS3's lifespan it's hard to imagine that 'Kaz's vision' is not one of absolute perfection. Either you underestimate PD and the data they've collecting for the last couple years which will be applied to better the game (no proof here, no links, just common sense) OR you just like having an awful good time finding other people's faults.

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

This community has the ability to turn anything into an argument.

The topic of the thread is, and I quote, "What kind of showing do you expect there will be at E3 this year for Gran Turismo 7?" Not "Let's nitpick and argue about GT some more." FFS.

 

[gtracedriver1]

Well, SONY does. As I mentioned, they need to serve notice in the age of Assetto Corsa, P CARS and Forza 6 that they're contenders.

A super GT6 on PS4 would be better than a Prologue, and give us a little taste of what GT7 could offer, if some of those goody features made for it are patched in. Just imagine graphics without bad shadows, and HDR lighting which wasn't out of whack.

Some new cars and tracks, better sound and graphics would just be the start. Better/more weather effects and time of day transitions, maybe on all tracks. Even simplified, a basic damage implementation, a Course Maker, Event Maker, Race Mod, Livery Editor, updated bot A.I., improved Online Mode... any of these would be possible. A revamped GT Mode with a "career" more like GT4's? Who wouldn't want that? I'd sure get a PS4 and a wheel for this.

That is really great idea. if they have something really big for GT7 which probably will take them more years. It is better to release a improved GT6 with improved sounds, damage, bigger career mode, AI, obviously good looking and having option to select time of day, weather on all tracks etc ..

GT6 will get some more content but a substantial update is probably not on cards I am afraid.

 

[gt3_racer05]

I hope that PD is gonna be at show and is gonna release information about GT7, along with a short demo. I've been waiting for GT7 news for a while now, and cannot wait any longer

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yes, you say things through the grapevine often enough that it's the equivelant of that. And at the same time, it seems as if you're taking credit for what the team at Slightly Mad has done (and still has to do) which is kind of getting a bit old. I don't get how one can be such a fan of one game that's just released, then spend so much time nitpicking and frequently poking fun at GT/PD 'flaws' when the GT we have today is built on something that started in 2006 with GT:HD effectively, first and formost a graphical masterpiece that had to be fun to play, but most obviously the game build has also been a bit of a pitfall for adding stuff along the way, especially stuff that needs RAM.

They have done a very professional job for what it is and it's absolutely loaded with content, I really don't understand how so many people can be making fun of "Kaz's Vision" and PD being slow and incompetent, or knocking them for the moon mission (your favorite) which I find to be something really cool because it's something so abstact.. nothing is appreciated these days anymore and everybody is such a smart and know it all person.

For me it's just been a wait and see what they will do on a clean slate since before GT6's release, maybe I'm patient, but there is no point thinking the whole core of the game will change and be a contender in the ways many want for PCars and AC, so actually repetitively comparing the two/three is really absurd. GT is so well made and we are spoiled to have something so comprehensive on a console. And with all the additional affilation in auto motor sport industry they have aquired through PS3's lifespan it's hard to imagine that 'Kaz's vision' is not one of absolute perfection. Either you underestimate PD and the data they've collecting for the last couple years which will be applied to better the game (no proof here, no links, just common sense) OR you just like having an awful good time finding other people's faults.

What grapevine is this? Do you have any quotes or are you just pulling things out of thin air? Still waiting for statements where I said anything like this:

thinking GT could never outclass PCars in every aspect when it rolls out.

 

[MarchingSaint]

Not completely relevant to the topic:
I heard that Sony is working on a new gaming system, now i'm not nuts enough to say "PS5 IS COMEING111!!!" But maybe is something related ( like GT for psp) or maybe i'mjust wrong and they're just working on a PS4 slim who knows.

 

[R5]

Not completely relevant to the topic:
I heard that Sony is working on a new gaming system, now i'm not nuts enough to say "PS5 IS COMEING111!!!" But maybe is something related ( like GT for psp) or maybe i'mjust wrong and they're just working on a PS4 slim who knows.

Could that not be their VR headset you're hearing about?

 

[MarchingSaint]

Could that not be their VR headset you're hearing about?

Seems unreasonable, they've got Project Morpheus for that
edit: maybe they're just making concepts on a future PS5, not rocket science but just gathering ideas.

 

[R5]

Seems unreasonable, they've got Project Morpheus for that
edit: maybe they're just making concepts on a future PS5, not rocket science but just gathering ideas.

No I mean Project Morpheus being the new gaming system you're hearing about, it's that, a variation of the PS4 or something to do with the Vita.

Or another Gaming Phone

 

[occasionalracer]

What grapevine is this? Do you have any quotes or are you just pulling things out of thin air?

The never-ending statements that PCars crushes GT in every way grapevine.

Still waiting for statements where I said anything like this:

The fact that you have made so many sly remarks about GT's faults with these > beside it.. and in my opinion it becomes simply disrespectful after a while. Again, in my opinion, all GT7 needs to be in straight PCars contention are two major things:

- Improved Physics
- Proper racing rules/flags
(- AI I guess for those who enjoy racing against a calculator)

Is this so out of this world to believe PD can achieve that very well? (I'm not worried and look forward to everything else on top of it which makes GT the great game it has been)

Back to E3 related disscussion though..

 

[Johnnypenso]

The never-ending statements that PCars crushes GT in every way grapevine.

Again, show me where I've said anything beyond comparing specific elements of each game. If it's so prevelant, show me where I've made an all encompassing statement about the entirety of each game. If you can't back it up just say so.

The fact that you have made so many sly remarks about GT's faults with these > beside it.. and in my opinion it becomes simply disrespectful after a while. Again, in my opinion, all GT7 needs to be in straight PCars contention are two major things:
- Improved Physics
- Proper racing rules/flags
(- AI I guess for those who enjoy racing against a calculator)

Is this so out of this world to believe PD can achieve that very well? (I'm not worried and look forward to everything else on top of it which makes GT the great game it has been)

Back to E3 related disscussion though..

This shows me that you haven't read or at least understood, much of what I've said. I've made it clear on many occasions that I don't think the games are even competing with each other in the marketplace, because they aren't. GT is after everyone, PCars is only after the tiny slice of the market that is the sim racer, on console and PC. The things that PCars does well only appeal to a small minority of people who play racing games. The things that GT does well appeals to many more. That doesn't stop me or many other people, from comparing the things that both games do that are similar. The are both made for racing, both have cars, both have physics, both have sounds etc. These are fair comparisons IMO. I don't compare graphics because it's two different generations and I've consistently praised PD's graphics as the best on the PS system overall.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Get the feeling that GT6 is to be resuscitated in the coming months going by amar212 comments from a few days ago so optimism for GT7 info lessens. Hopefully get at least a teaser trailer this year.

 

[Shimazu]

Damn i hate those Pcars groupies ...

 

[RACECAR]

I hate the damn arguing that keeps ensuing.