GT7 & PSVR2
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We'll see, but I am very surprised they weren't shouting this from the high heavens, IF it's full-blown parity with GT7, Sport Mode and all.
The waiting game for now...
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- js427
For those who have suffered with motion sickness in VR, it's by no means uncommon to experience, but for many people, small repeated sessions will help you build up your 'VR legs' and you can overcome it.
The key is to stop the moment it starts to feel off and take a break, trying to push through it makes it worse and sets you back. With repeated exposure you should find you can go longer before the sickness feeling comes in, or equally you can tolerate more movement in game without it triggering you.
It isn't an option in all games, but if there is a 'lock to horizon' option in Assetto Corsa for example, that is both far more immersive and far easier to tolerate. It's very hard to describe, but it means when suddenly going up hill say (which would trigger a bit of a 'bleurgh' feeling for me even after weeks of playing), with that lock to horizon on the car sort of rotates up around you (instead of your viewpoint being forced upwards fixed to the car), and then your brain naturally compensates and follows the movement.
It means that your brain stays more naturally 'in control' of its viewpoint and orientation, and so stops it triggering the "oh crap, we've been poisoned, feel sick" response that happens when it feels that its getting conflicting information from its senses.
The key is to stop the moment it starts to feel off and take a break, trying to push through it makes it worse and sets you back. With repeated exposure you should find you can go longer before the sickness feeling comes in, or equally you can tolerate more movement in game without it triggering you.
It isn't an option in all games, but if there is a 'lock to horizon' option in Assetto Corsa for example, that is both far more immersive and far easier to tolerate. It's very hard to describe, but it means when suddenly going up hill say (which would trigger a bit of a 'bleurgh' feeling for me even after weeks of playing), with that lock to horizon on the car sort of rotates up around you (instead of your viewpoint being forced upwards fixed to the car), and then your brain naturally compensates and follows the movement.
It means that your brain stays more naturally 'in control' of its viewpoint and orientation, and so stops it triggering the "oh crap, we've been poisoned, feel sick" response that happens when it feels that its getting conflicting information from its senses.
Monkdapunk
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Sony should allow 3rd party VR hardware for those that can afford a better headset.
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- Cactass
The USB-A port on the front of the PS5 is only USB-2 (480Mb/s) and cannot be used for USB storage. External Storage needs to be a USB-3 drive, connected to either of the rear USB-A ports, or the front USB-C port, and, cannot be connected to the PS5 through a hub of any speed rating.
The rear USB-A x 2 and the front USB-C are all 10Gb/s only, according to the official PS5 website.
Official PS5 Hardware Guide
The rear USB-A x 2 and the front USB-C are all 10Gb/s only, according to the official PS5 website.
Official PS5 Hardware Guide
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That's something that'll never happen in the console space and kinda defeats the one benefit of owning a console.
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Any chance the haptic details being used on the vr headset will also applied/updated to the wheels?
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I'm not sure what you mean. The wheel will receive it's own signals from the game that will driven it's force feedback. I don't think the headset will have any bearing on the wheel, no different a handheld controller.
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- otakunorth
I pre-orderd the PSVR2 but if we don't get full game confirmation before the ship date I will cancel. M
exactly the same boat for me. I can understand if it's too much stress to run the full game in VR in high fidelity, but I'm hoping there is an option to limit the graphics so you can still do online races (or that it just supports the full game from the get-go)
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TL;DR - Multiplayer is less taxing than single player.
I think there is a generalized misconception out there that online races are more demanding on the console than single player races. In reality, an online race is less taxing on your system. While racing online, your console is only calculating the physics for your car whereas in single player your console is calculating the physics for your car as well as all of your opponents in addition to crunching the numbers of the AI algorithm.
Note that this only affects CPU load. Online races will use less CPU than single player races. Graphically it's about the same between the two modes because the same visuals are being rendered. Even if PD is using drastically simplified physics for AI cars, single player races will always be more demanding on the CPU than online races, provided the netcode is efficient and players have good bandwidth and solid connections (which is why dedicated servers like Sport Mode and those used in ACC are far superior to random P2P lobbies).
Online competition with large numbers of players generally reaches a bottleneck in the bandwidth and data transfer between players, not CPU or GPU processing power.
This is why I could participate in online ACC races with 50+ cars using my Rift S without a problem, but an AI race with 30 cars would be a 5fps slideshow with same graphics settings.
There is also a neat trick to reduce graphic load on the GPU which is very helpful for VR vs. pancake mode: reduce the number of cars visible at one time. This is a must for being able to race in VR with large numbers of opponents. We know nothing about GT7 in VR yet so it will be interesting to see which way PD goes to optimize the VR experience: lower graphics, all cars visible - higher graphics, not all cars visible - OR some kind of combination of that.
Perhaps the gradual reduction of Sport Mode grids from 24, to 20 and now to 16 cars was to make it easier to implement VR online as well as single player? Pure speculation, of course, but rendering 12 or 16 cars in VR (whether humans online or AI cars) requires magnitudes less power than rendering 20 or 24.
So if PS5 can handle single player races in VR there is no reason why it couldn't handle it online as well. The defining factor will likely be the number of cars that the PSVR2 mode can handle and how picky PD gets with their commitment to quality visuals. I don't see any technical reason why the whole game cannot be playable in VR beyond "PD being PD".
I think there is a generalized misconception out there that online races are more demanding on the console than single player races. In reality, an online race is less taxing on your system. While racing online, your console is only calculating the physics for your car whereas in single player your console is calculating the physics for your car as well as all of your opponents in addition to crunching the numbers of the AI algorithm.
Note that this only affects CPU load. Online races will use less CPU than single player races. Graphically it's about the same between the two modes because the same visuals are being rendered. Even if PD is using drastically simplified physics for AI cars, single player races will always be more demanding on the CPU than online races, provided the netcode is efficient and players have good bandwidth and solid connections (which is why dedicated servers like Sport Mode and those used in ACC are far superior to random P2P lobbies).
Online competition with large numbers of players generally reaches a bottleneck in the bandwidth and data transfer between players, not CPU or GPU processing power.
This is why I could participate in online ACC races with 50+ cars using my Rift S without a problem, but an AI race with 30 cars would be a 5fps slideshow with same graphics settings.
There is also a neat trick to reduce graphic load on the GPU which is very helpful for VR vs. pancake mode: reduce the number of cars visible at one time. This is a must for being able to race in VR with large numbers of opponents. We know nothing about GT7 in VR yet so it will be interesting to see which way PD goes to optimize the VR experience: lower graphics, all cars visible - higher graphics, not all cars visible - OR some kind of combination of that.
Perhaps the gradual reduction of Sport Mode grids from 24, to 20 and now to 16 cars was to make it easier to implement VR online as well as single player? Pure speculation, of course, but rendering 12 or 16 cars in VR (whether humans online or AI cars) requires magnitudes less power than rendering 20 or 24.
So if PS5 can handle single player races in VR there is no reason why it couldn't handle it online as well. The defining factor will likely be the number of cars that the PSVR2 mode can handle and how picky PD gets with their commitment to quality visuals. I don't see any technical reason why the whole game cannot be playable in VR beyond "PD being PD".
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The motion sickness goes after a while, the trick is to build up slowly. Small sessions of only a few minutes then take a break, then slowly increasing the sessions but make sure you take regular breaks that are longer than the vr sessions.
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- DivitLad
Soon as i feel a slight queeziness in my stomach I take a break, doesn't happen often.
I actually didn't know I was at all interested in PSVR2 before this announcement. Now it is preordered. Full implemention FTW obviously, but actually just thinking about sitting inside all of the cars in showroom, seeing all the details in real 3D around me with OLED panels and that resolution... That is already worth something for an old school car enthusiast like me.
If somehow, even with 3rd party software, there would be tolerable PC compatibility, that would make this admittedly somewhat expensive headset an actual bargain!
If somehow, even with 3rd party software, there would be tolerable PC compatibility, that would make this admittedly somewhat expensive headset an actual bargain!
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My 2 cents on full implementation of VR2 on GT7.
The fact that it wasn’t accounced how much of the game is playable is a bad omen. If it was fully playable, surely that would have been announced allready.
My thoughts on the matter: currently, not all of the game is playable in VR yet. Potentially that’s the goal but that goal is still being worked on.
With this having a deadline of the PSVR release date, PD may only release parts of the game then and add further intergration at a later date.. done at PD’s pace.
Like everyone, I hope it’s the full game that’s getting upgraded and if so, I will be buying the PSVR2 very quickly.
I really enjoyed Dirt Rally in VR and the demo for Gt Sport was pretty neat. I can’t wait to play a proper racing game in full and in full VR. (Using a wheel, nothing better)
The fact that it wasn’t accounced how much of the game is playable is a bad omen. If it was fully playable, surely that would have been announced allready.
My thoughts on the matter: currently, not all of the game is playable in VR yet. Potentially that’s the goal but that goal is still being worked on.
With this having a deadline of the PSVR release date, PD may only release parts of the game then and add further intergration at a later date.. done at PD’s pace.
Like everyone, I hope it’s the full game that’s getting upgraded and if so, I will be buying the PSVR2 very quickly.
I really enjoyed Dirt Rally in VR and the demo for Gt Sport was pretty neat. I can’t wait to play a proper racing game in full and in full VR. (Using a wheel, nothing better)
I pre-ordered psvr2 after the announcement, in the hope it will be at least integrated fully into single player, though it is interesting to read the more knowledgeable people here explain why online is actually less taxing on the hardware. If it turns out to be a GT Sport style VR demo, I will be cancelling it.
I'm pessimistic about it personally. I think PD's past behaviour would tend to suggest that if it was full integration, then they would have had an announcement ready to go immediately. The silence tends to mean bad things but hoping to be proved wrong.
I'm pessimistic about it personally. I think PD's past behaviour would tend to suggest that if it was full integration, then they would have had an announcement ready to go immediately. The silence tends to mean bad things but hoping to be proved wrong.
To be honest, I am not really expecting full multiplayer implemention. GT7 doesn't even allow using H pattern shifter in Sport Mode, and I would consider VR to be more of a change in balance than that. Also, there are still cars that don't even have cockpit view, right? On top of that, even if multiplayer might not be more taxing than single player in general, the task of assuring the necessary frame rate in dynamic weather and a full grid of player cars is practically impossible when there is very little performance headroom with the system.
Realistically, all offline content with the exception of cars that might never get a cockpit view is what I assume for VR.
Realistically, all offline content with the exception of cars that might never get a cockpit view is what I assume for VR.
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most likely won’t be full implementation. At least not for sport mode. Heck we haven’t really seen dynamic time or weather in sport mode.
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I assume its full implementation. Because they said GT7 is coming to the PSVR2 with free update, it would be false advertising if its just some cut off stuff. There also is zero reasons not to bring full game if you think about hardware, this is game that runs 60fps in PS4.
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